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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
"Especially, Jessica said that she had supported everything about Boxer, including his team's transport and accommodation. She proceeded to tell the audience that she spent approximately $500K, throwing the audience into utter confusion." Not a meaningful news, but at least we got to know that Slayers cost a bit of money. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10125 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On August 30 2016 14:04 FlaShFTW wrote: damn did she get anything out of it? or is that just 500k down? It`s quite cheesy, but she got love; she`s damm rich, who once got $10K for allowance when she was a high-school girl. edit: Still, I think Jess did nothing wrong. Just telling. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10125 Posts
On August 30 2016 14:08 Thouhastmail wrote: It`s quite cheesy, but she got love; she`s damm rich, who once got $10K for allowance when she was a high-school girl. thats true. guess money does buy love | ||
Waxangel
United States33326 Posts
Unfortunately, [redacted because I don't want Jessica to stare hard at me and burn me to a crisp] | ||
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riotjune
United States3392 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On August 30 2016 14:11 riotjune wrote: Unfortunately what Censorship, Sir! | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 30 2016 14:08 Thouhastmail wrote: It`s quite cheesy, but she got love; she`s damm rich, who once got $10K for allowance when she was a high-school girl. edit: Still, I think Jess did nothing wrong. Just telling. Jesus christ I didn't know she was so rich. Way to go Boxer :p | ||
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Penev
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kaby
Russian Federation195 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On August 30 2016 16:19 Penev wrote: the juiciest SC2 drama ever just got extended? The drama that just keeps on giving. In our darkest time, the flicker of an old drama will guide our way. | ||
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Kerence
Sweden1817 Posts
It's unfortunate that Slayers ended the way it did. | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On August 30 2016 17:14 Thouhastmail wrote: question: is it correct to use circa before money? In German definitely, can't say for English. According to dict.leo.org it's just used for historic dates. Given its meaning I wonder why just for historic dates though. | ||
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McRatyn
Poland901 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
circa means about in latin (and italian but whatever) so yeah it can be used i guess? | ||
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Kerence
Sweden1817 Posts
On August 30 2016 17:14 Thouhastmail wrote: question: is it correct to use circa before money? I think the confusion here comes from the fact that it differs depending on the language. For english it seems to be used primarily for dates. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/circa says "Used only before a date or measure, never after" under usage, but on some of the other languages this note isn't present and it's just used as a synonym for about / approximately. Since money isn't a measure (or a date, obviously), it's probably not the correct usage in english. Maybe I should add that since I'm not a language expert, or even a native english speaker, you shouldn't take what I say as fact. This sure went off topic fast. | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On August 30 2016 18:05 Creager wrote: It's common to say "circa" in German, as well. Same here in The Netherlands | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33326 Posts
On August 30 2016 20:07 OtherWorld wrote: Well why make meaningful investments when you can make emotional ones that statement makes perfect sense to me, both sarcastically and sincerely | ||
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Jacenoob
299 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On August 30 2016 20:21 Jacenoob wrote: Oh yeah the self destruction of SC2... kind of sad to remember how she and Boxer got shit on for paying their players flights to foreign tournaments. Seriously? Nay, what is done is done. Let`s put it behind. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 30 2016 21:07 Thouhastmail wrote: Seriously? Nay, what is done is done. Let`s put it behind. Yeah let's put it behind and spend half the thread discussing if the usage of "circa" by a non-native speaker was proper or not, instead of, you know, anything that has any actual significance to this game or its scene. 👌 | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On August 30 2016 21:25 207aicila wrote: Yeah let's put it behind and spend half the thread discussing if the usage of "circa" by a non-native speaker was proper or not, instead of, you know, anything that has any actual significance to this game or its scene. 👌 I`m just trying to avoid superfluous argument, because there's a lot to be said for that "Axiom-clique" bois. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On August 30 2016 14:10 Waxangel wrote: It's really a shame the SlayerS project didn't work out. They used their brand name really well to popularize their players, and left us with a lot of great memories. Unfortunately, [redacted because I don't want Jessica to stare hard at me and burn me to a crisp] Maybe it's me trying to be an optimist, but was SlayerS really unsuccessful? They won multiple GSTLs, GSLs, and other premier tournaments, and at one point had 1/4 of the players in Code S. They were the start for so many iconic players (MMA, Taeja, Dark, etc. etc.) Sure they disbanded in an unfortunate way, but in the world of eSports, that's almost the rule rather than the exception. IM is gone, EG is inactive, Prime is really dead, etc. But in the meantime, SlayerS left a massive legacy on Starcraft 2 and eSports. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
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ClanWars
United States330 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
