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Honestly, I don't even see the point in these threads. There is nothing to be done about it considering TCM is defunct.
Sure it serves to inform us of another unfortunate Korean that was stiffed, but in all honesty we don't know the entire story. We likely never will also.
It isn't even a cautionary tale, because this shit still keeps happening. And for someone to learn from it, they would need the whole story. Even when we get the other side, the whole story is still inconsistent.
And no we aren't victim blaming, because this isn't some form of slavery or rape. In no way are any of these progamers forced to play for these teams. It is unfortunate that it happened, but the responsibility is on their shoulders too. Of course the team is responsible, but the interaction between a team and player is a two way street. Both sides need to act accordingly, and hold the other accountable.
Would a union help in this situation? Perhaps, but who will start the union? How will the union receive funds to continue? Is it feasible in the current situation? People that advocate a union is necessary won't put the effort into starting it, through no fault of their own.
Can a lawyer help? Of course, but at what stage they are employed is very important. After the fact, a lawyer will incur phenomenal fees. Could they be employed to read a contract to ensure fairness before signing? That would certainly be cheaper, but they still need to find a lawyer that can speak Korean and the language the contract is drafted. There would still be a cost.
Regardless, hearing these sad stories is losing its effect on the feels. Lets just hope the next Korean that signs a contract knows where the ground is before they jump.
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On September 19 2016 22:36 OtherWorld wrote:
oh, look, another player being fucked by a team
what a surprise, players' union, anyone?
A players union also requires money to function, so it would mean less salary for players (even if you managed to charge the companies, its salary the players would not be getting).
The problem is the players do not get to change the contract they sign.
The contract should have a clause where if a month of salary is NOT paid on time, the player can leave the team instantly with no negative repercussions for him.
I never was on a team myself but I did read 2 contracts when my team was considering having a dedicated sponsor/team.
It was amazing how bad the contract was (in Spain, it was hands down illegal to even make that kind of contract).
All the risks and liabilities lied on the players side.
Unfortunately, there are more players interested in a team like that than teams looking for players, and the supply-demand law applies here as well.
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On September 21 2016 16:48 iloveav wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2016 22:36 OtherWorld wrote:
oh, look, another player being fucked by a team
what a surprise, players' union, anyone? A players union also requires money to function, so it would mean less salary for players (even if you managed to charge the companies, its salary the players would not be getting). The problem is the players do not get to change the contract they sign. The contract should have a clause where if a month of salary is NOT paid on time, the player can leave the team instantly with no negative repercussions for him. I never was on a team myself but I did read 2 contracts when my team was considering having a dedicated sponsor/team. It was amazing how bad the contract was (in Spain, it was hands down illegal to even make that kind of contract). All the risks and liabilities lied on the players side. Unfortunately, there are more players interested in a team like that than teams looking for players, and the supply-demand law applies here as well.
Well of course there's a membership fee in a union. The very idea of a union is that you accept to leave some of your money to the union, so that they can use it to defend one of your fellow unionist when there's trouble - and that this money will serve to defend you in case you're in trouble. A union could also provide education for players, so that they can sign legit contracts, and would force teams into signing legit contracts.
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I know the co-founder of TCM. If anyone directly involved wants his Skype ID then I'd be happy to share the information.
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On September 21 2016 21:34 Artunit wrote:
I know the co-founder of TCM. If anyone directly involved wants his Skype ID then I'd be happy to share the information.
Ooooo get him on the phone!
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On September 21 2016 21:34 Artunit wrote:
I know the co-founder of TCM. If anyone directly involved wants his Skype ID then I'd be happy to share the information.
It won't be too long before we have a Maury / Jerry Springer esque show with all the drama in ESports =P
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On September 22 2016 08:21 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2016 21:34 Artunit wrote:
I know the co-founder of TCM. If anyone directly involved wants his Skype ID then I'd be happy to share the information. It won't be too long before we have a Maury / Jerry Springer esque show with all the drama in ESports =P
We had that. It was called Unfiltered. RIP.
Seriously though, we don't need the Keemstar of eSports, for now at least.
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Thanks Cyan. You brought more light and clarity to the situation.
It does suck, but that's the unfortunate side of an industry that lacks professionalism. Let's hope as it matures things will get better.
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On September 21 2016 16:24 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Honestly, I don't even see the point in these threads. There is nothing to be done about it considering TCM is defunct.
Sure it serves to inform us of another unfortunate Korean that was stiffed, but in all honesty we don't know the entire story. We likely never will also.
It isn't even a cautionary tale, because this shit still keeps happening. And for someone to learn from it, they would need the whole story. Even when we get the other side, the whole story is still inconsistent.
And no we aren't victim blaming, because this isn't some form of slavery or rape. In no way are any of these progamers forced to play for these teams. It is unfortunate that it happened, but the responsibility is on their shoulders too. Of course the team is responsible, but the interaction between a team and player is a two way street. Both sides need to act accordingly, and hold the other accountable.
Would a union help in this situation? Perhaps, but who will start the union? How will the union receive funds to continue? Is it feasible in the current situation? People that advocate a union is necessary won't put the effort into starting it, through no fault of their own.
Can a lawyer help? Of course, but at what stage they are employed is very important. After the fact, a lawyer will incur phenomenal fees. Could they be employed to read a contract to ensure fairness before signing? That would certainly be cheaper, but they still need to find a lawyer that can speak Korean and the language the contract is drafted. There would still be a cost.
Regardless, hearing these sad stories is losing its effect on the feels. Lets just hope the next Korean that signs a contract knows where the ground is before they jump.
You're right on the first point sort of, but you don't think the conversation it sparks is worth it?
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what the shit really. TCM just closing its doors without any notification what so ever to anyone. We really need to have some form of responsibility and professionalism in this. Fuck that made sad ...
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On September 19 2016 21:58 dearyuna wrote:
Soulkey explained, "The team didn't pay me a salary for over five months and didn't care about me. I ended up on the down-low while on the team. I originally had plans to join another team, but TCM gaming demanded a transfer fee of 2,800 pounds, which led to more frustration."
I think since he didn't get paid by them for months he shouldn't have cared about them asking for a transfer fee either and should have simply joined another team. I feel like he was being too nice to them here or maybe too scared. They basically broke the contract by not paying him, so I think he had all right to consider it void and just join another team without any fee.
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