• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:08
CEST 20:08
KST 03:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes155BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon Why Storm Should NOT Be Nerfed – A Core Part of Pr
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Stellar Fest KSL Week 80 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Soulkey on ASL S20 ASL20 General Discussion BW General Discussion Diplomacy, Cosmonarchy Edition
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch [ASL20] Ro16 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1989 users

Patch 3.7 Preview: Separate MMR Per Race - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
122 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
September 29 2016 21:03 GMT
#41
On September 30 2016 05:59 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 05:49 -Archangel- wrote:
Main reason why I stopped playing ladder is that I didn't enjoy ZvZ and had no way to skip that matchup. Wake me up when you are able to choose what races to play again on ladder. zzzzzz

That seems incredibly broken for ranked matchmaking.


next up, separate matchup MMR
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 29 2016 21:03 GMT
#42
goddamn finally
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 21:04:16
September 29 2016 21:03 GMT
#43
On September 30 2016 05:59 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 05:49 -Archangel- wrote:
Main reason why I stopped playing ladder is that I didn't enjoy ZvZ and had no way to skip that matchup. Wake me up when you are able to choose what races to play again on ladder. zzzzzz

That seems incredibly broken for ranked matchmaking.

It's also not a great idea because the races aren't equally divided. On most levels Protoss is the least common race (exceptions being Bronze, Silver & GM) while Terran and Zerg are about even. You will greatly increase your queue times by removing a race, especially when you consider other people might not like playing against your race.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 21:07:57
September 29 2016 21:05 GMT
#44
On September 30 2016 03:40 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 02:26 geokilla wrote:
On September 30 2016 02:24 phodacbiet wrote:
Ah, after 6 years. The technology is finally here.

Too little too late.

I don't see how its too little too late. Are you saying there's going to be no one that's going to find this useful? That couldn't be further from the truth.

Because people asked for this for five years and it is trivial to implement, and there is a recent pattern of Blizzard finally giving in to community requests after ignoring them for no reason for years.

I think there must be a reason for this, presumably along the lines of: "oh we can't add improvements to the game because it might confuse precious casuals" but now they feel like just implementing community suggestions is cheap content to produce and there are no casual players left anyway.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Dungeontay
Profile Joined December 2015
126 Posts
September 29 2016 21:12 GMT
#45
6 years later....
still nice to have (now)
finally i can play terran, zerg and adept on one server
Zzz
SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France897 Posts
September 29 2016 21:15 GMT
#46
On September 30 2016 06:12 Dungeontay wrote:
6 years later....
still nice to have (now)
finally i can play terran, zerg and adept on one server


Heres a cookie. You made me laugh! :D
Stephano and Clem enjoyer
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4178 Posts
September 29 2016 21:20 GMT
#47
On September 30 2016 06:05 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 03:40 lestye wrote:
On September 30 2016 02:26 geokilla wrote:
On September 30 2016 02:24 phodacbiet wrote:
Ah, after 6 years. The technology is finally here.

Too little too late.

I don't see how its too little too late. Are you saying there's going to be no one that's going to find this useful? That couldn't be further from the truth.

Because people asked for this for five years and it is trivial to implement, and there is a recent pattern of Blizzard finally giving in to community requests after ignoring them for no reason for years.

I think there must be a reason for this, presumably along the lines of: "oh we can't add improvements to the game because it might confuse precious casuals" but now they feel like just implementing community suggestions is cheap content to produce and there are no casual players left anyway.

Trivial? I don't know about that.

Maybe its not trivial ? And maybe the returns of such a feature is not as high as you would think. Unranked matchmaking, which was lauded as incredibly important because the precious casuals can't handle ladder anxiety didn't exactly create the 2nd renaissance of the game.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
September 29 2016 21:44 GMT
#48
On September 30 2016 02:24 phodacbiet wrote:
Ah, after 6 years. The technology is finally here.

Almost. Crazy how slowly they are developing. Its hard to watch. Every year since the release I hope "maybe this game will finally get good, maybe it will finally be the game I waited for so long". But it still isn't. Multiplayer against some races is still too frustrating because of the amount of possible bullshit you can play and that a single misclick can cost you the game no matter how much ahead you were before.

So in addition to different MMR per race I would have hoped that even if you play your main race, you have different MMR not only for the race you play but also the race you play against. For instance: Lets assume my main is Terran: My TvZ is great but since cheese is very ez to pull off and sometimes hard to defend, I lose a lot against bullshit-tosses. So I want a different MMR for that. Same for Terran, as basically I don't play TvT, I leave it at the first second cause sometimes even if you won a game the opponent plays ultradefensive and just costs you time, so it frustrates me to win that game in a very slow manner. And many more situations where I would like having a different MMR not for each race but for each matchup.

I know this would be even harder to implement, but there is still hope.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
September 29 2016 21:48 GMT
#49
On September 30 2016 03:34 esReveR wrote:
FINALLY!!! I have been waiting for separate MMRs since it was announced last Blizzcon. Can't wait for patch day!
F*ck it has already been a year?
I need to get a job at Blizzard. With my working speed I would fit in there perfectly...
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 21:50:02
September 29 2016 21:49 GMT
#50
Does this apply for all expansion or just lotv? because i would love to play HOTS with this. no adepts, liberators, 9 billion armor ultra;'s etc.
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 21:59:00
September 29 2016 21:55 GMT
#51
On September 30 2016 02:26 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 02:24 phodacbiet wrote:
Ah, after 6 years. The technology is finally here.

