EPTAll it does is sour a good moment.
Who the hell wants to read aimless negativity on every single Blizzard post about Starcraft?
Patch 3.7 Preview: Separate MMR Per Race - Page 5
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NMxSardines
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All it does is sour a good moment. Who the hell wants to read aimless negativity on every single Blizzard post about Starcraft? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18038 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Corvuuss
Austria354 Posts
The thing I find it amazing is that people would never have said "god why didn't blizzard do something like different mmr years ago?" without there being a post about it coming now. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On September 30 2016 06:03 Elentos wrote: It's also not a great idea because the races aren't equally divided. On most levels Protoss is the least common race (exceptions being Bronze, Silver & GM) while Terran and Zerg are about even. You will greatly increase your queue times by removing a race, especially when you consider other people might not like playing against your race. Between not playing and longer queue I will chose longer queue. As for fear of breaking ranking, it can be an option in unranked but will use real MMR behind it. And I will be able to fight vs ranked players but I will not gain or lose points no matter the result. Because now every ZvZ is me either doing quick pool and 6 lings+all drones attack or just quitting within 5s. I lose 3+ minutes per each ZvZ I get and it irritates more and more. After a while I just stopped playing completely due to having sessions where I would get 4-5 ZvZ in a row when I only had 1-2 hours to play sc2. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3561 Posts
Without Unranked we would get a lot less missmatches. What does people think about Unranked post this patch? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On September 30 2016 17:16 ejozl wrote: I feel like unranked is not even needed anymore, probably people will still use it for main race, when they feel lazy, but maybe there's too many different MMR's when you include Unranked? Without Unranked we would get a lot less missmatches. What does people think about Unranked post this patch? yeah probably not needed anymore except maybe for casuals with "ladder anxiety" | ||
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DeFNos
Netherlands11 Posts
On September 30 2016 13:46 NMxSardines wrote: I am annoyed that after some point any good news coming from Blizzard in relation to Starcraft 2 must always be received with a fuckton of passive aggression from fans. What's the goal of it? What does wallowing over fantastical (and often unrealistic) visions of 'what Starcraft 2 could've been' accomplish? All it does is sour a good moment. Who the hell wants to read aimless negativity on every single Blizzard post about Starcraft? +1 All the negativity... even reddit is more positive. | ||
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Deleted User 197942
Romania151 Posts
Even though I agree this could've been done earlier, it's still good nonetheless. | ||
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Turi
Germany86 Posts
On September 30 2016 13:46 NMxSardines wrote: I am annoyed that after some point any good news coming from Blizzard in relation to Starcraft 2 must always be received with a fuckton of passive aggression from fans. What's the goal of it? What does wallowing over fantastical (and often unrealistic) visions of 'what Starcraft 2 could've been' accomplish? All it does is sour a good moment. Who the hell wants to read aimless negativity on every single Blizzard post about Starcraft? If you buy a house that is missing a interior wall between bedroom and living room, do you also greet your contractor with cake when he comes 5 years later to put the wall in? I mean, complaining that he did nothing for five years would be souring a good moment. Just because blizzard does what it should have done from the start and promised to do over a year ago, does not mean I will praise them for it, even when I am still happy to get it. | ||
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PPN
France248 Posts
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Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
On September 30 2016 17:49 Turi wrote: If you buy a house that is missing a interior wall between bedroom and living room, do you also greet your contractor with cake when he comes 5 years later to put the wall in? I mean, complaining that he did nothing for five years would be souring a good moment. Just because blizzard does what it should have done from the start and promised to do over a year ago, does not mean I will praise them for it, even when I am still happy to get it. Is that really a fair comparison? Did anyone think that separate race MMR was a must have on release? I doubt it. I doubt anyone even though of having it at the time. I thought SC2 was, and is still an incredibly fun and complete game, to me this is an extra feature, like gravy on fries | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On September 30 2016 18:11 Jer99 wrote: Is that really a fair comparison? Did anyone think that separate race MMR was a must have on release? I doubt it. I doubt anyone even though of having it at the time. I thought SC2 was, and is still an incredibly fun and complete game, to me this is an extra feature, like gravy on fries There were many missing things that people balked at from separate races rankings, to cross region support, to even chat channels. Is it really helpful to drag all this up and brood on how Blizzard failed? Or how its competitors were able to almost easily capitalize on their mistakes and create titanic competitive games with legions of dissatisfied Starcraft 2 players bolstering their player base? It doesn't help. I'm glad it's here, even if it's something that was asked for from the very beginning and they only have added it now in the twilight years. I can complain. I have shown that complaints are in my mind. But I will not focus on them and I will enjoy the opportunity given. Even if it's late. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On September 30 2016 18:11 Jer99 wrote: Is that really a fair comparison? Did anyone think that separate race MMR was a must have on release? Would you say the same thing about things that were in SC1 and werent in SC2 at its release? Or other Blizzard games before SC2? Automated tournaments, chat channels, etc, there were so many things that HAD to be in the game at its release to not be a step back! Maybe MMR seperate per race is not one of these things. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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ETisME
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todespolka
221 Posts
