EPTDark: "Nerchio will show nothing impressive." - Page 5
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Ppjack
Belgium489 Posts
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Penev
28536 Posts
On September 27 2016 02:26 TheHumanLife wrote: I understand that community definitely needs such things. Because even in Korean community, people like to troll and trash talk each other about players in GSL or SSL. Usually, in our memories, the best foreigners we know are IdrA and Stephano during WOL. But after HotS, we can't find anyone yet. But a lot of people say Snute has been showing most impressive plays among foreigners. Idra? Don't you mean NaNiwa? Idra didn't perform that well, I mean Ret won more for example.. | ||
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SKN1995
Japan204 Posts
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Sogetsu
514 Posts
Also IdrA played there since BW at CJ, so people were used to know him for being good not only in SC2 | ||
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SKN1995
Japan204 Posts
On September 27 2016 04:34 Sogetsu wrote: Man everyone know how good IdrA was in his time, and he always competed against the best players, you can't compare him with Ret. Also IdrA played there since BW at CJ, so people were used to know him for being good not only in SC2 Yeah IdrA did so well in Proleague and individual leagues - oh wait he didnt stand a chance against anyone decent. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 26 2016 23:56 Nerchio wrote: I don't understand why they ask random Koreans about me but it's fine I guess Use it to feed your skill please. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On September 27 2016 04:34 Sogetsu wrote: Man everyone know how good IdrA was in his time, and he always competed against the best players, you can't compare him with Ret. Also IdrA played there since BW at CJ, so people were used to know him for being good not only in SC2 inform yourself www.esportsearnings.com Ret even won Dreamhack summer in 2009, he was considered one of the top foreign bw players. I mentioned Ret because he had a comparable career to Idra but there are several players that did better than him in SC2 (and thus Idra as well). Idra was a good player of course but people really remember him being more successful than he was because of his temper. | ||
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GrandSmurf
Netherlands462 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16089 Posts
because earnings are the only relevant metric to rank a player | ||
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SeriousLus
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SKN1995
Japan204 Posts
On September 27 2016 05:04 Charoisaur wrote: because earnings are the only relevant metric to rank a player well if someone doesnt understand the game, it's easy to point to results or earnings as to determine which player is better | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On September 27 2016 05:04 Charoisaur wrote: because earnings are the only relevant metric to rank a player I didn't say that wtf I saw close to if not all the big tournaments since the beta, Idra was good but there were others who deserve more praise than him, certainly NaNi does. Also, I hope you agree that results do actually matter? On September 27 2016 05:06 SKN1995 wrote: well if someone doesnt understand the game, it's easy to point to results or earnings as to determine which player is better So you think Idra was clearly the better player than Ret? Most would say they're very close in skill level, including themselves. | ||
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Setsunai
12 Posts
On September 27 2016 05:05 SeriousLus wrote: 12 hours till we finally get to see the first decent Korean vs non Korean games of the year.. lets see about that "closing gap in skill" then and there^^^^^^^^^^ If you want some great global SC2 content you should be watching Shoutcraft. I didn't think much of Nerchio but after seeing his streak I believe! I can see him making a pretty deep run. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16089 Posts
On September 27 2016 04:42 Penev wrote: inform yourself www.esportsearnings.com Ret even won Dreamhack summer in 2009, he was considered one of the top foreign bw players. I mentioned Ret because he had a comparable career to Idra but there are several players that did better than him in SC2 (and thus Idra as well). Idra was a good player of course but people really remember him being more successful than he was because of his temper. in terms of the perception koreans have of foreigners I can understand IdrA being very high up there. he was a regular Code S player, defeated a bunch of strong koreans at MLGs and people knew him from BW. HuK and Naniwa should still be ahead of him though even in this regard. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 27 2016 05:06 SKN1995 wrote: well if someone doesnt understand the game, it's easy to point to results or earnings as to determine which player is better Yep, I think if you can look at only one type of data to classify historically the best players, without a doubt, the best way to do so would be to look at their earnings. | ||
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ZertoN
Germany214 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16089 Posts
On September 27 2016 05:24 FiWiFaKi wrote: Yep, I think if you can look at only one type of data to classify historically the best players, without a doubt, the best way to do so would be to look at their earnings. yes agreed, Polt truly had a more succesful career than Mvp /s GSL/SSL finishes are a much more accurate metric. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On September 27 2016 05:16 Charoisaur wrote: in terms of the perception koreans have of foreigners I can understand IdrA being very high up there. he was a regular Code S player, defeated a bunch of strong koreans at MLGs and people knew him from BW. HuK and Naniwa should still be ahead of him though even in this regard. so you actually agree | ||
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SKN1995
Japan204 Posts
On September 27 2016 05:24 FiWiFaKi wrote: Yep, I think if you can look at only one type of data to classify historically the best players, without a doubt, the best way to do so would be to look at their earnings. I very much agree with you - it's just that it's an incredibly horrible way to go about it compared to actually having a clue about the game and looking at how well the players played. Edit: As Charoisaur pointed out, obviously judging by earnings only makes sense if you're comparing players who have attended the same tournaments xD | ||
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SKN1995
Japan204 Posts
On September 27 2016 05:08 Penev wrote: I didn't say that wtf I saw close to if not all the big tournaments since the beta, Idra was good but there were others who deserve more praise than him, certainly NaNi does. Also, I hope you agree that results do actually matter? So you think Idra was clearly the better player than Ret? Most would say they're very close in skill level, including themselves. I hadnt said anything yet about which of those two players I consider better. But if you ask me: As far as I'm concerned, neither at their time had a chance against the best in BW. As far as SC2 goes, I think they both were far from ever playing as well as the best Zergs throughout SC2. | ||
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