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On November 17 2016 09:18 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2016 08:46 BronzeKnee wrote:On November 17 2016 08:41 Probe1 wrote:
We need to work together and put aside all the petty race balance bullshit. We need to talk about how the game has failed to captivate players and how to improve it. The time remaining for a reverse course is small but it is possible. I agree. But I'll take it one step further, we need to talk about how the design team that has designed SC2 has failed to captivate players and demand a new one. They've had chance after chance to build off the solid foundation that was WOL (yes it had many problems, but it was a solid foundation) and they designed the game in such a way that even the Korean Professionals said the game was to hard. And then Blizzard roundly dismissed their advice. We need change. Do you really want to play it this way? You people who downplay SC2 for years and insist that it should be completely different and Blizzard does it all wrong, you are helping things?! That is borderline insane. I am not sure what hurts SC2 more than all this endless negativity. Can we really expect anyone to read hundreds of pages of "David Kim doesn't know what he's doing" and "look at all these design flaws of SC2" to enthusiastically jump into the game? SC2 is awesome and it is a result of an incredible amount of workhours of professionals. I have zero faith that any of the "keyboard game design warriors" could ever produce anything even remotely comparable. They have zero infrastructure, mostly zero real experience and just a heap of conflicting opinions. But they have apparently enough time to poison the world for the rest of us.
Woah! Some hypocritical conformism here. You forgot to add that we should all stop fighting and try to live in peacefull world. But you know what, critisism is the only thing that's keeping this world alive. If you believe that something is good/bad you are free to express your opinion, even if it is a "negative" opinion. Especially if it's supported by facts. SC2 is on downfall, that's obvious (playerbase, viewership etc etc). And instead of admitting it DK and company keep feeding us with balance changes noone gives a shit about. I dunno how can it not trigger negativity. It's a natural reaction to people playing dumb on you. I would even say there is not enough crititsm on TL, cause it seems that a lot of people don't get the scale of this shit and instead pretend everything's ok blaming others for "being toxic" (it seems that people are throwing this term at anyone who disagrees with them these days) and game being a failure because of that. Can one be more ignorant? Something is considered good because it's actually good, not because someone said its good. Does LoL have haters? Thousands of! Is LoL's community toxic? Hell yes. Can this even remotely stop LoL from being n1 esport and most popular game ever? "Be more positive" way of thinking is nothing but hypocritical shit. Bashing someone with critisism is the only positive thing you can do to someone if you actually care.
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well, blizzard basically killed Starcraft on its own. Gratz. dead as fuck game
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"hey, lets just enjoy this game, negativeness doesnt help" - well neither does silencing this topic to death. Also i cant stand those people who still claim SC2 wasnt dying.
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On November 17 2016 18:14 Dungeontay wrote:
"hey, lets just enjoy this game, negativeness doesnt help" - well neither does silencing this topic to death. Also i cant stand those people who still claim SC2 wasnt dying.
Cmon lets stay constructive and not wallow in it. The game isn't dead. It's not well off. But if you tuned in to the Olimoleague matches that just ended, you'd be talking about how much effort people put into tournaments and you wouldn't be calling it dead.
I am the first person to say this is not the right course we need to work with Blizzard and get the game to where it needs to be.
But just being defeatist about it, it doesn't help us or you or Blizzard. It's just getting yourself down. So think positive! We can improve!
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I for one am going to enjoy the heck out of this last big HSC and save the nostalgia and sadness for when it's over and I'm back from Krefeld and hungover for at least two days.
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Thanks for the headsup and for all the work! Will keep supporting and watching when possible!
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On November 17 2016 18:21 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2016 18:14 Dungeontay wrote:
"hey, lets just enjoy this game, negativeness doesnt help" - well neither does silencing this topic to death. Also i cant stand those people who still claim SC2 wasnt dying. Cmon lets stay constructive and not wallow in it. The game isn't dead. It's not well off. But if you tuned in to the Olimoleague matches that just ended, you'd be talking about how much effort people put into tournaments and you wouldn't be calling it dead. I am the first person to say this is not the right course we need to work with Blizzard and get the game to where it needs to be. But just being defeatist about it, it doesn't help us or you or Blizzard. It's just getting yourself down. So think positive! We can improve!
Realistically though, how much do you think blizzard are going to change sc2 from now? Theyve had all the expansions. The only thing I keep seeing are some unit stats changes every update, no actual redesigning.
Dont think its going to happen
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2016 sucks
But thanks for everything Take
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On November 17 2016 20:03 thenanox wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UVLKzqU.png)
my human brain designed to subconsciously seek for familiar patterns and shapes had a hard time with your painting. Nice use of the midnight black and phthalo blue right there.
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this argument just reminds me of hillary's campaigners convincing themselves that they'll be alright
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And some people will still blindly defend Legacy of the Void. So sad right now that talented people like Take and the whole lot of progamers and other personalities are struggling due to this game losing popularity. Let´s hope one day you all rise again.
