Tempest rushing is a huge issue on the testmap - Page 4

On October 09 2016 12:29 parkufarku wrote:


Then try building a different infrastructure path?

My god, you Terrans will never change. Instead of adapting or trying new strategies, you whine until other races get nerfed to the ground. Good job, no wonder SC2 is dying since your real option of being a successful gamer is being a Terran player.

On October 09 2016 12:29 parkufarku wrote:
Good job, no wonder SC2 is dying since your real option of being a successful gamer is being a Terran player.

On October 10 2016 12:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Air units work best as supplementary units. Once they become the core unit then the game becomes really bad and bland because air units by their nature are uninteractive. They don't interact with terrain much and there are lots of units in the game that they simply hardcounter because a lot of units can not shoot up.

On October 10 2016 12:56 FoxDog wrote:


Thank you, yet another voice of reason i dont get why david kim doesnt do whats right...

On October 10 2016 14:45 Djzapz wrote:

I don't necessarily entirely agree with the idea. The tempest certainly is concerning but there have been many instances of air units as the core of an army have been interesting, like mutalisks in SCBW which managed to be cool despite the lack of interaction with the terrain, and tech swaps to carriers. Both of those involved some impressive micro, especially in the case of mutalisks. Mutas in ZvZ were just complete nutso.

On October 08 2016 03:41 Th1rdEye wrote:
I kinda agree with the power of air units in SC2.

Been playing BW lately only... Mutalisks can die to turrets and marines, irradiate etc... Wraiths die to spores/turret etc, Scouts/Sairs can be defended. All the air units in BW can be countered relatively easily.. Mass carrier sair is still tough but there are still ways to deal with it pretty easily if you dont micro right.

All the air units have their places but aren't super OP. A dropship is slow enough to be caught if you're scouting properly etc. Protoss speed shuttles are fast but in BW you wont just straight up lose a game because u lost a mineral line of workers.

. I played since Beta of WOL.

On October 10 2016 14:45 Djzapz wrote:

I don't necessarily entirely agree with the idea. The tempest certainly is concerning but there have been many instances of air units as the core of an army have been interesting, like mutalisks in SCBW which managed to be cool despite the lack of interaction with the terrain, and tech swaps to carriers. Both of those involved some impressive micro, especially in the case of mutalisks. Mutas in ZvZ were just complete nutso.

On October 08 2016 03:31 Beelzebub1 wrote:
Yea I'm not too sure why they need more information, play a few games vs Protoss or look on any thread regarding the test map and Tempests are heavily complained about, I'm one of those complainers lol the ability lasts WAAY too long and is WAAY too good at shutting down mineral lines, like this game really needs yet another unit that massacres economy T__T

I guess what I meant to say was, "Like this game needs yet another aerial unit that requires an extremely specific response or it's gg" like pretty much every other air unit in the game.

Mutalisks? OP as shit and has required so many band aid buffs that now they aren't even viable because they threat of them being viable is enough to force a blind counter (Opening Stargate) or kill them before Spire (2 base allins)

Liberators? Massacres drones, massacres all aerial units except dedicated anti - air units like the Corruptor with carapace upgrades and good splits. Required band aid buffs to actually have a non ludicrous place in the game

Oracles? Ending games with proxy nonsense since HOTS and it's even more strong in LOTV due to kick started economy. Incinerates workers too fast to even react, incinerates small groups of light units too fast to micro against, OP vision granting abilities that last for almost a minute.

Void Rays? Pretty much had to be nerfed to shit because they are the ultimate snow ball out of control unit that is only countered by money fungals

Carriers? So strong that even high level Zergs usually just get lucky when they defeat this composition in mass, I'm never going to have unit control like Snute and he barely scrapes by the skin of his teeth vs mass Carrier turtle Protoss.

Brood lords? So strong that they renamed the expansion Lings of Liberty because combined with Fungals was utterly unstoppable

Does anyone see a recurring theme here? It's not just Tempests (which the OP is totally justified in complaining about) it's just fucking air units in general. They are too damn strong, and they are especially too damn strong vs economy, a big part of what makes LOTV so punishing and oppressive to play at times.

On October 10 2016 15:19 RoomOfMush wrote:

Mutalisks were not core army units in BW. Mutalisk die to almost every anti-air unit in the game in a fair fight. They get evaporated by the anti-air of T and P especially.
The benefit of Mutalisks in BW was that they didnt need to fight fair. They could kite their low-range (marine) enemies, abuse terrain (against dragoons for example) and always threaten the opponent with a back stab while the zerg player was bunkering up behind static defense.

On October 09 2016 19:00 MockHamill wrote:
Yeah I stopped playing the testmap due to Tempest and mass Swarmhosts.

What is the point of trying to make mech viable if you introduce broken things like that?

I do not understand why Blizzard makes changes that makes the game worse.

It would have been sufficient to
1. Remove Tankivacs
2. Increase tank damage
3. Increase Tempest supply to 6.

No other changes are needed and they may just introduce unnecessary problems like mass swarmhost games or Tempest storming your mineral lines.

On October 10 2016 15:19 RoomOfMush wrote:

Mutalisks were not core army units in BW. Mutalisk die to almost every anti-air unit in the game in a fair fight. They get evaporated by the anti-air of T and P especially.
The benefit of Mutalisks in BW was that they didnt need to fight fair. They could kite their low-range (marine) enemies, abuse terrain (against dragoons for example) and always threaten the opponent with a back stab while the zerg player was bunkering up behind static defense.

On October 10 2016 08:17 Lexender wrote:


It does, actually, deals splash damage.

On October 10 2016 15:34 todespolka wrote:


A fair fight can mean a lot. Mutas were not that bad. But the strength of air units comes from stacking, which gives them a huge advantage (X units attacking 1 unit).

On October 10 2016 21:37 Djzapz wrote:

It's specific to ZvZ, they could be a core unit then and IMO it's would be one of the more interesting ways in which ZvZ could be played, especially when devourers and queens started to come out.

On October 10 2016 09:02 Athenau wrote:


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments

2016 Premier Tournament Victories:

6Z, 6P, 3T

2016 Premier Tournament Runner-ups:

6Z, 6P, 3T

2015 Premier Tournament Victories:

7Z, 11P, 4T

2015 Premier Tournament Runner-ups:

13Z, 6P, 3T

Being immune to pesky things like "numbers" and "facts" must be pleasant. Unfortunately reality isn't so accommodating to the rest of us.

On October 10 2016 22:06 Phaenoman wrote:

What? I am talking about the basic attack. There is no splash.