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Afreeca SC2 team disbands - Page 3

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sa1Ko
Profile Joined July 2015
Argentina99 Posts
November 21 2016 15:41 GMT
#41
I would expect massive retirements , but this is not happening . That´s a positive side.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2648 Posts
November 21 2016 15:56 GMT
#42
I find it funny how many people talk about BW.

Even now SC2 is way bigger than BW ever was.

Blizzard does needs to make SC2 global, the only way KR players can survive is by giving them more chances todo play.

KR teams will not come back but player will be capable of staying.
sh1RoKen
Profile Joined March 2012
Russian Federation93 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-21 16:38:08
November 21 2016 16:23 GMT
#43
How to fuck up one of the most potentially successful competitive game ever in 10 easy steps:

1. Become a senior game designer of the game.
2. Don't realize that you are not in a year 1998 and you have to compete with MOBAs for your potential player base.
3. Don't realize that 97% of your potential player base are casual players which will be playing in Silver league or below.
4. Make the game in such a way that 97% of your potential player base feels miserable playing the game and it is literally feels like working on a job for them.
5. Make the game in such a way that 97% of your potential player base spends 97% of their game time fighting with extremely boring and extremely hard PvE mechanics without any direct contact with their opponent.
6. Add a couple instant lose mechanics that punishes 97% of your potential player base for less than 1 second of inattention. Make this mechanics as frustrating as possible.
7. Don't realize the obvious correlation between the Player base -> Viewer base -> Sponsorship base -> Money investment for Esports events -> ProPlayer base -> Being a competitive sport.
8. Admit that you have completed Step 7:
Our main goal for StarCraft 2 is to create the best game of its type that it can ever be, and not necessarily selling more copies of the game or increasing the playerbase. © David Kim

Source:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/20749787793

9. By completing Step 8 ruin a professional gaming carrier for every pro player in a country which had your franchise being more popular than any other sport including football.
10. Stay calm like nothing happened.
Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
November 21 2016 16:37 GMT
#44
On November 22 2016 00:56 Lexender wrote:

Even now SC2 is way bigger than BW ever was.


Uhh... if you're referring to your particular country or whatever, sure.

Overall? Not even close. Sorry bud.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
November 21 2016 16:59 GMT
#45
On November 21 2016 22:53 RoomOfMush wrote:
So at which point will it become acceptable to talk about "daed gaeme" without getting banned?
But seriously, this was a long slow process but we knew it for quite some time. We didnt want it to be true but we could feel it in our bones.
It just makes me sad to think about all the things SC2 could have been and then having to see what it actually became.

I don't think SC2 could have become anything more than it did at its peak around 2012-2014. It singlehandedly pushed eSports into mainstream attention, and eventually got overtaken by the more team-oriented and more accessible MOBA games. If 2016 turns out to be the final year SC2 still had somewhat good content I will have been glad to have been part of this for the past six years. I'll miss it but it's been a great ride. Considering the current state of the gaming industry it is a small miracle the game managed to stick around for as long as it did I think.
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
November 21 2016 17:00 GMT
#46
On November 22 2016 01:37 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 00:56 Lexender wrote:

Even now SC2 is way bigger than BW ever was.


Uhh... if you're referring to your particular country or whatever, sure.

Overall? Not even close. Sorry bud.

What are you sorry for, bud?

What's the state of non-Korean scene in BW?
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True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3424 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-21 17:03:25
November 21 2016 17:02 GMT
#47
On November 22 2016 02:00 aQuaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 01:37 207aicila wrote:
On November 22 2016 00:56 Lexender wrote:

Even now SC2 is way bigger than BW ever was.


Uhh... if you're referring to your particular country or whatever, sure.

Overall? Not even close. Sorry bud.

What are you sorry for, bud?

What's the state of non-Korean scene in BW?


In terms of overall numbers SC2 is crushing BW. A fuckload of people still play this game.

BW is doing approx. twice as good as SC2 in Korea (at least when it comes to popularity in PC bangs) - pretty much only in Korea; It's still peanuts compared to popular games.

I love BW and have enjoyed its Korean resurgence very much, but there's no point in making it bigger than it really is.
tokinho
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States792 Posts
November 21 2016 17:13 GMT
#48
Good luck to all the afreeca players. Curious, patience, symbol, alive, bomber have all been strong for soo long.
Smile
[16thSq] Kuro
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1214 Posts
November 21 2016 17:17 GMT
#49
On November 22 2016 00:41 sa1Ko wrote:
I would expect massive retirements , but this is not happening . That´s a positive side.

