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On November 18 2016 09:20 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2016 09:18 Penev wrote:DT blink research cost reduction from 150/150 to 100/100
The time and tech-level barrier seems to be big enough that this could use a slight buff.
please drop this it's silly "Protoss has some fundamental issues and we have heard your suggestions!" "Dts now have blink" For every good idea or welcome idea there's a "Lets just buff the raven cause I haven't seen people making ravens so they must be underpowered".
I hate the constant buffing and adding abilities, next year this time when you start a game your pc probably explodes
if it doesn't blink away first
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On November 18 2016 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I think after watching uThermal vs Scarlett they need to do more than monitor reapers. It's not just ByuN
But after Blizzcon everyone said it was just because Byun was sooooo good. Maybe uThermal is too.
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On November 18 2016 09:27 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2016 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I think after watching uThermal vs Scarlett they need to do more than monitor reapers. It's not just ByuN But after Blizzcon everyone said it was just because Byun was sooooo good. Maybe uThermal is too.
Well Byun is so good in general. I was actually one of the ones who didn't think his reaper micro is THAT great though you see him lose a few more than average but that's vs Dark so who knows
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On November 18 2016 09:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2016 09:27 Phredxor wrote:On November 18 2016 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I think after watching uThermal vs Scarlett they need to do more than monitor reapers. It's not just ByuN But after Blizzcon everyone said it was just because Byun was sooooo good. Maybe uThermal is too. Well Byun is so good in general. I was actually one of the ones who didn't think his reaper micro is THAT great though you see him lose a few more than average but that's vs Dark so who knows
I mean he's the best player of 2016
.. but he's lost every TvZ since Blizzcon because people know he's good at two things and defend against two things.
soO's games show that. He prepared for byun by practicing against 3rax and preparing a counter build specifically for byuns mid game marine widow mine heavy style.
In that same vein, Scarlett did not put in enough effort training against 3rax. She proved that she was one of the best Zergs in the world and she's now out because she couldn't stop cheese.
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ZigguratOfUr
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On November 18 2016 09:44 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2016 09:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On November 18 2016 09:27 Phredxor wrote:On November 18 2016 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I think after watching uThermal vs Scarlett they need to do more than monitor reapers. It's not just ByuN But after Blizzcon everyone said it was just because Byun was sooooo good. Maybe uThermal is too. Well Byun is so good in general. I was actually one of the ones who didn't think his reaper micro is THAT great though you see him lose a few more than average but that's vs Dark so who knows I mean he's the best player of 2016 .. but he's lost every TvZ since Blizzcon because people know he's good at two things and defend against two things. soO's games show that. He prepared for byun by practicing against 3rax and preparing a counter build specifically for byuns mid game marine widow mine heavy style. In that same vein, Scarlett did not put in enough effort training against 3rax. She proved that she was one of the best Zergs in the world and she's now out because she couldn't stop cheese.
ByuN uncharacteristically messed up his micro pretty badly that game. I wouldn't use it as an example.
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Just fix this 3Rax Reaper bullshit. Beside it beeing way too benefiting for the terran (easy to execute with minimal risk and high benefits for the terran) its just freaking horrible to watch Zerg players get rekt by it in tournaments.
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Too many MOBA elements and lack of traditional RTS elements. ie. Too much auto-shoot high damage reliance and general abilities, instead of core unit interactions and positioning.
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Tanks armor should increase when sieged. Logical & practical.
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now remove nades from the game, or make it available after upgrade in rax techlab, tvt against reaper rush is literally worst experience i've had in sc2
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On November 18 2016 09:50 EXRNaRa wrote:
Just fix this 3Rax Reaper bullshit. Beside it beeing way too benefiting for the terran (easy to execute with minimal risk and high benefits for the terran) its just freaking horrible to watch Zerg players get rekt by it in tournaments. It's not that easy to pull off IMO. And, Scarlett really should've gone Roaches.
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On November 18 2016 09:56 Jj_82 wrote:
Tanks armor should increase when sieged. Logical & practical.
Honestly i like the idea.
That does not make them straight away too strong, if you engage while the terran is still unsieged, you get a small benefit. That allows more influence by the players on the power of the tank.
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On November 18 2016 09:58 Jj_82 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2016 09:50 EXRNaRa wrote:
Just fix this 3Rax Reaper bullshit. Beside it beeing way too benefiting for the terran (easy to execute with minimal risk and high benefits for the terran) its just freaking horrible to watch Zerg players get rekt by it in tournaments. It's not that easy to pull off IMO. And, Scarlett really should've gone Roaches.
I main terran, currently high masters, was GM twice back in Hots and i can tell you its easy to pull off.
I am not directly talking about mircoing the reaper. Its just, that Zerg has to do a shitload of stuff with a high risk to defend it, while the terran is building scvs, tech and expanding.
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On November 18 2016 08:17 avilo wrote:
So they finally are willing to mention reapers after you know what happened on the bnet forums.
