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I do not care about the decline of viewership in this game, I couldn't imagine a better game to watch in terms of esports.
However, I myself have not played this game since WoL launch. Not even really the end of WoL, literally launch +3-4 months.
And now I'm back, dismayed by every game out at this current point in time. Yes there are some great single player games such as Witcher 3 that are almost masterpieces... but I ache and yearn for the competition that I used to enjoy. Overwatch, CSGO, LoL.... they all had their moments but couldnt hold me as much as sc2 has.
I used to watch BW matches back before sc2 came out, and I had never played the game competitively, nor have I even played the game since i was in high school 12 years ago. Yet the pure and raw skill and decisive thought that was requited to play the game moved me above most every other game.
Fast forward many years and irrelevant feelings later, I am pulled to come back. Specifically the most recent Home Story Cup moved me. I will admit that it was possibly representative of the pinnacle of starcraft challenge, it embodied everything I love about the game and the community that surrounds it. I respect all the players, casters, and specifically Dennis/TakeTV .
I digress... as I have run far too long.
I want to get back in the game, in my heart. But I feel blocked everywhere else. I played WoL launch as I said, and I was Diamond, which was the top league at that time. However, I am nowhere near as good now, and i have relearn everything from build orders to hotkeys. Its overwhelming and stressful, as everyone who has gone before me knows first hand.
My question ultimately is, to myself and others who might feel they are slighted for picking the game up so late..... How do you personally feel one should overcome these obstacles and enjoy a game that deserves far more than its been given these last years?
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Simply put, you use your positive feelings to somehow turn the negativity into enjoyment. It's stressful? Nah man, it's so cool that this game rewards the player with better multitasking -> I want to do that. How do I do that? How do multitasking-masters like Innovation do it, they are still humans after all. How would they practice certain things like managing two things at once? Etc.etc. Suddenly you have an endless supply of small tasklets to practice, learn and enjoy.
I feel the biggest problem for people like you and me is that our games feel way different than the games in Homestory Cup, because obviously playing the game isn't observing the game. This creates cognitive dissonance because you loose in ways nobody at HSC looses. Being aware of this helps
Edit: What I am trying to say with the last paragraph is: Never be salty, never blame "balance" or the enemy, never blame "yourself", blame cognitive dissonance for messing with your "fun-battery". Shake it off, re-read first paragraph, repeat :D
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I'm also on and off due other priorities in life. But when I come back to the game, I check out prominent twitch streamers for my race (example: Polt) and subscribe to their youtube for additional contents. Watch korean tournaments & see how the meta is being played + copy builds I like. Mechanics never deteriorate, I get it right back after hours of gaming.
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On July 05 2016 15:32 my0s wrote:
My question ultimately is, to myself and others who might feel they are slighted for picking the game up so late..... How do you personally feel one should overcome these obstacles and enjoy a game that deserves far more than its been given these last years?
In short, it's just passion for this beautiful game.
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One thing I do when I start with SC after some pause is this:
Find one build order for each matchup. Maybe one aggressive and two macro builds, but stick to one bo per matchup.
This way you get a good feeling for the timings quickly and also you don't climb ranks more than you should because of successful cheeses. It can be frustrating to suddenly go on a huge losing streak when you finally try to macro after 50+ games of just cheese :p
I play Terran and had an aggressive one base push build for TvT, a quick expand into drop pressure into 3rd base for TvZ and just straight up macro vs P.
Hope this helps getting back into SC. GL HF
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Sign up for the ShieldBattery beta.
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This creates cognitive dissonance because you loose in ways nobody at HSC looses. Being aware of this helps
This is so true. I can't count how many times I've watched a pro stream, then went on ladder inspired from the games only to get dissapointed that i can't even keep consistent SCV production up.
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This is exactly what I just did like a couple of days ago. Played back at WoL launch, reached Diamond then stopped. Now I want to get back in the game. My process was:
1. Buy LotV on a fresh battlenet account
2. Play literally 1 single game vs AI with each race to see what the units do now.
3. Hit the ladder playing Random
Got placed in Bronze after placements. One day later, was in Gold and having 50/50 games pretty much. I am also really enjoying myself! Welcome back!
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Embrace the chaos, experiment with all 3-races and be happy to hang in the lower leagues whilst you figure out how everything works. Give yourself a few weeks before you work harder on improving, refining build orders and so on. It's a faster paced game so it takes some adjusting, and just learning all the new units is the first step.
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I set my self various challenges.
See what ladder rank I could achieve after a week, 2 weeks, 1 month etc. I only played if I wanted to.
It turns out I didn't have the time to get very far on the ladder but every little bit of free time I had I was logging on and enjoying the game again.
Another approach can be to ignore your rank and just treat the whole thing as a learning experience, analyse every game you lose and then try to correct it for the next match, go full dr zen monk mode.
