• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:28
CEST 20:28
KST 03:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy3uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event14Serral wins EWC 202549Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple5SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments5[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event Rogue Talks: "Koreans could dominate again" Lambo Talks: The Future of SC2 and more... RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
SEL Masters #5 - Korea vs Russia (SC Evo) Enki Epic Series #5 - TaeJa vs Classic (SC Evo) ByuN vs TaeJa Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Global Tourney for College Students in September RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL20 Pre-season Tier List ranking! BSL Polish World Championship 2025 20-21 September BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL Season 20 Ro24 Groups
Tourneys
KCM 2025 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Gaming After Dark: Poor Slee…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 660 users

SC2 Proleague Discontinued; SKT, KT, SGK, CJ disband - Pag…

Forum Index > SC2 General
1381 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 60 61 62 63 64 70 Next
Regardless of the situation, we will still action upon "dead game" comments. As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW. This thread is also not about bashing Blizzard, David Kim, or the WCS system.
Juaks
Profile Joined June 2010
United States384 Posts
October 23 2016 05:04 GMT
#1221
Very sad news.

LoL took over in Korea and nobody cares about SC2 anymore. The comeback of BW is something good but still feels very underground.
I thought SC2 was making some kind of come back with Blizzard announcing big changes into the game. Let's see what Blizzard have to say in Blizzcon about this. They really have to do something to save the scene.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
October 23 2016 05:13 GMT
#1222
Has WCS for 2017 been confirmed? or mentioned?
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
October 23 2016 06:21 GMT
#1223
On October 23 2016 14:04 Juaks wrote:
Very sad news.

LoL took over in Korea and nobody cares about SC2 anymore. The comeback of BW is something good but still feels very underground.
I thought SC2 was making some kind of come back with Blizzard announcing big changes into the game. Let's see what Blizzard have to say in Blizzcon about this. They really have to do something to save the scene.


I bet the subject won't be addressed at BlizzCon. Why would they care to bring it up? They'll only discuss the future of the WCS, I reckon.
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
October 23 2016 06:39 GMT
#1224
On October 23 2016 14:13 Popkiller wrote:
Has WCS for 2017 been confirmed? or mentioned?

I mean, it's assumed/assured it will exist but they don't announce the structure until like December-Feb.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
October 23 2016 06:47 GMT
#1225
I've been away from the scene for months and was very shocked to see this piece of news.

However, I was also surprised to see still "community feedbacks" still discussing the nuances of balance. Just as a comparison, BW was completed and didn't see a balance patch for many years.

This ever constant "tweaking" just makes me feel that Blizzard does not know truly what's going on, or how to permanently make SC2 fun to play and balanced forever.

A very sad news to read indeed.

I can't help but think, if SC2 was not released, if BW original proleague could have lasted this long know too.

Let's hope Blizzard does something drastic to revive the scene.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
October 23 2016 07:10 GMT
#1226
On October 23 2016 15:47 FusionCutter wrote:
I've been away from the scene for months and was very shocked to see this piece of news.

However, I was also surprised to see still "community feedbacks" still discussing the nuances of balance. Just as a comparison, BW was completed and didn't see a balance patch for many years.

This ever constant "tweaking" just makes me feel that Blizzard does not know truly what's going on, or how to permanently make SC2 fun to play and balanced forever.

A very sad news to read indeed.

I can't help but think, if SC2 was not released, if BW original proleague could have lasted this long know too.

Let's hope Blizzard does something drastic to revive the scene.


TBH if things continue as they are going in BW I think SPL might come back in a couple of years. It would be the only right course of action if sponsors and teams come back to SC1. But I have no doubt Proleague is done with SC2 for good. We might get a different team league of sorts, but it certainly won't be as prominent as what we used to have. SC2 competition will rely on individual tournaments for now.
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
October 23 2016 07:30 GMT
#1227
On October 23 2016 16:10 ZiggyPG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2016 15:47 FusionCutter wrote:
I've been away from the scene for months and was very shocked to see this piece of news.

However, I was also surprised to see still "community feedbacks" still discussing the nuances of balance. Just as a comparison, BW was completed and didn't see a balance patch for many years.

This ever constant "tweaking" just makes me feel that Blizzard does not know truly what's going on, or how to permanently make SC2 fun to play and balanced forever.

A very sad news to read indeed.

I can't help but think, if SC2 was not released, if BW original proleague could have lasted this long know too.

Let's hope Blizzard does something drastic to revive the scene.


TBH if things continue as they are going in BW I think SPL might come back in a couple of years. It would be the only right course of action if sponsors and teams come back to SC1. But I have no doubt Proleague is done with SC2 for good. We might get a different team league of sorts, but it certainly won't be as prominent as what we used to have. SC2 competition will rely on individual tournaments for now.

