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Regardless of the situation, we will still action upon "dead game" comments. As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW. This thread is also not about bashing Blizzard, David Kim, or the WCS system. | ||
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Primelot
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
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WidowMineHero
New Zealand143 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 23 2016 22:43 ZiggyPG wrote: The skill ceiling fluctuates over time, that is natural. The relative skill of the highest ranked players compared to the average level of the scene shouldn't change much, though. That's why winning a StarLeague, for instance, doesn't matter if it was won 15 or 5 years ago. That's only true if you assume that the general competitiveness of a scene does not change. It does though, at the start of sc2 it was basically an amateur scene at best, anyone who did more like Mvp, Nestea, etc had a huge advantage. After the Kespa switch it suddenly became a lot more professional, proleague alone meant that players had to be a lot more prepared all the time. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
On October 23 2016 18:55 Thouhastmail wrote: http://m.ytn.co.kr/news_view.php?s_mcd=0107&key=201610230001073924&pos= oov, "I've devoted myself to this for almost 20 yrs. I won't call myself victim; we (*this scene) had a sense of ownership and regarded this as our job, work and home." I can tell you that he is absolutely not the only one. This was something we all "owned" and made ours. In the sense of the history of this league, I came in VERY late in being involved (2014). But when I got to work with the people who have been part of this since its beginning, I was able to see how much everyone REALLY cared about this tournament. It gave me energy, passion.. Whatever term you want to use for it. It's sad to see how many people are going to lose their jobs over this. | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
On October 23 2016 23:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: That's only true if you assume that the general competitiveness of a scene does not change. It does though, at the start of sc2 it was basically an amateur scene at best, anyone who did more like Mvp, Nestea, etc had a huge advantage. After the Kespa switch it suddenly became a lot more professional, proleague alone meant that players had to be a lot more prepared all the time. People dedicated to the game will always train more than others and that's why the relative skill remains pretty much the same. An OSL in 2001 = an OSL in 2011, the title remains the same despite the competitive scene shifting. On top of an influx of sponsors in those 10 years and the improvement of training conditions people also figured things out. Before Bisu no Protoss knew how to fast expand vs Zerg. After he figured out a way, it all became obvious. The message I'm attempting to convey might be perplexing, but I think it's fairly instinctive. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On October 24 2016 02:19 raga4ka wrote: A foreigner wins a korean tournament and the korean scene collapses... NA Toss won the 1st OSL to christen the scene, NA Toss came back to win the last Kespa cup and end the scene. Almost poetic when you think about it.  | ||
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Jealous
10285 Posts
On October 23 2016 22:40 MockHamill wrote: Well if you look at it from the bright side the skill difference between korean and western players will diminish. Yes! Now Koreans will finally be bad enough for foreigners to beat them consistently! Who needs pinnacle play anyway? Not like quality of players matters much to the success of a game, it's about storylines and nationalism more than anything. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On October 24 2016 05:10 Jealous wrote: Yes! Now Koreans will finally be bad enough for foreigners to beat them consistently! Who needs pinnacle play anyway? Not like quality of players matters much to the success of a game, it's about storylines and nationalism more than anything. Sadly with a lot of the posts I've seen recently, it's pretty much true. Disgusting honestly that this is what's left of the community. | ||
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verecunda
Korea (South)121 Posts
On October 23 2016 23:19 Wolf wrote: oov, "I've devoted myself to this for almost 20 yrs. I won't call myself victim; we (*this scene) had a sense of ownership and regarded this as our job, work and home." I can tell you that he is absolutely not the only one. This was something we all "owned" and made ours. In the sense of the history of this league, I came in VERY late in being involved (2014). But when I got to work with the people who have been part of this since its beginning, I was able to see how much everyone REALLY cared about this tournament. It gave me energy, passion.. Whatever term you want to use for it. It's sad to see how many people are going to lose their jobs over this. Hear, hear. It was an honor to hear you casting in Proleague. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On October 23 2016 23:19 Wolf wrote: I can tell you that he is absolutely not the only one. This was something we all "owned" and made ours. In the sense of the history of this league, I came in VERY late in being involved (2014). But when I got to work with the people who have been part of this since its beginning, I was able to see how much everyone REALLY cared about this tournament. It gave me energy, passion.. Whatever term you want to use for it. It's sad to see how many people are going to lose their jobs over this. wolf my man  what are you going to be up to now? please stick around!! | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On October 25 2016 03:00 FFW_Rude wrote: Do we know what the coaches will do ? H.O.T ? Oov ? Stork ? I assume Stork will do his duty. | ||
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LOcDowN
United States1015 Posts
On October 24 2016 03:33 207aicila wrote: NA Toss won the 1st OSL to christen the scene, NA Toss came back to win the last Kespa cup and end the scene. Almost poetic when you think about it. Haha. Wow. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
On October 20 2016 19:02 Arceus wrote: I dont know where do you get that "flourished the most on its own" part. eSF was a joke of governing body with tons of scandals & mismanagement. Why people love to blame everything on KeSPA is way beyond me. I'm not that much trying to blame kespa (although kespa is to blame to a certain extend and so are others), but to describe, what the consequences of kespa's actions were. Everyone should be aware of the fact that most things that happened were really hard to be foreseen. Many of us smiled at LoL in the early days of SC2, being proud of the fact that SC2 was the biggest esport the world has ever seen. And in that sense SC2 flourished also in Korea, having a stable league with GSL, opening more and more to the global competition and thus winning more and more sponsor value because SC2 sponsors weren't as Korea-focused back then (Redbull, LG, MSI, Razer, Thermaltake, FXO). You're right, eSF and GOM had problems but they seemed to manage a certain level of stability. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 26 2016 06:46 fronkschnonk wrote: I'm not that much trying to blame kespa (although kespa is to blame to a certain extend and so are others), but to describe, what the consequences of kespa's actions were. Everyone should be aware of the fact that most things that happened were really hard to be foreseen. Many of us smiled at LoL in the early days of SC2, being proud of the fact that SC2 was the biggest esport the world has ever seen. And in that sense SC2 flourished also in Korea, having a stable league with GSL, opening more and more to the global competition and thus winning more and more sponsor value because SC2 sponsors weren't as Korea-focused back then (Redbull, LG, MSI, Razer, Thermaltake, FXO). You're right, eSF and GOM had problems but they seemed to manage a certain level of stability. doubt it, back when eSF was around, teams had a hard time finding sponsors. I still remember back when Prime was looking around and they got sponsored by some restaurant or something. I don't see how having difficulty finding sponsors for the team to keep it running equates to stability. Heck, there was also talk of some players using their prize money to support their teams (don't remember who/what team). Compare that to some of the bigger sponsors that Kespa "probably" helped get on board in the BW days like SKT and KT etc... Only exception was SlayerS but we all know why they got lots of sponsors. | ||
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MindForeverBurning
12 Posts
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UhrU
4 Posts
ProLeague, you will be missed <3 | ||
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