EPTTeams aren't wrong to want to limit how much they pay their players. But this amounts to actively deceiving players in order to do so. It's a little late to condemn them now that the scene is where it is, but this friggin sucks, and makes me doubt much of the time and effort I've put into supporting Korean SC2.
Korean SC2 Salary Cap Collusion Revealed - Page 8
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United States2159 Posts
Teams aren't wrong to want to limit how much they pay their players. But this amounts to actively deceiving players in order to do so. It's a little late to condemn them now that the scene is where it is, but this friggin sucks, and makes me doubt much of the time and effort I've put into supporting Korean SC2. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
You know without a team a player gets 0$ salary. That's even lower than 60k which is apparently so terribly low. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
To those saying $60k is comfortable, compared to what? Homelessness? These players sacrificed everything - school, friends, opportunities alter in life - in exchange for a brief career in eSports, and they deserve to get every last penny the market bears. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
On November 24 2016 21:32 tskarzyn wrote: Good lord, we have a bunch of marxists on TL. Teams colluding to avoid paying top talent what the market says they are worth is a disgrace. If they want to cap team salaries, they can certainly do that. You see team caps in almost every American sport. What they've done is far worse. To those saying $60k is comfortable, compared to what? Homelessness? These players sacrificed everything - school, friends, opportunities alter in life - in exchange for a brief career in eSports, and they deserve to get every last penny the market bears. looks like the market broke | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
You're right, there will always be bad actors that cheat the system. I'm not sure if they have class action lawsuits in Korea, but the situation probably calls for one if the accusations have merit. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On November 24 2016 21:32 tskarzyn wrote: Good lord, we have a bunch of marxists on TL. Teams colluding to avoid paying top talent what the market says they are worth is a disgrace. If they want to cap team salaries, they can certainly do that. You see team caps in almost every American sport. What they've done is far worse. if they had capped the salary for the entire team this would have happened at the cost of all players. How they've done it it's only at the cost of the players who already earn a lot of money On November 24 2016 21:32 tskarzyn wrote: To those saying $60k is comfortable, compared to what? Homelessness? These players sacrificed everything - school, friends, opportunities alter in life - in exchange for a brief career in eSports, and they deserve to get every last penny the market bears. why are you so worried about the top earners who make $60k a year but not about the lower level players who make far less money? for them all those problems apply too. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 23 2016 22:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: This is pure speculation. It's possible that without the salary cap top players wouldn't be throwing matches (life) and/or would still be active (Bisu, Flash) and thus drive interest. It's also possible that the closing of Proleague was a political game between Kespa and Blizzard. If Kespa wanted to do a salary cap all they needed to do is allow for a player union and set up an actual conversation the way it is done in the NBA. I would advise being very careful of making the mistake of agreeing to a salary cap (which I agree with as well) for okaying it to be done behind closed doors. One problem. This isn't the NBA and who's going to revolt? Salary cap systems are used for good reason. Also, you were asking BW players to learn an entirely new game. Based off what some players were making to other BW players I don't have as much a problem with it. I would allow players to have bonus incentives and be allowed to keep all their tournament earnings. WCS turned to shit and this whole region lock business took the biz in Korea to a nose dive. It is what it is. Games these days have very little shelf life and Blizzard is just realizing hey maybe micro transactions to milk what's left of this community. It's kind of pathetic. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On November 24 2016 22:42 Charoisaur wrote: if they had capped the salary for the entire team this would have happened at the cost of all players. How they've done it it's only at the cost of the players who already earn a lot of money why are you so worried about the top earners who make $60k a year but not about the lower level players who make far less money? for them all those problems apply too. It is the collusion that bothers me. If teams broadcast that they only have X amount to spend and have to field smaller teams to afford a Flash or a Maru, I'm fine with that. We have no idea what the market would bear, which teams would survive, and where team caps would settle if teams colluded to reduce the pay of top players. Just look at what happened in American sports when players unionized. Owners said they would go broke if players were allowed to negotiate salaries with multiple teams, but owners found a way to continue making money as player salaries increased by 10-100x over the last 50 years. What we do know is that the Korean SC2 scene is all but dead. If there was more upside for the most talented players and team owners were forced to find better ways to monetize tournaments, the scene might be in a much better place. | ||
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
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