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On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)
The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot.
That's a very simplistic argument that doesn't really hold water in the real world, betting on tennis is legal yet there's been allegations of match fixing there. College Basketball, same thing, plenty of points shaving sagas have happened. Cricket same again, there have been people banned over match fixing or helping gamblers.
Making gambling legal doesn't make the problem go away. You can't oversee every betting company out there
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On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)
The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot.
Fixing one match?
both of the matches (Terminator and Dream), HE WON!!?!?!?!?!?
This seems extremely odd to me http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_KeSPA_Cup_Season_1
$30k for losing 1 game in a best of 5 that he wins anyways? Why do I get the feeling that some esports Illuminati level of conspiracy is going on here. There has to be some missing information here...
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On April 23 2016 05:22 Balosaar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)
The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot. Fixing one match? both of the matches (Terminator and Dream), HE WON!!?!?!?!?!? This seems extremely odd to me http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_KeSPA_Cup_Season_1$30k for losing 1 game in a best of 5 that he wins anyways? Why do I get the feeling that some esports Illuminati level of conspiracy is going on here. There has to be some missing information here...
There's no conspiracy going on here. You get paid to lose one specific map in the series when you're the overwhelming favorite. People who know its happening bet on you to lose that match and make their money. Then the player goes on to win the series as they're the better player anyway, earning them MORE money. That's why they do it. There's no world where DRGLing reasonably beats Bbyong, so he gets paid for losing one map and then paid again for winning the series. Same with Life and Terminator
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Isn't it a little ironic that we're getting all worked up over this yet Team Liquid literally has a confirmed match fixer on their Overwatch team?
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are there any mugshots picture like in the US?
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RIP the dream. Life was the only SC2 player I enjoyed watching anymore.
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Life, how you've toyed with my heart
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Sad sad news indeed.
Life will the greatest, such a pity to loose him like this.
Bbyong was a great player too, I loved is style.
But seriously, 70 000 000 wons to loose 2 games in a tournament that rewards 10 000 000 to the winner?
This is simply insane, if nothing is done, match fixing will never end and we'll keep loosing great players because of it. Fear of the prosecutor will never be enough if the amounts of money are so ridiculous.
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On April 23 2016 05:09 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)
The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot. That's a very simplistic argument that doesn't really hold water in the real world, betting on tennis is legal yet there's been allegations of match fixing there. College Basketball, same thing, plenty of points shaving sagas have happened. Cricket same again, there have been people banned over match fixing or helping gamblers. Making gambling legal doesn't make the problem go away. You can't oversee every betting company out there
I said to make it legal not to make it free market. This kind of thing should remain government owned.
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On April 23 2016 05:37 Hikki_Hibiki wrote:
Isn't it a little ironic that we're getting all worked up over this yet Team Liquid literally has a confirmed match fixer on their Overwatch team?
I think it's cute that you made a new account just to post this 
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On April 23 2016 13:00 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 05:09 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)
The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot. That's a very simplistic argument that doesn't really hold water in the real world, betting on tennis is legal yet there's been allegations of match fixing there. College Basketball, same thing, plenty of points shaving sagas have happened. Cricket same again, there have been people banned over match fixing or helping gamblers. Making gambling legal doesn't make the problem go away. You can't oversee every betting company out there I said to make it legal not to make it free market. This kind of thing should remain government owned.
Best way to stop this would add up to control of the betting scene by lmiting the greatest wagering sum per individual to around 10-100$. Wich is difficult to uphold.
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On April 23 2016 13:00 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 05:09 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)
The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot. That's a very simplistic argument that doesn't really hold water in the real world, betting on tennis is legal yet there's been allegations of match fixing there. College Basketball, same thing, plenty of points shaving sagas have happened. Cricket same again, there have been people banned over match fixing or helping gamblers. Making gambling legal doesn't make the problem go away. You can't oversee every betting company out there I said to make it legal not to make it free market. This kind of thing should remain government owned.
There will always be black market bookmakers, Cricket shows us that. I stand by my original statement, it's a simplistic argument that doesn't hold water in the real world
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On April 23 2016 11:26 Gwavajuice wrote:
Sad sad news indeed.
Life will the greatest, such a pity to loose him like this.
Bbyong was a great player too, I loved is style.
But seriously, 70 000 000 wons to loose 2 games in a tournament that rewards 10 000 000 to the winner?