Where the heck are the sponsors gonna come from?
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 23 2016 07:37 GMT
#1228
I think that something to look forward to is more Korean player streams on Afreeca. Innovation and soo have already started and they're quite enjoyable. Perhaps Koreans will start looking like their foreigner counterparts in the way team works (more like agencies than actual teams).


My biggest hope is that the ban on Koreans for international events is lifted so that they get to actually play competitively. There are NO grass root tournaments in Korean like what Kim Phan promised.
maru lover forever
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
October 23 2016 07:43 GMT
#1229
On October 23 2016 16:30 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2016 16:10 ZiggyPG wrote:
On October 23 2016 15:47 FusionCutter wrote:
I've been away from the scene for months and was very shocked to see this piece of news.

However, I was also surprised to see still "community feedbacks" still discussing the nuances of balance. Just as a comparison, BW was completed and didn't see a balance patch for many years.

This ever constant "tweaking" just makes me feel that Blizzard does not know truly what's going on, or how to permanently make SC2 fun to play and balanced forever.

A very sad news to read indeed.

I can't help but think, if SC2 was not released, if BW original proleague could have lasted this long know too.

Let's hope Blizzard does something drastic to revive the scene.


TBH if things continue as they are going in BW I think SPL might come back in a couple of years. It would be the only right course of action if sponsors and teams come back to SC1. But I have no doubt Proleague is done with SC2 for good. We might get a different team league of sorts, but it certainly won't be as prominent as what we used to have. SC2 competition will rely on individual tournaments for now.

Where the heck are the sponsors gonna come from?


ASL was partially sponsored by kt, Jeju Air and VANT. Gotta start small once again
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-23 08:05:39
October 23 2016 08:05 GMT
#1230
On October 23 2016 16:43 ZiggyPG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2016 16:30 Probe1 wrote:
On October 23 2016 16:10 ZiggyPG wrote:
On October 23 2016 15:47 FusionCutter wrote:
I've been away from the scene for months and was very shocked to see this piece of news.

However, I was also surprised to see still "community feedbacks" still discussing the nuances of balance. Just as a comparison, BW was completed and didn't see a balance patch for many years.

This ever constant "tweaking" just makes me feel that Blizzard does not know truly what's going on, or how to permanently make SC2 fun to play and balanced forever.

A very sad news to read indeed.

I can't help but think, if SC2 was not released, if BW original proleague could have lasted this long know too.

Let's hope Blizzard does something drastic to revive the scene.


TBH if things continue as they are going in BW I think SPL might come back in a couple of years. It would be the only right course of action if sponsors and teams come back to SC1. But I have no doubt Proleague is done with SC2 for good. We might get a different team league of sorts, but it certainly won't be as prominent as what we used to have. SC2 competition will rely on individual tournaments for now.

Where the heck are the sponsors gonna come from?


ASL was partially sponsored by kt, Jeju Air and VANT. Gotta start small once again

I dunno. Proleague existed because there was a large scene. I have no doubt Brood War will live in at this point but you're saying that it's going to grow, and become large enough to once again support dozens or hundreds of players.

I like your optimism even if I disagree with it.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
October 23 2016 08:17 GMT
#1231
On October 23 2016 17:05 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2016 16:43 ZiggyPG wrote:
On October 23 2016 16:30 Probe1 wrote:
On October 23 2016 16:10 ZiggyPG wrote:
On October 23 2016 15:47 FusionCutter wrote:
I've been away from the scene for months and was very shocked to see this piece of news.

However, I was also surprised to see still "community feedbacks" still discussing the nuances of balance. Just as a comparison, BW was completed and didn't see a balance patch for many years.

This ever constant "tweaking" just makes me feel that Blizzard does not know truly what's going on, or how to permanently make SC2 fun to play and balanced forever.

A very sad news to read indeed.

I can't help but think, if SC2 was not released, if BW original proleague could have lasted this long know too.

Let's hope Blizzard does something drastic to revive the scene.


TBH if things continue as they are going in BW I think SPL might come back in a couple of years. It would be the only right course of action if sponsors and teams come back to SC1. But I have no doubt Proleague is done with SC2 for good. We might get a different team league of sorts, but it certainly won't be as prominent as what we used to have. SC2 competition will rely on individual tournaments for now.

Where the heck are the sponsors gonna come from?


ASL was partially sponsored by kt, Jeju Air and VANT. Gotta start small once again

I dunno. Proleague existed because there was a large scene. I have no doubt Brood War will live in at this point but you're saying that it's going to grow, and become large enough to once again support dozens or hundreds of players.

I like your optimism even if I disagree with it.


At this point it's basically delusional speculation. But time will tell I guess.

WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
October 23 2016 08:26 GMT
#1232
BW won't return with major large sponsors, unless the game is remastered or remade.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 23 2016 09:06 GMT
#1233
On October 23 2016 17:26 FusionCutter wrote:
BW won't return with major large sponsors, unless the game is remastered or remade.


Isn't Blizzard working on that though?
maru lover forever
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
October 23 2016 09:55 GMT
#1234
http://m.ytn.co.kr/news_view.php?s_mcd=0107&key=201610230001073924&pos=

oov, "I've devoted myself to this for almost 20 yrs. I won't call myself victim; we (*this scene) had a sense of ownership and regarded this as our job, work and home."
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
October 23 2016 10:03 GMT
#1235
Gosh, I hope ppl like oov and h.o.t forever stick around and try to make things work :/
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51460 Posts
October 23 2016 10:29 GMT
#1236
On October 23 2016 18:55 Thouhastmail wrote:
http://m.ytn.co.kr/news_view.php?s_mcd=0107&key=201610230001073924&pos=

oov, "I've devoted myself to this for almost 20 yrs. I won't call myself victim; we (*this scene) had a sense of ownership and regarded this as our job, work and home."


video
Commentator
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
October 23 2016 10:33 GMT
#1237
On October 23 2016 19:29 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2016 18:55 Thouhastmail wrote:
http://m.ytn.co.kr/news_view.php?s_mcd=0107&key=201610230001073924&pos=

oov, "I've devoted myself to this for almost 20 yrs. I won't call myself victim; we (*this scene) had a sense of ownership and regarded this as our job, work and home."


video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BrBbd0HJnk


And they're still implying that MVP disbanded :<
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 23 2016 11:54 GMT
#1238
I think that the scene took a blow but that the people still in are going to continue working on things.
maru lover forever
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
October 23 2016 12:41 GMT
#1239
On October 23 2016 18:06 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2016 17:26 FusionCutter wrote:
BW won't return with major large sponsors, unless the game is remastered or remade.


Isn't Blizzard working on that though?

It rumoured, but not confirmed. But the rumours said it would be announced September.. Hopefully its true and they'll show it at blizcon. The only real problem I have with BW for spectating is how dog ugly it is by modern standards.
I've always wondered nobody made an observer client to make it look better for spectators. But hell everyone watches LoL and that looks terrible to me, so what do I know...

I remember that Dustin Browder interview where he said the fans told them to "Remake broodwar in 3D and don't mess it up" but he went on to explain he knew better. Hard to know if that would have been better or worse though, you'd have had a smaller player base in the early days for sure.

Perhaps the scene will benefit from not having the bonjwa factory in Korea. The players will probably be better off getting on with their lives than betting it all on a game with too many pro players for the money on offer.
我的媽和她的瘋狂的外甥都
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-23 13:05:23
October 23 2016 13:01 GMT
#1240
On October 22 2016 21:21 sparklyresidue wrote:
I'd be curious for *someone else* to figure out what such an event would cost, piece by piece, just to see if it would be feasible.


I can't speak for the entire proleague season, but from my knowledge, a week/weekend long event, even how small the http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/NEO_Star_League_2016_Season_1/International was (no qualifier, played entirely in a small studio), costs in the range of $300K-500K. The organizers also talked about crowdfunding an offline Kung Fu Cup, but they said they probably need something around 2 milion CNY total plus their own investment and sponsors for it to happen. Offline events are extremely expensive, there is no doubt in that.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Prev 1 60 61 62 63 64 70 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
17:00
S2: Europe Server Qualifier
CranKy Ducklings512
iHatsuTV 16
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .231
BRAT_OK 125
ProTech81
Rex 75
MindelVK 46
Stormgate
TKL 160
UpATreeSC121
Dota 2
Gorgc8447
Dendi1358
420jenkins301
Counter-Strike
fl0m2069
qojqva1874
pashabiceps571
Foxcn209
Other Games
Grubby731
ceh9618
Beastyqt473
B2W.Neo372
XaKoH 166
C9.Mang0152
ArmadaUGS150
Trikslyr53
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta14
• Reevou 5
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 2
• HerbMon 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Nemesis4850
League of Legends
• Jankos1702
• TFBlade618
Other Games
• imaqtpie1442
• Shiphtur325
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
5h 32m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
16h 32m
The PondCast
1d 15h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Online Event
3 days
SC Evo League
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
CSO Contender
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
SC Evo League
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Sharp vs Ample
Larva vs Stork
Wardi Open
5 days
RotterdaM Event
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
JyJ vs TY
Bisu vs Speed
WardiTV Summer Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

StarCon 2025 Philadelphia
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 20
CSLAN 3
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.