Too little too late.


Dude, don't complain. The technology just wasn't there yet before.

Someday, maybe we'll be able to play SC2 over a local area network (LAN). It is really cutting edge tech, but imagine tournaments never having to deal with network issues or DDOS attacks. Good things take time though.

On September 30 2016 06:48 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 03:34 esReveR wrote:
FINALLY!!! I have been waiting for separate MMRs since it was announced last Blizzcon. Can't wait for patch day!
F*ck it has already been a year?
I need to get a job at Blizzard. With my working speed I would fit in there perfectly...


Two posts on this forum in one day? That is way too much for Blizzard... Davyie can only handle one post per month, and he demands his posts be in his special blue color like his birthday cake and his favorite underwear.

So yeah, I don't think you are qualified.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
September 29 2016 22:01 GMT
#52
Well, people claiming they can get masters/gm with race X, which is not their main, would be able to prove it now.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
September 29 2016 22:07 GMT
#53
On September 30 2016 06:03 Jer99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 05:59 lestye wrote:
On September 30 2016 05:49 -Archangel- wrote:
Main reason why I stopped playing ladder is that I didn't enjoy ZvZ and had no way to skip that matchup. Wake me up when you are able to choose what races to play again on ladder. zzzzzz

That seems incredibly broken for ranked matchmaking.


next up, separate matchup MMR


I might be a ghost then.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
September 29 2016 22:10 GMT
#54
Finally. Best patch ever.
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 22:30:40
September 29 2016 22:13 GMT
#55
Cannon rushes incoming

as a frequent offracer I'm so hyped for this now I can see on my own server with good latency how far my protoss cannon rushes can carry me, I'm hoping to masters. So I can claim my p is as strong as my t.

It was fun to get to diamond on kr with 50% cannon Rush but im super excited to try it on Na this time I won't quite if I lose a game and do some other strat! Thanks Bliz.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
Matte3D
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden26 Posts
September 29 2016 22:16 GMT
#56
So much negativity in this thread. I am hyped for this :D:D
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada948 Posts
September 29 2016 22:21 GMT
#57
On September 30 2016 05:49 -Archangel- wrote:
Main reason why I stopped playing ladder is that I didn't enjoy ZvZ and had no way to skip that matchup. Wake me up when you are able to choose what races to play again on ladder. zzzzzz


lol that's a terrible idea
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
September 29 2016 22:22 GMT
#58
On September 30 2016 06:20 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 06:05 Grumbels wrote:
On September 30 2016 03:40 lestye wrote:
On September 30 2016 02:26 geokilla wrote:
On September 30 2016 02:24 phodacbiet wrote:
Ah, after 6 years. The technology is finally here.

Too little too late.

I don't see how its too little too late. Are you saying there's going to be no one that's going to find this useful? That couldn't be further from the truth.

Because people asked for this for five years and it is trivial to implement, and there is a recent pattern of Blizzard finally giving in to community requests after ignoring them for no reason for years.

I think there must be a reason for this, presumably along the lines of: "oh we can't add improvements to the game because it might confuse precious casuals" but now they feel like just implementing community suggestions is cheap content to produce and there are no casual players left anyway.

Trivial? I don't know about that.

Maybe its not trivial ? And maybe the returns of such a feature is not as high as you would think. Unranked matchmaking, which was lauded as incredibly important because the precious casuals can't handle ladder anxiety didn't exactly create the 2nd renaissance of the game.

Nobody says it is super important but it is just nice to have and common sense. And don't tell me that professional programmers can't code a separate mmr per race within like half an hour.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
September 29 2016 22:30 GMT
#59
This sounds great for the Gheeds of the world. I too can see myself cannon rushing more as a result.
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 22:32:39
September 29 2016 22:31 GMT
#60
Sorry I acedently quoted myself like a noob.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:05
FSL Archon Mode Competition
Freeedom8
Liquipedia
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
08:00
Day 1 - Group Stages
ZZZero.O221
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
JuggernautJason120
MindelVK 83
IndyStarCraft 50
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 27791
Calm 2789
Rain 2526
firebathero 302
ZZZero.O 221
Dewaltoss 71
soO 43
Rock 40
ivOry 34
ajuk12(nOOB) 20
[ Show more ]
Hm[arnc] 15
yabsab 5
Stormgate
BeoMulf67
Dota 2
qojqva3882
singsing3485
Dendi1389
Fuzer 232
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1040
fl0m882
Fnx 76
byalli0
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor281
Other Games
tarik_tv13557
FrodaN2516
Grubby2484
Mlord368
KnowMe321
Hui .198
ToD158
XaKoH 108
Trikslyr69
TKL 64
NeuroSwarm48
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1372
gamesdonequick628
StarCraft 2
angryscii 33
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 69
• Adnapsc2 10
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach30
• FirePhoenix19
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4206
• masondota2820
League of Legends
• Nemesis3048
Other Games
• imaqtpie556
• WagamamaTV258
• Shiphtur170
Upcoming Events
OSC
2h 52m
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
13h 52m
RSL Revival
15h 52m
Classic vs TBD
WardiTV Invitational
16h 52m
Online Event
21h 52m
Wardi Open
1d 16h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 21h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Clem vs Reynor
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.