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On November 17 2016 18:02 insitelol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2016 09:18 opisska wrote:On November 17 2016 08:46 BronzeKnee wrote:On November 17 2016 08:41 Probe1 wrote:
We need to work together and put aside all the petty race balance bullshit. We need to talk about how the game has failed to captivate players and how to improve it. The time remaining for a reverse course is small but it is possible. I agree. But I'll take it one step further, we need to talk about how the design team that has designed SC2 has failed to captivate players and demand a new one. They've had chance after chance to build off the solid foundation that was WOL (yes it had many problems, but it was a solid foundation) and they designed the game in such a way that even the Korean Professionals said the game was to hard. And then Blizzard roundly dismissed their advice. We need change. Do you really want to play it this way? You people who downplay SC2 for years and insist that it should be completely different and Blizzard does it all wrong, you are helping things?! That is borderline insane. I am not sure what hurts SC2 more than all this endless negativity. Can we really expect anyone to read hundreds of pages of "David Kim doesn't know what he's doing" and "look at all these design flaws of SC2" to enthusiastically jump into the game? SC2 is awesome and it is a result of an incredible amount of workhours of professionals. I have zero faith that any of the "keyboard game design warriors" could ever produce anything even remotely comparable. They have zero infrastructure, mostly zero real experience and just a heap of conflicting opinions. But they have apparently enough time to poison the world for the rest of us. Woah! Some hypocritical conformism here. You forgot to add that we should all stop fighting and try to live in peacefull world. But you know what, critisism is the only thing that's keeping this world alive. If you believe that something is good/bad you are free to express your opinion, even if it is a "negative" opinion. Especially if it's supported by facts. SC2 is on downfall, that's obvious (playerbase, viewership etc etc). And instead of admitting it DK and company keep feeding us with balance changes noone gives a shit about. I dunno how can it not trigger negativity. It's a natural reaction to people playing dumb on you. I would even say there is not enough crititsm on TL, cause it seems that a lot of people don't get the scale of this shit and instead pretend everything's ok blaming others for "being toxic" (it seems that people are throwing this term at anyone who disagrees with them these days) and game being a failure because of that. Can one be more ignorant? Something is considered good because it's actually good, not because someone said its good. Does LoL have haters? Thousands of! Is LoL's community toxic? Hell yes. Can this even remotely stop LoL from being n1 esport and most popular game ever? "Be more positive" way of thinking is nothing but hypocritical shit. Bashing someone with critisism is the only positive thing you can do to someone if you actually care.
Sure, the game declines in popularity, it's fucking six years old, in a world when the typical attention span of a kid is about twenty seconds, what else would you ever expect? It's also hard as hell and people are nowadays looking more for safe spaces than a challenge. But there is this group of vocal people, to which you apparently belong, which continues to pose negative things about Blizzard, DK and SC2 as if it were hard facts. Guess what, they are not - all that is just, you know, your opinion. But it has become customary to shit on the game and the devs to no end, with vague explanations and waving around the mantra of "game design" as if it made your opinion on how a game should look like more valuable, if you shout "game design" three times in each direction on midnight at full moon. It's such a gigantic echo chamber that I honestly think that most of you really do believe that your view is the only one absolutely correct and anyone else is delusional.
Saying that I like that game as it is has now become an instant target for carpet bombing. What have we got ourselves to, really. I never liked the game more, LoTV has brought so many awesome things, the whole feel of the game is much better, which led me to improve dramatically and enjoy playing more than ever, while broadcast games keep being the most enjoyable "TV" entertainment I know and we watch SC2 at home at mostly every time we feel like just sitting back and looking at stuff. I know that we aren't a legion, but there are apparently a couple of tens of thousands people who enjoy playing or watching the game as well, thanks to the great work of the dev team (and in my opinion in big part thanks to them not selling to every stupid idea the "community" throws at them).
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SC2 is not dying, but 1vs1 mutliplayer mode is dying. At least co-op mode and arcade mode is doing very fine. Why SC2 have to be called "dead" because of the mode that has only 10% of its game's whole population?
1vs1 multiplayer mode is only one small unpopular mode of SC2.
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We have to know what DK and developer team aiming. They said that they don't aim getting a lot of players, but they aim great RTS that even perfect player can't master. This is why game is getting harder and harder. But even if player leave because game is hard, Blizz don't care, because what they aim has nothing to do with playerbase.
At least, co-op mode is now saucer of the player who can't keep up with multiplayer mode. That is why now co-op mode is most popuar mode in SC2. They said whole playerbase of SC2 is 2 millions per month, I don't think this is bad number.
And I think Lotv is the most fun SC2 to watch, I don't think current situation is the problem. Player of 1vs1 may decline more, but it's ok if I can find match in 2min, it's far better than Heroes of the storm that needs at least 5 min to find the game.