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On July 05 2016 15:32 my0s wrote:
I want to get back in the game, in my heart. But I feel blocked everywhere else. I played WoL launch as I said, and I was Diamond, which was the top league at that time. However, I am nowhere near as good now, and i have relearn everything from build orders to hotkeys. Its overwhelming and stressful, as everyone who has gone before me knows first hand.
My question ultimately is, to myself and others who might feel they are slighted for picking the game up so late..... How do you personally feel one should overcome these obstacles and enjoy a game that deserves far more than its been given these last years?
I just started playing again just like you (4-5 Months now), Ive been gone since WoL & didnt like HotS at all and now trying to get back in the game. I feel that the game has gotten much better and it feels more BWish due to the fact that you mine out faster imo.
I guess i just have to play more got placed into silver last season (only played 2 months) and made it into Plat at the end crushing Diamond players. Now New season Im Gold and working my way up!!
Just grind man
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Just play the game and enjoy it, don't look at your win/loss ratio (if you're too proud, paly unranked)
Watch pro games even if you won't see the important stuff at first, the more you'll play the more you'll see the crucial stuff most casters don't talk about.
As you already been diamond, I think the fastest way to get back in touch is to do something like the staircase learning method that's what will get your skill back the fastest imho.
and then, just have fun, don't believe what people say on forums about balance, find your own way.
Personnally when I got back after a 9 monthes hiatus the hardest part was to find relevant builds, maybe I could save you some time if you're terran?
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On July 05 2016 16:30 PiGStarcraft wrote:
Embrace the chaos, experiment with all 3-races and be happy to hang in the lower leagues whilst you figure out how everything works. Give yourself a few weeks before you work harder on improving, refining build orders and so on. It's a faster paced game so it takes some adjusting, and just learning all the new units is the first step.
Ok, you can be like PiG (btw do check his YouTube) or like me.
If you're like me, it will be a total pain in the ass to learn to macro decently for all 3 races at once and you'd better go for one after the other.
Like personnally, switching from terran macro to protoss macro has always been a nightmaren 
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Really great guy u have to be ).
Anyways i recommend watching streams of players and also tournaments ) and the best thing to do is just play ladder.
If you cant get into 1v1 for now jsut try out 2v2 or 3v3 , sooner or later u will get into 1v1 :D gl hf
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Joining a community clan is also quite helpful, i think, as you'll have peers you can talk game all day, practice and learn from each other.
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I agree with LOcDoWN. Mechanics never really go away so you'll be able to jump into the game pretty quickly. It'll take a bit to recall the hotkeys and everything, but once you do you won't be stressed about it at all. Then I recommend you just play. Don't watch analysis videos, build order videos, etc, etc, but just start playing.
If you study the game you'll grow to have a preconception of it that will kill you when you try to play like that preconception in game but find you can't. We're not the pro-gamers out there after all. So it's a lot better to just play, try out random strats and you'll find yourself naturally having fun. Note this doesn't mean you can't learn a build, just learn a basic supply build that sets you up nicely for the mid game and lets you build whatever you want.
Only after you reach Dia/Masters and hit a wall where players are really refining their build orders should you start looking at specific timings, builds, and strats imo.
This is how I came back into LotV from a one year break and am now in Masters.
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On July 05 2016 16:30 PiGStarcraft wrote:
Embrace the chaos, experiment with all 3-races and be happy to hang in the lower leagues whilst you figure out how everything works. Give yourself a few weeks before you work harder on improving, refining build orders and so on. It's a faster paced game so it takes some adjusting, and just learning all the new units is the first step.
Honored to have you post in my thread. I really enjoy your videos/streams and casting.
Thanks for the advice. Keep up the good work.
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Whenever i try to get back into it, some shithead terran abuses the various medivac tank posititons and i already dont wanna play. ZvT makes me not wanna play the game. The roach ravager spam is incredible dumb. And playing banelings is playing on brutal difficulty.
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Was going to post this in Simple Question and answers, but this topic kind of fits my question.
Is there anyway to assign different passwords to different blizzard games. Like have an individual password for Overwatch, Heroes, Hearthstone, Sc2?
I'm currently starting to study for my 2nd part of the CPA exam so i need to get rid of distractions. So i want to block my self from being able to access the addictive games. No offense to Sc2 or Starcraft in general, while it's absolutely the most rewarding to win, its not a very addictive game imo.
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Jesus dude. Grow some balls. If you want to do something, do it.
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On July 06 2016 01:11 Cyanocyst wrote:
Is there anyway to assign different passwords to different blizzard games.
Much more effective is to uninstall the games for now. Changing passwords but having the game sitting on your desktop ready to play is like having a ferrari in the garage and a key in the attic. It's all too tempting.
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On July 06 2016 01:19 pheer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2016 01:11 Cyanocyst wrote:
Is there anyway to assign different passwords to different blizzard games. Much more effective is to uninstall the games for now. Changing passwords but having the game sitting on your desktop ready to play is like having a ferrari in the garage and a key in the attic. It's all too tempting.