On September 30 2016 05:11 Beelzebub1 wrote: I love that they are putting them in but I can't really deny this, these just all strike me as features that should have been in the game from the get go when it was in it's prime, now that SC2 is kind of like actually dying it all just seems like a moot point. At worst it looks like blizzard is finally realizing that the games popularity is rapidly dwindling and now they are scrambling to bring people back. It will start with replacing David Kim with someone more competent, plain and simple. Even the new patch is just going to create massive amounts of new balance issues that will take many patches to iron out and all we'll get is a neutered watered down version of the original thing. These comments can only come from people who have no idea how the world works. You cant work on everything at once. That should be clear to anyone! The developement of hots and lotv was the priority and you should be able to understand why. When it comes to features, you can always say these and that should be in the game from the start. There are maybe 100 more features which you could improve and/or implement. Can you implement them all at once? Hell no! How would that work? Maybe it works in your fantasy. Maybe they should hire you! You would do such a better job! I stopped visiting sc2 forums because of these whiners, complainers, haters and short minded guys. Sc2 forums are hell! I am sure i am not alone. This will happen until only negative people are left. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5524 Posts
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JackONeill
861 Posts
On September 30 2016 20:30 todespolka wrote: These comments can only come from people who have no idea how the world works. You cant work on everything at once. That should be clear to anyone! The developement of hots and lotv was the priority and you should be able to understand why. When it comes to features, you can always say these and that should be in the game from the start. There are maybe 100 more features which you could improve and/or implement. Can you implement them all at once? Hell no! How would that work? Maybe it works in your fantasy. Maybe they should hire you! You would do such a better job! I stopped visiting sc2 forums because of these whiners, complainers, haters and short minded guys. Sc2 forums are hell! I am sure i am not alone. This will happen until only negative people are left. That's a heavy load of BS. Work on everything at the same time? Blizzard is supposed, as a major gaming company, to deliver a complete product. I can excuse that the first release of STALKER was buggy as hell because it was done by a potato developper. I can't excuse it from a company that's been harvesting shitons of cash from WoW and Diablo III (which was also incomplete on release and a total rip off). LOTV was supposed to have a long beta phase where a whole lot of stuff was promised (solving the issues that were present since WOL). What did we end up with? Adepts everywhere, heavy camp ZvT, liberator abuse, and pro players right clicking units into mineral lines to kill workers all the fucking time. Granted, the next patch looks like it'll solve some amount of problems. But when blizz was to take a look on HOTS photon overcharge, is the LOTV one better in design? Absolutely fucking not, it can even be used offensively. Is the new economy better? Meh, arguably : the 12 workers start is decent, but overall the mins/gaz per base decrease punishes not expanding more than it grants advantages for having more bases than your opponent. But releasing LOTV in time for christmas was much more important than delivering a game that answered the issues blizz promised it would. Keeping a somewhat reasonnable and sensible opinion on blizz's attitude towards SC2 is difficult. There is a good amount of blind fanboys so lost in their idolatry that they can't see how much cash they're dumping into mediocre expansions. People that feel like "blizzard are doing what they can" and that they "can't do everything at once". Well maybe, just maybe, for a multi million dollars company, you can expect more than a change every 3 months. Maybe you can expect better design than shooting supply. Overall when discussing with these people, it's understandable that many end up bitter and annoyed. On the bright side, it's true that since the community summit and the test map, things are moving a little faster and blizz is showing good will recently. | ||
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Anvil666
Germany122 Posts
On September 30 2016 21:47 JackONeill wrote: That's a heavy load of BS. Work on everything at the same time? Blizzard is supposed, as a major gaming company, to deliver a complete product. I can excuse that the first release of STALKER was buggy as hell because it was done by a potato developper. I can't excuse it from a company that's been harvesting shitons of cash from WoW and Diablo III (which was also incomplete on release and a total rip off). LOTV was supposed to have a long beta phase where a whole lot of stuff was promised (solving the issues that were present since WOL). What did we end up with? Adepts everywhere, heavy camp ZvT, liberator abuse, and pro players right clicking units into mineral lines to kill workers all the fucking time. Granted, the next patch looks like it'll solve some amount of problems. But when blizz was to take a look on HOTS photon overcharge, is the LOTV one better in design? Absolutely fucking not, it can even be used offensively. Is the new economy better? Meh, arguably : the 12 workers start is decent, but overall the mins/gaz per base decrease punishes not expanding more than it grants advantages for having more bases than your opponent. But releasing LOTV in time for christmas was much more important than delivering a game that answered the issues blizz promised it would. Keeping a somewhat reasonnable and sensible opinion on blizz's attitude towards SC2 is difficult. There is a good amount of blind fanboys so lost in their idolatry that they can't see how much cash they're dumping into mediocre expansions. People that feel like "blizzard are doing what they can" and that they "can't do everything at once". Well maybe, just maybe, for a multi million dollars company, you can expect more than a change every 3 months. Maybe you can expect better design than shooting supply. Overall when discussing with these people, it's understandable that many end up bitter and annoyed. On the bright side, it's true that since the community summit and the test map, things are moving a little faster and blizz is showing good will recently. Just because they didn't implement everything into the game that you or some other people wanted doesn't mean that blizz has failed at LOTV. It's certainly the best version of the game and with the new patch it's getting even better. They might not have had LAN support and they didn't react quite fast enough on swarm hosts, but this negativity we're seeing here is just fucking ridiculous. You have to bear in mind that a lot of people - community people, content creators, the company itself - are putting in a ton of effort into starcraft. When they're met with this constant toxicty it's no wonder to me that they decide to leave. This has been said a million times before, but it's so true: If people really hate the game and the developers so much, just leave for christ's sake. There's tons of alternatives out there. | ||
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