This is simply insane, if nothing is done, match fixing will never end and we'll keep loosing great players because of it. Fear of the prosecutor will never be enough if the amounts of money are so ridiculous.
This is a result of Blizzard's failure to make SC2 great. If it was great, prize pool would have been much higher, hence less incentive for some people to do it. I'm not defending Life though.
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The incentive will remain, regardless of prize pool, if one believes he can get away with it.
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On April 23 2016 18:52 Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 11:26 Gwavajuice wrote:
Sad sad news indeed.
Life will the greatest, such a pity to loose him like this.
Bbyong was a great player too, I loved is style.
But seriously, 70 000 000 wons to loose 2 games in a tournament that rewards 10 000 000 to the winner?
This is simply insane, if nothing is done, match fixing will never end and we'll keep loosing great players because of it. Fear of the prosecutor will never be enough if the amounts of money are so ridiculous.
This is a result of Blizzard's failure to make SC2 great. If it was great, prize pool would have been much higher, hence less incentive for some people to do it. I'm not defending Life though.
Yes thats why savior matchfixed in BW, cause sc2 wasnt good ))))))))))))))))))))
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On April 23 2016 18:52 Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 11:26 Gwavajuice wrote:
Sad sad news indeed.
Life will the greatest, such a pity to loose him like this.
Bbyong was a great player too, I loved is style.
But seriously, 70 000 000 wons to loose 2 games in a tournament that rewards 10 000 000 to the winner?
This is simply insane, if nothing is done, match fixing will never end and we'll keep loosing great players because of it. Fear of the prosecutor will never be enough if the amounts of money are so ridiculous.
This is a result of Blizzard's failure to make SC2 great. If it was great, prize pool would have been much higher, hence less incentive for some people to do it. I'm not defending Life though.
Your comment is beyond stupid and I hope I'm just being trolled and that no functioning human brain could actually come up with such a fart of a thought.
BW and CS:GO have been harmed. I don''t see how LoL could escape from it (prolly not on the outcome of a map, but there are so many little details you could bet on)
Actually we should thank Blizzard, cause region lock might actually be a great move to reduce the impact of illegal betting in South Korea.
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On April 23 2016 21:24 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 18:52 Shield wrote:On April 23 2016 11:26 Gwavajuice wrote:
Sad sad news indeed.
Life will the greatest, such a pity to loose him like this.
Bbyong was a great player too, I loved is style.
But seriously, 70 000 000 wons to loose 2 games in a tournament that rewards 10 000 000 to the winner?
This is simply insane, if nothing is done, match fixing will never end and we'll keep loosing great players because of it. Fear of the prosecutor will never be enough if the amounts of money are so ridiculous.
This is a result of Blizzard's failure to make SC2 great. If it was great, prize pool would have been much higher, hence less incentive for some people to do it. I'm not defending Life though. Your comment is beyond stupid and I hope I'm just being trolled and that no functioning human brain could actually come up with such a fart of a thought. BW and CS:GO have been harmed. I don''t see how LoL could escape from it (prolly not on the outcome of a map, but there are so many little details you could bet on) Actually we should thank Blizzard, cause region lock might actually be a great move to reduce the impact of illegal betting in South Korea. User was warned for this post
OR it could encourage more Korean SC2 players to matchfix because they're not getting any chances thanks to the Welfare Circus Series
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On April 23 2016 05:37 Hikki_Hibiki wrote:
Isn't it a little ironic that we're getting all worked up over this yet Team Liquid literally has a confirmed match fixer on their Overwatch team?
yeah they got rich with those skins they won by matchfixing a game that didn't matter for anything *grins*. And people got really worked up by this, just like they did with Naniwas Probe rush in the GSL.
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@teamliquid
I don't like how you put the title to a picture with the price and where he is crying. BUT he is not crying about the topic you describe, he was just being emotinal about winning!
So you are intentionally abusing the picture. You are intentionally misleading the reader - maknig him think: Oh he is whining about being indicted? NO
On April 21 2016 18:42 Musicus wrote:
The only good thing is that they seem to have caught a lot of brokers and financial backers too, which is even more important than catching a player imo.
I agree, that is an important step. The players can not simply be considered victims, but are at least not the big guys..
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When you can make this much money with one match, there will be more of it. Money is pretty tight anyway for most pro gamers, well not life though.
Good that I never liked, anyway. Smug little shit.
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