Reapers are getting a mention due to many concrete game play examples.
inflammatory forum yap is meaningless and only serves to lower the signal-to-noise ratio of player feedback to blizzard
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On November 18 2016 09:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2016 09:44 Probe1 wrote:On November 18 2016 09:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On November 18 2016 09:27 Phredxor wrote:On November 18 2016 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I think after watching uThermal vs Scarlett they need to do more than monitor reapers. It's not just ByuN But after Blizzcon everyone said it was just because Byun was sooooo good. Maybe uThermal is too. Well Byun is so good in general. I was actually one of the ones who didn't think his reaper micro is THAT great though you see him lose a few more than average but that's vs Dark so who knows I mean he's the best player of 2016 .. but he's lost every TvZ since Blizzcon because people know he's good at two things and defend against two things. soO's games show that. He prepared for byun by practicing against 3rax and preparing a counter build specifically for byuns mid game marine widow mine heavy style. In that same vein, Scarlett did not put in enough effort training against 3rax. She proved that she was one of the best Zergs in the world and she's now out because she couldn't stop cheese. ByuN uncharacteristically messed up his micro pretty badly that game. I wouldn't use it as an example.
In which one? He's lost 4 series.
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Last night on olimoleague, we saw big resurgence on cyclone mech
I don't see why they should drastically change it to new cyclone. We were finally seeing some hints of tvp mech working with the live cyclone too. If they wanted to be easier to use, they could have modified lock on damage and the health of cyclones
Not only that, majority of patch cyclone strength comes in early game and loses a lot of effectiveness midgame. Do people really want to invest an upgrade in mediocre unit? Especially when upgrade is on tech lab for reactorable early game unit
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ZigguratOfUr
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On November 18 2016 10:06 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2016 09:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 18 2016 09:44 Probe1 wrote:On November 18 2016 09:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On November 18 2016 09:27 Phredxor wrote:On November 18 2016 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I think after watching uThermal vs Scarlett they need to do more than monitor reapers. It's not just ByuN But after Blizzcon everyone said it was just because Byun was sooooo good. Maybe uThermal is too. Well Byun is so good in general. I was actually one of the ones who didn't think his reaper micro is THAT great though you see him lose a few more than average but that's vs Dark so who knows I mean he's the best player of 2016 .. but he's lost every TvZ since Blizzcon because people know he's good at two things and defend against two things. soO's games show that. He prepared for byun by practicing against 3rax and preparing a counter build specifically for byuns mid game marine widow mine heavy style. In that same vein, Scarlett did not put in enough effort training against 3rax. She proved that she was one of the best Zergs in the world and she's now out because she couldn't stop cheese. ByuN uncharacteristically messed up his micro pretty badly that game. I wouldn't use it as an example. In which one? He's lost 4 series.
The one where he lost with 3-rax reaper. Against soO on Frozen Temple in VSL. The fact that he lost series due to reasons entirely unrelated to 3-rax reaper isn't exactly relevant.
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I like for once having a strong game ending early hitting Allin as Terran. The last time t had this was in wol. It's important for evrey race to have some viable allins to keep opponents honest. With that being said. It may be a bit to strong.
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Oh god. Terran bio is gonna suck donkeyballs against mech after this patch. Honestly if mech becomes a regular thing in the TvT matchup I will strongly consider quiting this game all together. Mech just isn't fun to watch, play or play against -.- It's just a horrible boring thing that I don't even understand that they want to make a thing in the first place -.-
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On November 18 2016 10:20 jinjin5000 wrote:
Last night on olimoleague, we saw big resurgence on cyclone mech
I don't see why they should drastically change it to new cyclone. We were finally seeing some hints of tvp mech working with the live cyclone too. If they wanted to be easier to use, they could have modified lock on damage and the health of cyclones
Not only that, majority of patch cyclone strength comes in early game and loses a lot of effectiveness midgame. Do people really want to invest an upgrade in mediocre unit? Especially when upgrade is on tech lab for reactorable early game unit
It's been on the ladder a lot but pro scene wise that's just gumiho being gumiho. Bringing the based mech TvZ.
On November 18 2016 12:29 Frankenberry wrote:
Oh god. Terran bio is gonna suck donkeyballs against mech after this patch. Honestly if mech becomes a regular thing in the TvT matchup I will strongly consider quiting this game all together. Mech just isn't fun to watch, play or play against -.- It's just a horrible boring thing that I don't even understand that they want to make a thing in the first place -.-
You say that now but right now everyone says TvT is not good to play. I know how it is to watch. Boring.
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On November 18 2016 12:29 Frankenberry wrote:
Oh god. Terran bio is gonna suck donkeyballs against mech after this patch. Honestly if mech becomes a regular thing in the TvT matchup I will strongly consider quiting this game all together. Mech just isn't fun to watch, play or play against -.- It's just a horrible boring thing that I don't even understand that they want to make a thing in the first place -.-
Great. As it should have been a looong time ago. Going Mech or Bio is what makes the Terran race unique , just like the other races have unique Pros/cons too.. If people want to play only bio they should go and play Zerg. You are not suppossed to run head forward into Tanks. Mech´s weakness is and should be mobility not direct confrontations. If you think about A moving Marauders into a fortified Mech positionjust because they are good against armored Units you are not thinking about mobility, you are thinking about getting your Units killed (and should be punished for it). I rather have positional, strategic play than the stupid Mentality Bio i: Stim and Go (This is a bit exaggerating ofc there are drops and flanking).
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