On August 30 2016 14:08 Thouhastmail wrote: It`s quite cheesy, but she got love; she`s damm rich, who once got $10K for allowance when she was a high-school girl. edit: Still, I think Jess did nothing wrong. Just telling. How big of a celebrity Jessica was then and is now? Just curious. I'd always wanted to know more about the Boxer-Jessica love story. Anything written on TL about it? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16669 Posts
people try stuff and sometimes it fails badly. | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
Srsly, that's a ton of money, but if I was rich I guess I'd spend it on esports too  | ||
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sweffymo
United States62 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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covetousrat
2109 Posts
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kuan888
Canada305 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On August 31 2016 00:24 RKC wrote: How big of a celebrity Jessica was then and is now? Just curious. I'd always wanted to know more about the Boxer-Jessica love story. Anything written on TL about it? A comedian turned actress who acted in various (5-6 showpieces) Korean TV dramas and movies, mostly in supporting roles. Quasi-household name, but not that big. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On August 31 2016 02:01 ROOTFayth wrote: any known korean movie? I only saw A man from nowhere and Oldboy you mean a movie that Jess casted? The Foul King (Banchikwang, 2000) is the best, I suppose. p.s. FYI, she had terrible acting; it was her first movie. | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
Question: Slayers had sponsors to begin with, when did it stop being (mostly) self-sustaining? Or was it ever? | ||
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DekkuM
United States149 Posts
On August 31 2016 02:14 bduddy wrote: Question: Slayers had sponsors to begin with, when did it stop being (mostly) self-sustaining? Or was it ever? I think the biggest hit to SlayerS is when they lost their Intel sponsorship, though it probably wasn't self-sustaining even with Intel. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
I never quite followed the scandal and blow-up. Are any ex-Slayers players still in good terms with Boxer and Jessica? Or are they all like prodigal sons now? | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On August 30 2016 22:58 Bagration wrote: Sure they disbanded in an unfortunate way, but in the world of eSports, that's almost the rule rather than the exception. IM is gone, EG is inactive, Prime is really dead, etc. But in the meantime, SlayerS left a massive legacy on Starcraft 2 and eSports. EG only switched games and have one of the most successful dota2 teams, IM got massively fucked with the LG thing, however it does seem that most early sc2 teams (prime, ogs, tsl, slayers) never really knew how to make a successful business. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On August 31 2016 02:46 RKC wrote: Sustainable or not, Slayers has managed to groom sustainable talents - Dark, Taeja, Ryung, and even MMA (to a lesser extent - he shone brightly, but faded fast). Arguably the best ESL clan in terms of talent production? I never quite followed the scandal and blow-up. Are any ex-Slayers players still in good terms with Boxer and Jessica? Or are they all like prodigal sons now? Dark only really became good when he got in SKT, also what do you mean with ESL clan? | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On August 31 2016 02:46 RKC wrote: Sustainable or not, Slayers has managed to groom sustainable talents - Dark, Taeja, Ryung, and even MMA (to a lesser extent - he shone brightly, but faded fast). Arguably the best ESL clan in terms of talent production? I never quite followed the scandal and blow-up. Are any ex-Slayers players still in good terms with Boxer and Jessica? Or are they all like prodigal sons now? MMA faded fast? He and Taeja were the most successful of them all. The dude was winning LotV tournaments | ||
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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
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blamekilly
466 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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zyce
United States649 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 31 2016 09:18 zyce wrote: I'm surprised no one's said this yet, but that's really great that she invested so much money into Starcraft 2. Thanks Jessica! People like her were very much needed to keep SC2 competitive, especially in the pre-Kespa era. Because people only care for the drama, they never stop to think about it or understand the situation. That's one more thing that hasn't changed a bit in years. | ||
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DekkuM
United States149 Posts
On August 31 2016 02:46 RKC wrote: I never quite followed the scandal and blow-up. Are any ex-Slayers players still in good terms with Boxer and Jessica? Or are they all like prodigal sons now? Dark asked BoxeR to come cheer for him at the SSL finals he won. So I guess there's at least one. | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
dont get me started with the fucking sponsorship money she was hoarding off for different agendas. just another classic case of a crazy bitch. not rocket science and doesnt need need any overthinking beyond that. *5 years later* "i want to excuse myself from my past behavior acting unprofessional during my time with slayers because it still important to me even though its old news". remember guys, she cares so much about her reputation that she sued people that were taunting her online. batshit crazy and incredibly self conscience. doesnt surprise me that shes still trying to prove to everyone that shes a saint. another note, on the korean game show The Genius Season 2, it was well known that she pushed Boxer to get on it and the other contestants were having small talk about how they were scared of her and that she was acting like she was part of the show coming in with Boxer, etc. FUCK. JESSICA. oh wait, thats not even her real name. FUCK. LIM YO HWAN'S WIFE. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
