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Regardless of the situation, we will still action upon "dead game" comments. As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW. This thread is also not about bashing Blizzard, David Kim, or the WCS system.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
October 21 2016 20:19 GMT
#1201
On October 22 2016 05:16 zealotstim wrote:
Was this post buried? It's not old news and now suddenly very hard to find. People need somewhere to talk about this. What better place than here?


It's featured news, so nobody is trying to hide it. But due to the Road to BlizzCon articles it was indeed buried under all the awesomeness.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37098 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-21 20:20:30
October 21 2016 20:20 GMT
#1202
On October 22 2016 05:16 zealotstim wrote:
Was this post buried? It's not old news and now suddenly very hard to find. People need somewhere to talk about this. What better place than here?

It was moved to Featured News because it needed more attention than just Community News. However, it coincided with BlizzCon preview release times so yes, it eventually ended up getting buried.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2106 Posts
October 22 2016 11:01 GMT
#1203
I cancelled my twitch SPL subscription ,just like every year after the final. A single tear rolled down my cheek today, when I received en email reminder that my subscription has run out :/
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37098 Posts
October 22 2016 11:02 GMT
#1204
On October 22 2016 20:01 ZiggyPG wrote:
I cancelled my twitch SPL subscription ,just like every year after the final. A single tear rolled down my cheek today, when I received en email reminder that my subscription has run out :/

Every single StarCraft fan in the world unite! We'll pool our money together and fund Proleague ourselves.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2106 Posts
October 22 2016 11:04 GMT
#1205
On October 22 2016 20:02 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 20:01 ZiggyPG wrote:
I cancelled my twitch SPL subscription ,just like every year after the final. A single tear rolled down my cheek today, when I received en email reminder that my subscription has run out :/

Every single StarCraft fan in the world unite! We'll pool our money together and fund Proleague ourselves.


After all these years I still can't understand why leagues and tournament organisers don't allow crowdfunding... Is this a legal thing? A matter of pride?
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51109 Posts
October 22 2016 11:12 GMT
#1206
Kim Chul Min does it for BW but I wish he got more support, he really needs it especially with the level of content hes already put up.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2106 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-22 11:17:20
October 22 2016 11:17 GMT
#1207
Yeah, it's good we have KCM showmatches, pity this edition has been postponed. But I was rather referring to larger events, such as those organised by Blizzard, KeSPA, Afreeca, SpoTV etc
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
October 22 2016 11:18 GMT
#1208
On October 22 2016 20:04 ZiggyPG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 20:02 Seeker wrote:
On October 22 2016 20:01 ZiggyPG wrote:
I cancelled my twitch SPL subscription ,just like every year after the final. A single tear rolled down my cheek today, when I received en email reminder that my subscription has run out :/

Every single StarCraft fan in the world unite! We'll pool our money together and fund Proleague ourselves.


After all these years I still can't understand why leagues and tournament organisers don't allow crowdfunding... Is this a legal thing? A matter of pride?


Because offline leagues and tournaments of this magnitude (and even just your weekend events like DreamHack) cost a shit ton more than just the prize pool you see. Casters, production crew, tech crew, various other staff, venue (if they're not working out of their own studio). It's unrealistic to the point of being virtually impossible for a shrinking community like SC2's (which is probably at its lowest right now) to be able to come up with a significant fraction of those costs. It's orders of magnitude above getting MKP a flight to MLG (which incidentally happened while the scene was healthy and thriving and full of passionate people).
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2106 Posts
October 22 2016 11:30 GMT
#1209
On October 22 2016 20:18 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 20:04 ZiggyPG wrote:
On October 22 2016 20:02 Seeker wrote:
On October 22 2016 20:01 ZiggyPG wrote:
I cancelled my twitch SPL subscription ,just like every year after the final. A single tear rolled down my cheek today, when I received en email reminder that my subscription has run out :/

Every single StarCraft fan in the world unite! We'll pool our money together and fund Proleague ourselves.


After all these years I still can't understand why leagues and tournament organisers don't allow crowdfunding... Is this a legal thing? A matter of pride?


Because offline leagues and tournaments of this magnitude (and even just your weekend events like DreamHack) cost a shit ton more than just the prize pool you see. Casters, production crew, tech crew, various other staff, venue (if they're not working out of their own studio). It's unrealistic to the point of being virtually impossible for a shrinking community like SC2's (which is probably at its lowest right now) to be able to come up with a significant fraction of those costs. It's orders of magnitude above getting MKP a flight to MLG (which incidentally happened while the scene was healthy and thriving and full of passionate people).


So... no help > a little help?
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-22 11:35:49
October 22 2016 11:35 GMT
#1210
On October 22 2016 20:30 ZiggyPG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 20:18 207aicila wrote:
On October 22 2016 20:04 ZiggyPG wrote:
On October 22 2016 20:02 Seeker wrote:
On October 22 2016 20:01 ZiggyPG wrote:
I cancelled my twitch SPL subscription ,just like every year after the final. A single tear rolled down my cheek today, when I received en email reminder that my subscription has run out :/

Every single StarCraft fan in the world unite! We'll pool our money together and fund Proleague ourselves.


After all these years I still can't understand why leagues and tournament organisers don't allow crowdfunding... Is this a legal thing? A matter of pride?


Because offline leagues and tournaments of this magnitude (and even just your weekend events like DreamHack) cost a shit ton more than just the prize pool you see. Casters, production crew, tech crew, various other staff, venue (if they're not working out of their own studio). It's unrealistic to the point of being virtually impossible for a shrinking community like SC2's (which is probably at its lowest right now) to be able to come up with a significant fraction of those costs. It's orders of magnitude above getting MKP a flight to MLG (which incidentally happened while the scene was healthy and thriving and full of passionate people).