Idk why but never considered uninstalling. Though perhaps something to consider. Given im pretty confident there isn't away to change passwords for separate games.
That said i would let someone else change it so i effectively "wouldn't know where the keys were hidden"
Thanks for the advice!
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Just be patient at the beginning. Jump on ladder, you will maybe lose your first 10 games but it is ok, in 11th game you will outplay your opponent and win and there isn't a bigger satisfaction than that feeling in the gaming world.
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On July 05 2016 16:30 PiGStarcraft wrote:
Embrace the chaos, experiment with all 3-races and be happy to hang in the lower leagues whilst you figure out how everything works. Give yourself a few weeks before you work harder on improving, refining build orders and so on. It's a faster paced game so it takes some adjusting, and just learning all the new units is the first step.
Also, PiG won't do it cause he's a gentleman, but I'll tell you to go watch pig's show. I'm in a fairly similar situation to yours, and basically all I've done is play a ton of games, watch PiG's show, and get my hands on some pro replays to get a sense of various gameplans. I'm loving the game and am also very happy with the rate i'm improving.
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I'd advice you to focus on learning aspect in ladder. Just don't think about "winning a game and getting points" rather just do your best and have fun. Then when you eventually climb up the ranks you get those moments when you think "Oh ok, so this level of play allows me to play and stay in gold, cool".
In late hots I played P. I learned well robo-builds with colossus and that got me to gold easily. I got to high platinum once I got good with incorporating ht to the mix with storm. And so it goes.
GLHF friend!
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Follow up question.
Since I am basically going to be relearning all the hotkeys again more or less, what do you guys think of some of the alternate key setups such as grid and the like. Worth looking into?
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On July 07 2016 01:25 my0s wrote:
Follow up question.
Since I am basically going to be relearning all the hotkeys again more or less, what do you guys think of some of the alternate key setups such as grid and the like. Worth looking into?
If you don't fall back into old patterns, definatly!! Less stress on your hand, faster, better, stronger.
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I've recently jumped back onto Wings of Liberty to get my ladder fix. The game feels so much more fun and so much less frustrating in its pre-HotS and pre-LotV state because of a number of reasons, including actual build variation, a far less aggressive metagame and decent map design.
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On July 07 2016 01:55 Clbull wrote:
I've recently jumped back onto Wings of Liberty to get my ladder fix. The game feels so much more fun and so much less frustrating in its pre-HotS and pre-LotV state because of a number of reasons, including actual build variation, a far less aggressive metagame and decent map design.
If I remember correctly the maps in WoL were horrid. They were too small and promoted only rush tactics. People were claiming for bigger and better designed maps.
Also I think most of people agrees that LotV is the best and most fun version of SC2 by far. Just saying...
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On July 07 2016 02:11 Juaks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 01:55 Clbull wrote:
I've recently jumped back onto Wings of Liberty to get my ladder fix. The game feels so much more fun and so much less frustrating in its pre-HotS and pre-LotV state because of a number of reasons, including actual build variation, a far less aggressive metagame and decent map design. If I remember correctly the maps in WoL were horrid. They were too small and promoted only rush tactics. People were claiming for bigger and better designed maps. Also I think most of people agrees that LotV is the best and most fun version of SC2 by far. Just saying...
And HotS and LotV don't?
Didn't you forget that HotS was a very big reason why Antiga Shipyard (a very balanced WoL map) were taken out of the map pool? It had a wide open main base that was significantly exposed to drop play, which grew far more prominent thanks to Medivac boost.
You also had about 66% less frustrating build order losses in WoL compared to HotS, where a mine drop or a proxy oracle can easily end the game for you.
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On July 07 2016 04:31 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 02:11 Juaks wrote:On July 07 2016 01:55 Clbull wrote:
I've recently jumped back onto Wings of Liberty to get my ladder fix. The game feels so much more fun and so much less frustrating in its pre-HotS and pre-LotV state because of a number of reasons, including actual build variation, a far less aggressive metagame and decent map design. If I remember correctly the maps in WoL were horrid. They were too small and promoted only rush tactics. People were claiming for bigger and better designed maps. Also I think most of people agrees that LotV is the best and most fun version of SC2 by far. Just saying... And HotS and LotV don't? Didn't you forget that HotS was a very big reason why Antiga Shipyard (a very balanced WoL map) were taken out of the map pool? It had a wide open main base that was significantly exposed to drop play, which grew far more prominent thanks to Medivac boost. You also had about 66% less frustrating build order losses in WoL compared to HotS, where a mine drop or a proxy oracle can easily end the game for you.
All your claims are HotS era. With new mechanics and new units is natural that the old maps might not work anymore. Maps are always gonna be changing because it's the nature of starcraft since BW. If you prefer WoL over HotS, fine, but my point still stands. LotV is the best version of SC2. Consider that LotV is still in infancy and it will take a while to get to the sweet spot of balance. Hopefully sooner than later.
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