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ETisME
12362 Posts
boxer and her together build one of the most iconic and successful ESF team ever. If it meant a not-so-likeable personality then so be it. Maybe it does take a person like her to organise and manage this level of a team. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2627 Posts
On August 31 2016 02:54 sabas123 wrote: Dark only really became good when he got in SKT, also what do you mean with ESL clan? I think he means ESF, the org that handled SC2 in korea before Kespa switched to SC2. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 31 2016 08:47 blamekilly wrote: The sponsorship didn't kill SlayerS, the selfish players did. MMA thought Jessica and Boxer was taking his prize money. He also owed some money to his personal coach and when the coach asked him about the money, he threw an Nvidia card that he won from an online tournament at the coach. what? for real? personally, I think the jessica hate is ridiculous. No one is saying she's not partially responsible for some of what went down especially if she has a controlling nature (based on other comments) but some of the comments I've read make it seem like all the players were goody-two shoes or something which I doubt. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33326 Posts
On August 31 2016 08:47 blamekilly wrote: The sponsorship didn't kill SlayerS, the selfish players did. MMA thought Jessica and Boxer was taking his prize money. He also owed some money to his personal coach and when the coach asked him about the money, he threw an Nvidia card that he won from an online tournament at the coach. The thing is that Ryu Won never corroborated this (he decided to stay entirely away from the drama), but later evidence shows he is still good friends with MMA. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
But if that is true, what intrigues me then is how in the world she fell for Boxer and married him? I understand that Koreans do accord pro-gamers with more respect and love than most other communities in the world. But I doubt it's at the same level of real-life sportsmen like Park Ji-Sung (a footballer who married a famous TV show host in a high-profile celeb coupling). Sorry, I'm not trying to look down on Boxer here, but there does seem to be a gulf of social class between Jessica and him. Pro-gamers are not the most sociable lot, and usually come from humble backgrounds. Jessica is a modern-day aristocrat. I can imagine her family and friends raising eyebrows. Yes, it's almost like Prince William marrying Kate Middleton. Except that in Asian cultures, breaking social barriers is even tougher. Am I missing something about Korean culture? Am I being too harsh and judgy? Anyway, I really feel happy for Boxer! As a fellow geek, stories like this warms my heart. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 31 2016 13:21 RKC wrote: Okay, so from what I'm hearing, and what most people are generally agreeing - Jessica can be quite a high-strung high-maintenance drama queen. I won't judge whether that's done more harm than the good she has done all round. But if that is true, what intrigues me then is how in the world she fell for Boxer and married him? I understand that Koreans do accord pro-gamers with more respect and love than most other communities in the world. But I doubt it's at the same level of real-life sportsmen like Park Ji-Sung (a footballer who married a famous TV show host in a high-profile celeb coupling). Sorry, I'm not trying to look down on Boxer here, but there does seem to be a gulf of social class between Jessica and him. Pro-gamers are not the most sociable lot, and usually come from humble backgrounds. Jessica is a modern-day aristocrat. I can imagine her family and friends raising eyebrows. Yes, it's almost like Prince William marrying Kate Middleton. Except that in Asian cultures, breaking social barriers is even tougher. Am I missing something about Korean culture? Am I being too harsh and judgy? Anyway, I really feel happy for Boxer! As a fellow geek, stories like this warms my heart. Have you seen how handsome Boxer is? That would help. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On August 31 2016 14:29 Phredxor wrote: Have you seen how handsome Boxer is? That would help. Fair enough. There should be a PR on hottest BW/SC2 players. Boxer, Bisu, Zest, herO... who else? It would be funny if Yellow was also chasing Jessica and lost out. That would make such an epic fan-fic! | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 31 2016 14:48 RKC wrote: Fair enough. There should be a PR on hottest BW/SC2 players. Boxer, Bisu, Zest, herO... who else? It would be funny if Yellow was also chasing Jessica and lost out. That would make such an epic fan-fic! Movie can be called: "I came in second" loll | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On August 31 2016 14:53 BigFan wrote: Movie can be called: "I came in second" loll Ouch lol I can foresee many puns about dongs... | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
On August 31 2016 08:47 blamekilly wrote: The sponsorship didn't kill SlayerS, the selfish players did. MMA thought Jessica and Boxer was taking his prize money. He also owed some money to his personal coach and when the coach asked him about the money, he threw an Nvidia card that he won from an online tournament at the coach. MMA seems like such a nice guy. hard to imagine this happening  | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On August 31 2016 20:16 Charoisaur wrote: MMA seems like such a nice guy. hard to imagine this happening The SlayerS drama is all he-said, she-said. While I'm sure tempered flared and relationships were strained, hard to verify any specific events. A lot of rumors going around and many people have agendas - best to ignore. After all, this took place 4 years ago | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On August 31 2016 14:48 RKC wrote: Fair enough. There should be a PR on hottest BW/SC2 players. Boxer, Bisu, Zest, herO... who else? It would be funny if Yellow was also chasing Jessica and lost out. That would make such an epic fan-fic! herO has the cute factor going for him. In the archetype of the boy band, herO would be casted as the 'Cute One' often to balance the look of the band against the 'Bad Boy' archetype. Zest might be a good cast for the 'Bad Boy'. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On September 01 2016 00:30 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: herO has the cute factor going for him. In the archetype of the boy band, herO would be casted as the 'Cute One' often to balance the look of the band against the 'Bad Boy' archetype. Zest might be a good cast for the 'Bad Boy'. I wish they still did frequent photo-shoots since the Nada's Body thread has been a bit bare of new material as of late | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On September 01 2016 01:01 eviltomahawk wrote: I wish they still did frequent photo-shoots since the Nada's Body thread has been a bit bare of new material as of late Yeah seriously. Best thread on TL. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Riot still insists that they run LCS at a loss even though it's clearly a way to get their game some exposure. Surely Jessica didn't just pour 500k down the drain. Can't imagine just flat out lost all of his 250k on Axiom either. Maybe... but hell that would suck. I know that Axiom operated at a loss but I hope they managed to get some of their money back. | ||
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ilsamsamchil
155 Posts
Fair enough. There should be a PR on hottest BW/SC2 players. Boxer, Bisu, Zest, herO... who else? It would be funny if Yellow was also chasing Jessica and lost out. That would make such an epic fan-fic! You actually | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
You do know Nada isn't a white girl right? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On September 01 2016 01:26 Cricketer12 wrote: You do know Nada isn't a white girl right? A man can dream. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
But can  Dream dream? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On September 01 2016 01:15 Djzapz wrote: Saying you spend money on something doesn't necessarily tell the whole story. If you spend $500k on a team maybe you made 600k and made a net gain of 100k. Maybe you spent 500k and made 400k so your net loss is 100k. Riot still insists that they run LCS at a loss even though it's clearly a way to get their game some exposure. Surely Jessica didn't just pour 500k down the drain. Can't imagine just flat out lost all of his 250k on Axiom either. Maybe... but hell that would suck. I know that Axiom operated at a loss but I hope they managed to get some of their money back. Sadly, but It is highly likely that Jess literally lost $500K. Slayers received the best support, even compared to KeSPA teams of the time. All the services they got were the top of the range, including large team-house (200m^2), BBQ parties, the finest salon services for celebs at a half price, free dental care, dermatological treatment with 20% discount and high-end Express van (leased from her management company, which originally costs over $100K) as a transport. Moreover, players got 80%(up to 90%) of the prize. Also, Jess covered taxes for`em. Considering additional expenditures (e.g. rents, food expenses etc.), I would not be surprised if she lost more money. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On September 01 2016 03:04 Thouhastmail wrote: Sadly, but It is highly likely that Jess literally lost $500K. Slayers received the best support, even compared to KeSPA teams of the time. All the services they got were the top of the range, including large team-house (200m^2), BBQ parties, the finest salon services for celebs at a half price, free dental care, dermatological treatment with 20% discount and high-end Express van (leased from her management company, which originally costs over $100K) as a transport. Moreover, players got 80%(up to 90%) of the prize. Also, Jess covered taxes for`em. Considering additional expenditures (e.g. rents, food expenses etc.), I would not be surprised if she lost more money. Well if what you're saying is true, I think it's a bit sad... I assume the fans and the players both would've rather seen SlayerS try to be profitable so that it could last. Of course if you run your business at a loss and you don't try to run a profit, your employees will end up unemployed. Oh well... | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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McRatyn
Poland901 Posts
On September 01 2016 03:53 Aerisky wrote: Man, I wonder what Boxer's up to these days. I do actually wonder how they make money apart from occasional variety show appearances. She barely does any acting and Boxer doesn't seem to play anything. Maybe poker? | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On September 01 2016 06:47 McRatyn wrote: I do actually wonder how they make money apart from occasional variety show appearances. She barely does any acting and Boxer doesn't seem to play anything. Maybe poker? It's South Korea. They're doing mob stuff. That's how they got all the affiliations. | ||
GTR
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kuan888
Canada305 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
Please. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On September 01 2016 07:29 GTR wrote: boxer's trying to forge a poker career Is this not taboo considering South Korea's gambling laws? | ||
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
)The thing that I don't understand is why is she sharing that information with everyone ? What is she trying to achieve ? | ||
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
On September 05 2016 21:01 Pr0wler wrote: The thing that I don't understand is why is she sharing that information with everyone ? What is she trying to achieve ? She was always a drama queen, so probably attention? | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Man, such reveals make me contemplate how much esports is held together by generous whales, who pour money with no return, instead of investing. On the other hand, historically that's often been the case with arts and sports. | ||
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