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On September 20 2016 00:53 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 00:49 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
When it happened to Hyun we were outraged. Now...
I really feel bad for Soulkey, but lets be honest. I can't give a crap anymore. These Korean progamers should have learned their lesson from previous examples. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And this is why they win. They'll keep doing this shit because they know it's happened so many times that most of the community doesn't give a shit anymore, and because they know that the money itself might not even cover the legal fees inherent to the pro suing them.
Who is winning?
And is it the community's responsibility to help the Korean progamers? Should I start a fundraiser trying to help all the poorly treated Korean progamers? For less than a cup of coffee you can save Soulkey's career! Please send your donations to my Paypal account. And I will put a disclaimer in very small print stating that only 5% of donations will go to helping Soulkey, the other 95% will go to administrative costs, because running a fundraiser isn't free.
Its bullshit that this stuff is happening, but I've stopped caring. My heart can only bleed so much before I die of blood loss.
I hope for the best for Soulkey, but there is literally nothing him or us can do at the moment.
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That's really sad, thinking about how brilliant was his carreer before leaving SKT and now this. I hope the best for him... Going back to a KeSPA team seems the better option (unfortunatly impossible)
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That's really shitty that a team as well known in other titles as TCM would do such a thing to SoulKey. I knew SK was better on a KeSPA team T_T
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I also wonder why this guy did nothing after the 1st or 2nd month... why did he still play under their name?
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This is so sad. I wish something could be done to correct this problem.
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On September 20 2016 05:12 zealotstim wrote:
This is so sad. I wish something could be done to correct this problem.
Well, something could be done in the future. Tell pro gamers to get a contract. 
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This isn't Soulkey's fault. Why are people so eager to blame the victim in these situations? TCM is a fraud, and it's their fault.
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On September 20 2016 02:52 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 00:53 207aicila wrote:On September 20 2016 00:49 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
When it happened to Hyun we were outraged. Now...
I really feel bad for Soulkey, but lets be honest. I can't give a crap anymore. These Korean progamers should have learned their lesson from previous examples. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And this is why they win. They'll keep doing this shit because they know it's happened so many times that most of the community doesn't give a shit anymore, and because they know that the money itself might not even cover the legal fees inherent to the pro suing them. Who is winning?
Getting away with not paying people their due is a win in the crooks' book, no?
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On September 20 2016 05:12 zealotstim wrote:
This is so sad. I wish something could be done to correct this problem.
Hmm, let's take a look at what TCM-Gaming LTD filed with the UK government.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07770119/filing-history
They filed for dissolution with the UK, filled out the form DS01 (form to be used if you CAN pay bills) and gave notice here which allowed 2 months time to protest the dissolution.
If you read closely, the documents state that once dissolution is final, any remaining assets go to the Crown.
From the website: https://www.gov.uk/closing-a-limited-company
The company can pay its bills (‘solvent’)
You can either:
apply to get the company struck off the Register of Companies
start a members’ voluntary liquidation
Striking off the company is usually the cheapest way to close it.
This is what TCM filed ^
The company can’t pay its bills (‘insolvent’)
When your company is insolvent, the interests of the people your company owes money to (its creditors) legally come before those of the directors or shareholders.
You must use the creditors’ voluntary liquidation process.
Your company might be forced into compulsory liquidation if you don’t pay creditors.
You may be able to avoid liquidation by applying for a Company Voluntary Arrangement.
TL;DR TCM-Gaming LTD filed for dissolution as a solvent company, the two month protest period has come and gone as the notice was filed July 12, 2016. In no way am I defending TCM-Gaming, but by the looks of these filings, there isn't anything to be done to correct the problem. 
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For all the crap Kespa gets (and they deserve it), at least all the players get paid.
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The player tried to perform his best post release of "Legacy of the Void." He played approximately 40 games a day. However, Soulkey went on to convey that he "lost his will to play as Korean players were prevented from participating in foreign tournaments."
Insert obligatory "Fuck WCS" comment here
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I'm no lawyer but I suspect any decent lawyer in a western country will tell you that if you're not being paid what you're owed, the contract is void. If TCM doesn't pay Soulkey and they want to collect their buyout fee of $2800 when Soulkey wants to leave, that's just unenforceable. The contract is void so the buyout clause is void. And if the contract is written in such a way that TCM doesn't have to pay for Soulkey, then the contract is unenforceable.