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thx Take u are awesome i hope some good sponsors show up soon 
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On November 17 2016 22:33 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2016 18:02 insitelol wrote:On November 17 2016 09:18 opisska wrote:On November 17 2016 08:46 BronzeKnee wrote:On November 17 2016 08:41 Probe1 wrote:
We need to work together and put aside all the petty race balance bullshit. We need to talk about how the game has failed to captivate players and how to improve it. The time remaining for a reverse course is small but it is possible. I agree. But I'll take it one step further, we need to talk about how the design team that has designed SC2 has failed to captivate players and demand a new one. They've had chance after chance to build off the solid foundation that was WOL (yes it had many problems, but it was a solid foundation) and they designed the game in such a way that even the Korean Professionals said the game was to hard. And then Blizzard roundly dismissed their advice. We need change. Do you really want to play it this way? You people who downplay SC2 for years and insist that it should be completely different and Blizzard does it all wrong, you are helping things?! That is borderline insane. I am not sure what hurts SC2 more than all this endless negativity. Can we really expect anyone to read hundreds of pages of "David Kim doesn't know what he's doing" and "look at all these design flaws of SC2" to enthusiastically jump into the game? SC2 is awesome and it is a result of an incredible amount of workhours of professionals. I have zero faith that any of the "keyboard game design warriors" could ever produce anything even remotely comparable. They have zero infrastructure, mostly zero real experience and just a heap of conflicting opinions. But they have apparently enough time to poison the world for the rest of us. Woah! Some hypocritical conformism here. You forgot to add that we should all stop fighting and try to live in peacefull world. But you know what, critisism is the only thing that's keeping this world alive. If you believe that something is good/bad you are free to express your opinion, even if it is a "negative" opinion. Especially if it's supported by facts. SC2 is on downfall, that's obvious (playerbase, viewership etc etc). And instead of admitting it DK and company keep feeding us with balance changes noone gives a shit about. I dunno how can it not trigger negativity. It's a natural reaction to people playing dumb on you. I would even say there is not enough crititsm on TL, cause it seems that a lot of people don't get the scale of this shit and instead pretend everything's ok blaming others for "being toxic" (it seems that people are throwing this term at anyone who disagrees with them these days) and game being a failure because of that. Can one be more ignorant? Something is considered good because it's actually good, not because someone said its good. Does LoL have haters? Thousands of! Is LoL's community toxic? Hell yes. Can this even remotely stop LoL from being n1 esport and most popular game ever? "Be more positive" way of thinking is nothing but hypocritical shit. Bashing someone with critisism is the only positive thing you can do to someone if you actually care. Sure, the game declines in popularity, it's fucking six years old, in a world when the typical attention span of a kid is about twenty seconds, what else would you ever expect? It's also hard as hell and people are nowadays looking more for safe spaces than a challenge. But there is this group of vocal people, to which you apparently belong, which continues to pose negative things about Blizzard, DK and SC2 as if it were hard facts. Guess what, they are not - all that is just, you know, your opinion. But it has become customary to shit on the game and the devs to no end, with vague explanations and waving around the mantra of "game design" as if it made your opinion on how a game should look like more valuable, if you shout "game design" three times in each direction on midnight at full moon. It's such a gigantic echo chamber that I honestly think that most of you really do believe that your view is the only one absolutely correct and anyone else is delusional. Saying that I like that game as it is has now become an instant target for carpet bombing. What have we got ourselves to, really. I never liked the game more, LoTV has brought so many awesome things, the whole feel of the game is much better, which led me to improve dramatically and enjoy playing more than ever, while broadcast games keep being the most enjoyable "TV" entertainment I know and we watch SC2 at home at mostly every time we feel like just sitting back and looking at stuff. I know that we aren't a legion, but there are apparently a couple of tens of thousands people who enjoy playing or watching the game as well, thanks to the great work of the dev team (and in my opinion in big part thanks to them not selling to every stupid idea the "community" throws at them).
how do you explain the fact that BW streamers just playing casually pull in more viewers now than HSC (not shitting on Take or whoever, it was a good run)?
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Sad to see HSC (just like the korean scene) paying the prize for the failures of the sc2 dev and balancing team. But I guess thats they way it is currently. All other esports handle and address balance and design issues much much much better. League, dota 2 and even Blizzards very own OW ....
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On November 17 2016 23:02 horrypotter wrote:
We have to know what DK and developer team aiming. They said that they don't aim getting a lot of players, but they aim great RTS that even perfect player can't master. This is why game is getting harder and harder. But even if player leave because game is hard, Blizz don't care, because what they aim has nothing to do with playerbase.
At least, co-op mode is now saucer of the player who can't keep up with multiplayer mode. That is why now co-op mode is most popuar mode in SC2. They said whole playerbase of SC2 is 2 millions per month, I don't think this is bad number.
And I think Lotv is the most fun SC2 to watch, I don't think current situation is the problem. Player of 1vs1 may decline more, but it's ok if I can find match in 2min, it's far better than Heroes of the storm that needs at least 5 min to find the game.
Just wanted to fix that post, because i have the same opinion.
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