Let's hope it stays that way but many are probably waiting with the decision for the WCS news.
|| All my links: bento.me/16thsquadsanseki || Co-founder of CranKy Ducklings || SC2 Info Fairy ||
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
November 21 2016 17:17 GMT
#50
It was only a matter of time
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
November 21 2016 17:20 GMT
#51
On November 22 2016 02:00 aQuaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 01:37 207aicila wrote:
On November 22 2016 00:56 Lexender wrote:

Even now SC2 is way bigger than BW ever was.


Uhh... if you're referring to your particular country or whatever, sure.

Overall? Not even close. Sorry bud.

What are you sorry for, bud?

What's the state of non-Korean scene in BW?


The magnitude of SC2's foreign esport scene is about 25% that of Korea SC2 in terms of competition, production, and viewership.

Even at the last 2 years of BW broadcasting, BW viewership is still so much better than SC2's peak.

Its not even questionable.
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
November 21 2016 17:40 GMT
#52
On November 22 2016 02:00 aQuaSC wrote:

What's the state of non-Korean scene in BW?


Who cares? Not us, the actual fans. What you're putting on the table is a non-argument.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
TL+ Member
Skytale1i
Profile Joined January 2016
31 Posts
November 21 2016 17:40 GMT
#53
Blizzard needs to make the game free or ridiculously cheap and you can pay for more content or skins or whatever the hell they want to add. You can't compete with the other games if you don't do this.
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-21 17:49:15
November 21 2016 17:45 GMT
#54
On November 22 2016 02:40 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 02:00 aQuaSC wrote:

What's the state of non-Korean scene in BW?


Who cares? Not us, the actual fans. What you're putting on the table is a non-argument.

Where the hell did you see an argument here? That was a question on the state of non-Korean scene in Brood War, if you're saying that SC2 is not even close to BW popularity even now then you have to have some source on that, don't you?

That was a legitimate question, asked because I'm curious, to me BW never was that internationally popular, it was mostly enclosed in Korea. There BW was bigger at it's peak than SC2 of course, but I don't think it was the case for outside of it
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-IAEVAI-KolosS
Profile Joined October 2016
Canada60 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-21 18:00:09
November 21 2016 17:59 GMT
#55
[/QUOTE]
BW is doing approx. twice as good as SC2 in Korea (at least when it comes to popularity in PC bangs) - pretty much only in Korea; It's still peanuts compared to popular games.
[/QUOTE]

Just my two cents, but statement like these where people say "Twice as much" or throw random percentages in the air like "Broodwar's popularity is 25% less than ..." means ABSOLUTELY nothing without any sources because they are stated as facts. If you were to formulate the argument like this instead: "I feel like it must be twice as ... " then it indicates a personnal feeling and not and studied fact.
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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
November 21 2016 18:01 GMT
#56
On November 22 2016 02:45 aQuaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 02:40 207aicila wrote:
On November 22 2016 02:00 aQuaSC wrote:

What's the state of non-Korean scene in BW?


Who cares? Not us, the actual fans. What you're putting on the table is a non-argument.

Where the hell did you see an argument here? That was a question on the state of non-Korean scene in Brood War, if you're saying that SC2 is not even close to BW popularity even now then you have to have some source on that, don't you?

That was a legitimate question, asked because I'm curious, to me BW never was that internationally popular, it was mostly enclosed in Korea. There BW was bigger at it's peak than SC2 of course, but I don't think it was the case for outside of it

the state of non-Korean BW is pretty much the same as the state of non-American baseball. BW indeed was mostly big in Korea for 2 obvious reasons: Koreans were much better players and esports as you know it now was non-existent outside of Korea. E.g. Blizzard sponsored zero Dreamhacks.
Michael Probu
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
November 21 2016 18:13 GMT
#57
do not derail every thread with this non stop bw..or sc2 is bad game talk.
Always sad to see a team disbanding. Good luck to the players to find a new opportunity.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
November 21 2016 18:33 GMT
#58
You can argue about SC2 vs BW all day you want. I have played both. I don't play them nowadays. However, the problem remains and your focus is wrong. Your focus, which includes Blizzard's focus, should be on how to beat LoL and CS.
KappaKingPrime
Profile Joined May 2014
United States468 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-21 18:35:50
November 21 2016 18:35 GMT
#59
Not very surprising, just makes me wounder how long will JAGW last.
xTJx
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil419 Posts
November 21 2016 18:50 GMT
#60
Give broodwar HD
No prejudices, i hate everyone equally.
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