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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
 On the negative side, blink DTs feel complete BS lol. Maybe we are supposed to build turrets everywhere or something but the scan is a waste right now. The SH is also highly abbusable at such a low price, but maybe that is to be expected at this stage. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
BCs vs carriers is dank as fuck but its hard to figure out how to transition due to mech army is gas heavy already. About mass air case.I think they dont need to creat good ground anti air units,just give air units more weakness to force player add another units. That why we saw mass tempests but not mass broodlord. | ||
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CptMarvel
France236 Posts
It's too late, unfortunately. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
I've seen Hydra absolutely demolish this. It depends how many hellions and how many cyclones and then lings are also good. But yeah, mineral only armies of ling queen can get punished hard. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Cyclones need to be better against air and worse vs ground than in their current iteration. Otherwise it's back to the old ways, with other ground units standing no chance against mech but any strong air army hardcountering it. | ||
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GrandSmurf
Netherlands462 Posts
'Let the meta settle' was it, right ? | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1161 Posts
ideally, I'd like to see thors and cyclones combined into a cheap, reliable infantry mech with strong, long-range AA and mediocre ground attack (the goliath). give the thor the old yeller treatment. keep the movement speed and unit model of the cyclone, but give it all the goliath's attack characteristics, plus some kind of range upgrade with armory+techlab requirement. | ||
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Kenny_mk
50 Posts
A match-up that really frustate me lately is PvT, the P bioball is so damn weak against the T ones, even with upgrades, that you ABSOLUTELY have to rely on aoe for defend, in PvZ i feel like it's more fair, because Z don't have all the movement possibility that MMM have, but vs T i feel like the positionnement of aoes &MC must be perfect in defensive phase of drop + agression if you don't want to lose key structures or bleed out too much unit, where even if this require APM, the T just have to drop where it's annoying which is'nt hard. Really those fight where your bioball melt &almost deal no damage due to Medivac are pretty raging. I don't think a massive rework is necessary, but if in this change they could tone down this situation a bit i feel like players could enjoy more the game. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On August 18 2016 16:58 SHODAN wrote: I agree with others who have said that cyclone AA is too weak. it should be strong against air and only decent against ground (like the goliath). widow mines help with anti-air, especially against light flyers. however, they can't really do anything against brood lords, liberators, carriers or tempests. I don't like the overlap between thors and cyclones. thors are terrible, clunky units that are joyless to use (unless you boost them everywhere with medivacs). ideally, I'd like to see thors and cyclones combined into a cheap, reliable infantry mech with strong, long-range AA and mediocre ground attack (the goliath). give the thor the old yeller treatment. keep the movement speed and unit model of the cyclone, but give it all the goliath's attack characteristics, plus some kind of range upgrade with armory+techlab requirement. You still want to produce cyclones to defend against stalkers,adepts shit on your base rather than hellion.Mobile option for mech,dat is the whole point of new cyclone. IF you trade its ground dmg for air dmg just like goliaths,we already know what will happen.Only thor needs more attention cause right now i dont even need to micro carriers for cost effect trade against thors like blizzard said....Just A-move..... | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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Espartaquen
88 Posts
On August 16 2016 15:51 insitelol wrote: This. But i guess DK is in the state where "SC2 is only getting worse everyday so let's turn everything on its head we got nothing to lose". I've been saying this for ages: "leave this game alone". It's not healthy for an esport to be changed drastically every half a year. But people continue to drag in their "the more changes the better" casual attitude. It's keeping the game fresh the say. "i'll definitely gonna play after these changes". They said this before the LoTV release, they are saying this now. But the truth is LoTV has A HALF of HoTS playerbase http://www.rankedftw.com/stats/population/1v1/#v=1&r=-2&sx=a&sy=c . Where are you guys, you promised me to play the game, you hyped so much, i believed you. But it all turned out that changes didnt attract new players or make old ones to come back but instead scared off the huge number of dedicated players. I myself did go through a long period of apathy and irritation, and finally overcame that and adapted. But seems like half of the players where lost in the process. Now they are gonna do it again. And all i see is people hyping that w/o even understanding how this will turn out lead by avilo who's only purpose is to attract attention to his person. Your post explains everything I feel, thank you ! | ||
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Wohodix
France34 Posts
Terran Remove cyclone, reintroduce warhound with weak ground dps, good AA dps and the ability to repair mech units only at mule speed with small extra cost (+ maybe an energy cost ) Yea Thor + 1 armor Remove tp for BC, instead adding a medivac boost with high cooldown, and some cargo space ( 1.5 medivac size ? ) Protoss Canceling shades remove 20hp to the adept Oracles increase energy consumption of the attack spell New Tempest +1 range to ground, change the new spell to a kamikaze spell, maybe lasting longer Or reduce its dmg and adding negative movespeed buff to its zone | ||
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Pugfarmer
70 Posts
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Penev
28536 Posts
On August 18 2016 19:58 Wohodix wrote: Propositions Terran Remove cyclone, reintroduce warhound with weak ground dps, good AA dps and the ability to repair mech units only at mule speed with small extra cost (+ maybe an energy cost ) Yea Thor + 1 armor Remove tp for BC, instead adding a medivac boost with high cooldown, and some cargo space ( 1.5 medivac size ? ) Protoss Canceling shades remove 20hp to the adept Oracles increase energy consumption of the attack spell New Tempest +1 range to ground, change the new spell to a kamikaze spell, maybe lasting longer Or reduce its dmg and adding negative movespeed buff to its zone They could just change the Cyclone to do that Variety wise better as well otherwise you'd get too many robots/ too little vehicles imo | ||
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Turb0Sw4g
74 Posts
Why? Mech is supposed to be very strong against ground but immobile and requiring positional play. If you give it a strong, massable and mobile jack-of-all trades unit like the current cyclone, the list of potential counter plays becomes very short. This is not good design and makes games against mech dull. What I would like to see is:
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On August 18 2016 21:08 a_flayer wrote: Maybe just give the DTs the same movement speed bonus that Zealots get instead of giving them blink? IMO they should just buff the least used/weaker units instead of the DT, which is already pretty good. I mean the stalker, disruptor and zealot could use some small buffs. The stalker in the AA damage, the disruptor in the nova cooldown and the zealot in hp/shield or getting the shade ability instead of charge  | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
On August 18 2016 20:56 Turb0Sw4g wrote:.... *G2A and G2G are probably acronyms you are looking for | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
I like LotV more than HotS but many players are very unhappy because they essentially have to play a completely different game than they did for years (LotV is not SC2 part 3, it has an entirely different feel). That is a very strong argument against another radical change that will again make SC2 into something it never was before. Even if I'm gonna like the new changes, most players probably don't want any further (radical) changes, so I'm against it. It's very important to not consistently piss off a large chunk of the existing player base. Blizzard should make SC3 instead. | ||
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