Like LongShot27 said on the first page, "do your homework goddammnit". There is no way in hell TCM would've been able to enforce that.
Players union would have some advantages but until then players need to understand the basic ways in which contracts can be voided.
TLDR: If the contract says "You get paid X money for Y service" and you don't get the X money, you cannot be held liable for not delivering on Y. Fucking obviously.
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On September 20 2016 07:55 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +The player tried to perform his best post release of "Legacy of the Void." He played approximately 40 games a day. However, Soulkey went on to convey that he "lost his will to play as Korean players were prevented from participating in foreign tournaments." Insert obligatory "Fuck WCS" comment here
WCS working as intended
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http://pgr21.com/?b=6&n=59948&c=2952281
Soulkey's manager, Poohsik's comment on pgr.
"Hello, it's Poohsik, former-staff of tcm and currently private manager of Soulkey and Myungsik. (Can I change the nick name (TCM_Poohsik)? I don't even wanna see the letter, TCM.) It is true that about 4 months' salary is owed. The team deffered paying since the January with excuses such as finding sponsors, and later they even closed the homepage. To prevent possible claiming their rights on the player, we tried to talk to them even when they didn't respond for over 2 months, and notified the revocation of the contract at last for that they failed to fulfill it, and we both are free agents since the second season. (We are keeping the conversation record for possible conflicts) The bright side is that at least the prize money is all received.
To talk about the transfer fee mentioned there, at first TCM required around 18m won (16000 USD) as it hasn't been long since they made their contract back then. But with condition with myself working for them without payment around 2 years, they lowered it to the amount(4m), but thing didn't go so smoothly because when we agreed to lower the fee to that amount, it was already the last day the other team gave us.
After WCS 2016's regional lock was announced, I was looking for Soulkey and Myounsik's return to Korean teams for their better environment after lots of discussion, we didn't even manage that TCM would be liek that. Back then they increased the support to their CoD team, and at least then the payment for us were never overdue. I think situations like this happen because almost all of foreign teams don't have Korean branch, and rarely have Korean staffs like myself, so that it's hard to have conversation with them.
And at last, please don't make fun of Myungsik. He is so professional, and a good brother of us. Even we used to tease him saying "Maybe some bad things will happen because you left us!". However, really this happened to us, and seeing him feeling upset for us, made me sorry.
I'm sorry we brought you bad news as well as last year. I don't know if it will happen, but if there's any good news, I'll tell you guys first. And I'll do do my best for it. "
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I don't understand why players wait this long before saying something. As so many people have said, unless the contract is worded very suspiciously (in which case, request the wording to be changed before signing it), it should be void if he isn't receiving compensation. This buyout clause should have been irrelevant. On the other hand, I can't say I'm surprised. It's shocking how little attention to detail the Korean players tend to have when it comes to their contracts. From my experience it's: check the salary, check the travel coverage, check the term length, sign. I've had small disagreements with a couple of my players in the past because there was stuff in the contract that they just didn't even know was there because they didn't read it through properly (Stuff like having to use sponsors' gear, streaming hours, etc.). It's astounding that after all of the drama some of them still don't do their due diligence.
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ty for the translation yuna~
it's really too bad but not to be surprised, no real agents helping them out yet like big sports lets orgs take advantage unfortunately
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I heard some different story. It says once TCM and Axiom cooperate an online tournament (maybe shoutcraft?), and TCM sent soulkey as mercenary, and soulkey agreed it. The game's information is notified to soulkey two days before the first game, but when the game's time was up, soulkey is absent, and that match is automatically lose. They finally managed to find soulkey at the ace match, but he had been crushed easily that looked like he never prepared and played that map at all. In another match, same thing happened. He arrived just one minute before time out then had been crushed again for not knowing the map at all.
Because of these, Axiom stopped cooperation with TCM.
I heard this story from a Chinese forum discuss this matter. I do not know whether it is true or a lie, but at least two people say the same thing over there.
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You can do something, kinda.
They pay those players as a form of advertising. Sponsoring Soulkey is specifically about SC2 players.
Make sure its a very negative one, don't buy their stuff and remember the names of the douchebags.
pzlama333: they could fire him, not paying 5 months and even demanding a transfer fee is just ridiculous.
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