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Explaining the New Ladder

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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
July 12 2016 03:46 GMT
#1
I will be updating the Competitive League and Ladder Guide shortly with this new information, but I wanted to give a quick rundown of how to read the new ladder. I created a new account on SEA just to try things out.

I went 3-2 in my placements. MMR is not visible during Placement. I got placed in Silver. If we hover over the ? button next to League Promotion Progress, we get a lot of cool information:

[image loading]

You can see in the screenshot that I had 3740 MMR. On the SEA server, Silver 1 spans 3146 to 3320 MMR. So why am I in a lower league?

Answer: Provisional MMR. To ensure that the matchmaker doesn't inadvertently put you in too high a league or tier (remember, demotions are still disabled during a season, so that could have been possible), you are given a provisional MMR. This isn't new to the 3.4 ladder, it's always been there. Blizzard has called it the "New Player" logic, I called it the "rating calibration phase". You can see in the screenshot that my provisional MMR is 3227, right within the Silver 1 range. The provisional period lasts for 25 games and inhibits promotions.

And then sometimes you get funny things happening like this:

[image loading]

I don't know where it's pulling -7 MMR from. Obviously a display bug though.
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Siegetank_Dieter
Profile Joined June 2016
45 Posts
July 12 2016 04:02 GMT
#2
it seems like you can only see your progress bar after a match.

i don't know why you can't always open this window.
Ape_Island
Profile Joined February 2016
29 Posts
July 12 2016 04:44 GMT
#3
Which leagues are harder to get into now?
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
July 12 2016 05:05 GMT
#4
Interesting, can't wait for it to go live in NA
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
DjRetro
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Chile309 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 05:17:04
July 12 2016 05:07 GMT
#5
when is it live in NA? nvm i already know :D
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
July 12 2016 05:37 GMT
#6
When it says eligible for promotion is that from Silver X to Silver X-1 in your case or Silver to Gold?
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 05:41:43
July 12 2016 05:40 GMT
#7
On July 12 2016 14:37 chipmonklord17 wrote:
When it says eligible for promotion is that from Silver X to Silver X-1 in your case or Silver to Gold?


The order goes 3, 2, 1, so that would be a promotion to Gold. It would probably be pretty handy if they added badges on both sides of the bar to make that clearer!

e: Misunderstood your question. The bar applies to your current tier and not your overall league. If I were in Silver 2 then the bar would represent the gap between Silver 2 and Silver 1, not Silver and Gold.
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Garemie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States248 Posts
July 12 2016 05:48 GMT
#8
Right on, glad to see someone get on this as soon as it came out.
Bomber | CJ herO | Snute
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37053 Posts
July 12 2016 05:58 GMT
#9
Is this live in EU? Cause I can't see it for my account.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
July 12 2016 06:00 GMT
#10
On July 12 2016 14:58 Seeker wrote:
Is this live in EU? Cause I can't see it for my account.


Not yet. Probably within 24 hours!
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LordOfDabu
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
United States394 Posts
July 12 2016 06:06 GMT
#11
They should really do something about how they display provisional MMR; it's only going to cause confusion as is. Maybe have a message with it that says something along the lines of "(estimate only. XX more games needed for an accurate score)"

I believe from a fresh start 25 games are needed. It will probably be easier to confirm this now.
Think fast. Click faster.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37053 Posts
July 12 2016 06:12 GMT
#12
On July 12 2016 15:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 14:58 Seeker wrote:
Is this live in EU? Cause I can't see it for my account.


Not yet. Probably within 24 hours!

Wait, so then how did you play your placement matches with the new ladder revamp?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
July 12 2016 06:16 GMT
#13
On July 12 2016 15:12 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 15:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On July 12 2016 14:58 Seeker wrote:
Is this live in EU? Cause I can't see it for my account.


Not yet. Probably within 24 hours!

Wait, so then how did you play your placement matches with the new ladder revamp?


SEA server got the patch early. Create an SEA account and play it yourself! You can always switch back easily with the Bnet Launcher.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
July 12 2016 07:03 GMT
#14
It will be live on NA on the 13th I guess when the maintenance clears, not sure.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
PolymakTri
Profile Joined December 2012
Russian Federation37 Posts
July 12 2016 10:44 GMT
#15
The good news is that you can see the rating of any player in his profile .
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37053 Posts
July 12 2016 11:19 GMT
#16
Can't play on SEA server T-T
The lag is too strong...
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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PolymakTri
Profile Joined December 2012
Russian Federation37 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 12:09:46
July 12 2016 12:03 GMT
#17
The lower official MMR on SEA - 2288 for the bronze tier 3. But if you wish, you can reduce it, of course, to even lower values.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
July 12 2016 12:10 GMT
#18
Checking my timezone, I think NA will be down for 3 hours starting in about 1 hr 50 mins.
*burp*
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
July 12 2016 12:12 GMT
#19
On July 12 2016 21:03 PolymakTri wrote:
The lower official MMR on SEA - 2288 for the bronze tier 3. But if you wish, you can reduce it, of course, to even lower values.

it's a huge number. I expected something more chess like, 1000ish for bronze players, 2000+ for masters and 3000+ for GMs.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37053 Posts
July 12 2016 12:37 GMT
#20
On July 12 2016 21:10 Parcelleus wrote:
Checking my timezone, I think NA will be down for 3 hours starting in about 1 hr 50 mins.

Yup. 10:00am EDT / 7:00am PDT is when maintenance will start.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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