EPTAfreeca SC2 team disbands - Page 4
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On November 22 2016 01:59 maartendq wrote: I don't think SC2 could have become anything more than it did at its peak around 2012-2014. It singlehandedly pushed eSports into mainstream attention, and eventually got overtaken by the more team-oriented and more accessible MOBA games. If 2016 turns out to be the final year SC2 still had somewhat good content I will have been glad to have been part of this for the past six years. I'll miss it but it's been a great ride. Considering the current state of the gaming industry it is a small miracle the game managed to stick around for as long as it did I think. I think it could have been more. Dont get me wrong, I loved SC2 when it was still WoL. I had a lot of fun, great game. But over the years, patch by patch, I got more and more disappointed. My personal vision of what SC2 should be like and blizzards vision were too far apart. Judging from how things are going with SC2 I think its fair to assume I am not the only one feeling this way. It simply isnt a game for me. But I refuse to accept it could not have been one. Saying things are impossible is just a lame excuse for not trying hard enough. | ||
r_gg
141 Posts
On November 21 2016 18:34 KatatoniK wrote: Damn, I felt Afreeca would keep their team going seeing as they sponsor the GSL. Sad news. Hope all the Afreeca boys land on their feet and stay in the scene. Now we really only have Jin Air still going. I know MVP said they're not disbanding but something seems off about that. Forte wasn't in his MVP gear for VSL. Pet doesn't seem to be in the team house when he streams and again, isn't in team gear. Then there's the fact there's MVP players streaming on Twitch. Didn't they have a deal with Azubu? Yeah about this..... the original interview that said they aren't disbanding got pulled from the sources and their coach Choya seems to have left MVP and started streaming on Afreeca. | ||
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Slydie
1871 Posts
1: Multiplayer RTS is a very difficult genre to both learn and master, and it takes a lot of commitment to play well and improve. You can't just pick it up, and you get out of shape quickly. 2: It is not a good team game, all big e-sports titles are. The social part is very important (my clan was formed in peep mode.) 3: The whole concept is more or less unchanged since Warcraft: orcs and humans and Dune 2 in the early 90s. The allmighty army-commander concept does not sit as well with younger generations, all other RTS franchises approve. Once, Age of Empires and Command and Conquer were the games kids talked about. Not anymore... However, I think you can probably still get a good ladder ecperience in SC2 20 years from now, as it is a very well done game with a strong community. How is Warcraft 2 battle net edition doing? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On November 22 2016 05:22 dAPhREAk wrote: hear of this team for the first time saturday during the homestory cup. That's fairly impressive. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On November 22 2016 05:16 Slydie wrote: You guys talk so much about balance, David Kim, design etc. It is not about that, trust me! I am a medicore player which got to plat once, but do not play much atm, and neither do I watch many pro games. This is my theories for the decline: 1: Multiplayer RTS is a very difficult genre to both learn and master, and it takes a lot of commitment to play well and improve. You can't just pick it up, and you get out of shape quickly. 2: It is not a good team game, all big e-sports titles are. The social part is very important (my clan was formed in peep mode.) 3: The whole concept is more or less unchanged since Warcraft: orcs and humans and Dune 2 in the early 90s. The allmighty army-commander concept does not sit as well with younger generations, all other RTS franchises approve. Once, Age of Empires and Command and Conquer were the games kids talked about. Not anymore... However, I think you can probably still get a good ladder ecperience in SC2 20 years from now, as it is a very well done game with a strong community. How is Warcraft 2 battle net edition doing? The problem is that SC2 didn't manage to capture the BW/WC3 audience. SC2 had a real chance of connecting the WC3 scene with the BW scene. I would love if SC2 burrowed ideals from both WC3 and BW's best qualities. But SC2 tried to be its thing which didn't carve out the said audiences. And while Blizzard fought vs Kespa, LoL came in during the chaos and stole the heart of the youngsters. I think Blizzard killed SC2's chance before it even got a chance in Korea and meanwhile, they killed the BW scene too. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
dont really follow sc2 that much anymore, but always watch homestory cup. =D | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On November 22 2016 03:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I'm surprised these teams aren't keeping like one or two players. There's still GSL and presumably other tournaments so why not keep you're one of two best? Is GSL going though? I know afreeca said there WOULD be a GSL next year but how can you hold a GSL with no players to play it? | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On November 22 2016 05:45 dAPhREAk wrote: dont really follow sc2 that much anymore, but always watch homestory cup. =D They're quite literally Startale, just renamed with a different title sponsor after Sbenu bailed. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On November 22 2016 03:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I'm surprised these teams aren't keeping like one or two players. There's still GSL and presumably other tournaments so why not keep you're one of two best? I would assume that next GSL will be played because everything was already booked and that 2017 will have the last GSL's. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On November 22 2016 05:46 showstealer1829 wrote: Is GSL going though? I know afreeca said there WOULD be a GSL next year but how can you hold a GSL with no players to play it? There are still players. Just teamless ones. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2623 Posts
On November 22 2016 05:40 RealityIsKing wrote: The problem is that SC2 didn't manage to capture the BW/WC3 audience. SC2 had a real chance of connecting the WC3 scene with the BW scene. I would love if SC2 burrowed ideals from both WC3 and BW's best qualities. But SC2 tried to be its thing which didn't carve out the said audiences. And while Blizzard fought vs Kespa, LoL came in during the chaos and stole the heart of the youngsters. I think Blizzard killed SC2's chance before it even got a chance in Korea and meanwhile, they killed the BW scene too. LoL is miles more different to BW and WC3, not even the same genre. Also LoL is loaded with patches reworks and aditions, compared to that SC2 changes where barely a fraction, even now LoL keeps reworking and redesigning champions and items, adding new stuff and even deleting existing items. SC2 changes pale in comparison to that. | ||
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horrypotter
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On November 22 2016 06:51 Lexender wrote: LoL is miles more different to BW and WC3, not even the same genre. Also LoL is loaded with patches reworks and aditions, compared to that SC2 changes where barely a fraction, even now LoL keeps reworking and redesigning champions and items, adding new stuff and even deleting existing items. SC2 changes pale in comparison to that. Never said that they were the same genre. Was stating the fact that because of the space created from Blizzard's argument with Kespa, LoL took advantage of that. | ||
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On November 22 2016 07:24 horrypotter wrote: in this thread, we can see the biggest reason why SC2 has declined: community's insane negativity. Negativity comes from somewhere. It has to grow over time. In this case its disappointment. The negativity is not the source, its a symptom. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
History repeat itself. | ||
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Carminedust
487 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On November 22 2016 07:49 RoomOfMush wrote: Negativity comes from somewhere. It has to grow over time. In this case its disappointment. The negativity is not the source, its a symptom. Oh I would argue with that actually | ||
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