So... no help > a little help?


Let me put it this way. If a company decides an endeavour like this would lose them too much money to be worthwhile, any kind of crowdfunding from a community of this size would simply not be sufficient to make it worthwhile.

The "help" is so little when compared to the total cost of the operation that it practically doesn't matter.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
TL+ Member
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
October 22 2016 11:36 GMT
#1211
....
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2106 Posts
October 22 2016 11:48 GMT
#1212
Involving some sort of digital rewards for supporting tournaments would be a good way to draw people to such incentives, wouldnt it?
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
October 22 2016 12:21 GMT
#1213
I'd be curious for *someone else* to figure out what such an event would cost, piece by piece, just to see if it would be feasible.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
TypeO
Profile Joined December 2014
5 Posts
October 22 2016 12:42 GMT
#1214
On October 22 2016 20:48 ZiggyPG wrote:
Involving some sort of digital rewards for supporting tournaments would be a good way to draw people to such incentives, wouldnt it?


It's about time to implement some of the dota 2 compedium mechanics/funding through hats system into sc2.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2106 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-22 13:49:51
October 22 2016 13:49 GMT
#1215
On October 22 2016 21:42 TypeO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 20:48 ZiggyPG wrote:
Involving some sort of digital rewards for supporting tournaments would be a good way to draw people to such incentives, wouldnt it?


It's about time to implement some of the dota 2 compedium mechanics/funding through hats system into sc2.


I doubt we would get such conveniences for Korean tournaments after all that's happened recently. But I think Blizzard should consider those to keep WCS alive next year.
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
October 22 2016 13:52 GMT
#1216
On October 20 2016 00:38 aQuaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 00:34 Rollora wrote:
On October 19 2016 12:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 19 2016 12:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
by attrition the importance of TotalBiscuit and BaseTradeTV increases in 2017

Mhm that was the first thing rifkin posted as well, what a nice guy he is.


I think the amount of attention he gets is rather shocking. He covers a lot of cool tourneys, which is nice. But the way he casts, creates content, deals with his viewers and voices his (sometimes shockingly naive) opinion on things is something I can barely watch. I would rather watch hours of tastosis explaining each other how star wars robots make anal sex work (or whatever weird stuff they come up with) then whatever rifkin thinks is a smart thought and says it out. The other girl seems way more professional when it comes to casting. Focuses way more on the game and brings insight however. Hope she has a bright future. I guess she is actually the reason Basetrade is a success. Not because she seems to know stuff, but also increases the channels "aesthetics" (which for sure some will find anti-feminist, or sexist or whatever, but it is the truth. Go ahead and ban me for saying it).

I personally dislike Rifkin too, if I watch something casted on BaseTrade channel it's usually on mute. His taste and sense of humor is too much for me to handle

EDIT: omg am I going to get banned? D:

I don't think I got banned for saying the truth or an opinion (which, in my case, usually is the same), but because I asked for some time off
Mier19891
Profile Joined May 2015
United States75 Posts
October 22 2016 14:05 GMT
#1217
On October 22 2016 22:52 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 00:38 aQuaSC wrote:
On October 20 2016 00:34 Rollora wrote:
On October 19 2016 12:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 19 2016 12:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
by attrition the importance of TotalBiscuit and BaseTradeTV increases in 2017

Mhm that was the first thing rifkin posted as well, what a nice guy he is.


I think the amount of attention he gets is rather shocking. He covers a lot of cool tourneys, which is nice. But the way he casts, creates content, deals with his viewers and voices his (sometimes shockingly naive) opinion on things is something I can barely watch. I would rather watch hours of tastosis explaining each other how star wars robots make anal sex work (or whatever weird stuff they come up with) then whatever rifkin thinks is a smart thought and says it out. The other girl seems way more professional when it comes to casting. Focuses way more on the game and brings insight however. Hope she has a bright future. I guess she is actually the reason Basetrade is a success. Not because she seems to know stuff, but also increases the channels "aesthetics" (which for sure some will find anti-feminist, or sexist or whatever, but it is the truth. Go ahead and ban me for saying it).

I personally dislike Rifkin too, if I watch something casted on BaseTrade channel it's usually on mute. His taste and sense of humor is too much for me to handle

EDIT: omg am I going to get banned? D:

I don't think I got banned for saying the truth or an opinion (which, in my case, usually is the same), but because I asked for some time off




Opinion=empirically un-measurable sentiment, formulated by one individuals mind, usually emotionally or subjectively. Your statement, even if sarcastic, makes absolutely no sense.
Tobivankenobi94
Profile Joined October 2016
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-22 14:11:37
October 22 2016 14:08 GMT
#1218
maybe GSL become bigger again, maby with new team league and new teams...


and why blizzard makes starcraft 2 not free to play ?

i dont think that any one who realy loves starcraft didnt buy it jet, and maybe some new guys come in the game. (there is nothing to lose)
but if nothing change sc2 will be smaller and smaller

sry for my bad english
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
October 22 2016 15:14 GMT
#1219
I think there are a lot of people who love starcraft who didn't buy lotv, or hots, and probably also quite a bunch who never bought sc2/wol
Gen.Rolly
Profile Joined September 2011
United States200 Posts
October 22 2016 19:26 GMT
#1220
As the long as the game is around, there will be people playing it, watching it, and supporting it. The decline of sc2 is kind of like leaving college. You lose a lot of "friends" but your true friends remain, and your life is no less meaningful (hopefully, haha).
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