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Prosecutor's Report: Life & Bbyong match-fixing - Page 20

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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 20:10:14
April 22 2016 20:09 GMT
#381
On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)

The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot.


That's a very simplistic argument that doesn't really hold water in the real world, betting on tennis is legal yet there's been allegations of match fixing there. College Basketball, same thing, plenty of points shaving sagas have happened. Cricket same again, there have been people banned over match fixing or helping gamblers.

Making gambling legal doesn't make the problem go away. You can't oversee every betting company out there
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Balosaar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States35 Posts
April 22 2016 20:22 GMT
#382
On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)

The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot.


Fixing one match?

both of the matches (Terminator and Dream), HE WON!!?!?!?!?!?

This seems extremely odd to me http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_KeSPA_Cup_Season_1

$30k for losing 1 game in a best of 5 that he wins anyways? Why do I get the feeling that some esports Illuminati level of conspiracy is going on here. There has to be some missing information here...
2014 WCS Champion StarTale Life ... Best Zerg of Heart of the Swarm
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
April 22 2016 20:31 GMT
#383
On April 23 2016 05:22 Balosaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)

The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot.


Fixing one match?

both of the matches (Terminator and Dream), HE WON!!?!?!?!?!?

This seems extremely odd to me http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_KeSPA_Cup_Season_1

$30k for losing 1 game in a best of 5 that he wins anyways? Why do I get the feeling that some esports Illuminati level of conspiracy is going on here. There has to be some missing information here...


There's no conspiracy going on here. You get paid to lose one specific map in the series when you're the overwhelming favorite. People who know its happening bet on you to lose that match and make their money. Then the player goes on to win the series as they're the better player anyway, earning them MORE money. That's why they do it. There's no world where DRGLing reasonably beats Bbyong, so he gets paid for losing one map and then paid again for winning the series. Same with Life and Terminator
Hikki_Hibiki
Profile Joined April 2016
1 Post
April 22 2016 20:37 GMT
#384
Isn't it a little ironic that we're getting all worked up over this yet Team Liquid literally has a confirmed match fixer on their Overwatch team?

User was warned for this post
RichardNPL
Profile Joined November 2015
185 Posts
April 22 2016 21:15 GMT
#385
are there any mugshots picture like in the US?
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 23:32:14
April 22 2016 23:31 GMT
#386
RIP the dream. Life was the only SC2 player I enjoyed watching anymore.
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Cluster__
Profile Joined September 2013
United States328 Posts
April 22 2016 23:53 GMT
#387
Life, how you've toyed with my heart
Liquid`Snute, AcerScarlett, ROOTCatZ, MC, Maru, Soulkey, Losira
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 23 2016 02:26 GMT
#388
Sad sad news indeed.

Life will the greatest, such a pity to loose him like this.

Bbyong was a great player too, I loved is style.

But seriously, 70 000 000 wons to loose 2 games in a tournament that rewards 10 000 000 to the winner?

This is simply insane, if nothing is done, match fixing will never end and we'll keep loosing great players because of it. Fear of the prosecutor will never be enough if the amounts of money are so ridiculous.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
The_Masked_Shrimp
Profile Joined February 2012
425 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 04:00:34
April 23 2016 04:00 GMT
#389
On April 23 2016 05:09 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)

The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot.


That's a very simplistic argument that doesn't really hold water in the real world, betting on tennis is legal yet there's been allegations of match fixing there. College Basketball, same thing, plenty of points shaving sagas have happened. Cricket same again, there have been people banned over match fixing or helping gamblers.

Making gambling legal doesn't make the problem go away. You can't oversee every betting company out there


I said to make it legal not to make it free market. This kind of thing should remain government owned.
SC2Towelie
Profile Joined July 2014
United States561 Posts
April 23 2016 04:37 GMT
#390
On April 23 2016 05:37 Hikki_Hibiki wrote:
Isn't it a little ironic that we're getting all worked up over this yet Team Liquid literally has a confirmed match fixer on their Overwatch team?


I think it's cute that you made a new account just to post this
Don't forget to bring a towel! (Towelie.635)
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
April 23 2016 04:39 GMT
#391
On April 23 2016 13:00 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 05:09 showstealer1829 wrote:
On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)

The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot.


That's a very simplistic argument that doesn't really hold water in the real world, betting on tennis is legal yet there's been allegations of match fixing there. College Basketball, same thing, plenty of points shaving sagas have happened. Cricket same again, there have been people banned over match fixing or helping gamblers.

Making gambling legal doesn't make the problem go away. You can't oversee every betting company out there


I said to make it legal not to make it free market. This kind of thing should remain government owned.


Best way to stop this would add up to control of the betting scene by lmiting the greatest wagering sum per individual to around 10-100$. Wich is difficult to uphold.
F-
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 06:27:06
April 23 2016 06:26 GMT
#392
On April 23 2016 13:00 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 05:09 showstealer1829 wrote:
On April 23 2016 04:54 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
The amount of money that goes into matchfix is pretty crazy. 30k $ for fixing one match? it's higher than most 1st place prize money !! No wonder players will fall for it, you can live more than a year off that amount (especially since it's probably non declared/taxed)

The solution would be simple, just like for weed. Just legalize betting and have kespa / official establishment manage it. This would bring more money for sc2 and they would always be instantly aware of who bets what so it would facilitate investigations a lot.


That's a very simplistic argument that doesn't really hold water in the real world, betting on tennis is legal yet there's been allegations of match fixing there. College Basketball, same thing, plenty of points shaving sagas have happened. Cricket same again, there have been people banned over match fixing or helping gamblers.

Making gambling legal doesn't make the problem go away. You can't oversee every betting company out there


I said to make it legal not to make it free market. This kind of thing should remain government owned.


There will always be black market bookmakers, Cricket shows us that. I stand by my original statement, it's a simplistic argument that doesn't hold water in the real world
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
April 23 2016 09:52 GMT
#393
On April 23 2016 11:26 Gwavajuice wrote:
Sad sad news indeed.

Life will the greatest, such a pity to loose him like this.

Bbyong was a great player too, I loved is style.

But seriously, 70 000 000 wons to loose 2 games in a tournament that rewards 10 000 000 to the winner?

This is simply insane, if nothing is done, match fixing will never end and we'll keep loosing great players because of it. Fear of the prosecutor will never be enough if the amounts of money are so ridiculous.


This is a result of Blizzard's failure to make SC2 great. If it was great, prize pool would have been much higher, hence less incentive for some people to do it. I'm not defending Life though.
TomInKorea
Profile Joined April 2016
Korea (South)39 Posts
April 23 2016 10:08 GMT
#394
The incentive will remain, regardless of prize pool, if one believes he can get away with it.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
April 23 2016 10:25 GMT
#395
On April 23 2016 18:52 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 11:26 Gwavajuice wrote:
Sad sad news indeed.

Life will the greatest, such a pity to loose him like this.

Bbyong was a great player too, I loved is style.

But seriously, 70 000 000 wons to loose 2 games in a tournament that rewards 10 000 000 to the winner?

This is simply insane, if nothing is done, match fixing will never end and we'll keep loosing great players because of it. Fear of the prosecutor will never be enough if the amounts of money are so ridiculous.


This is a result of Blizzard's failure to make SC2 great. If it was great, prize pool would have been much higher, hence less incentive for some people to do it. I'm not defending Life though.

Yes thats why savior matchfixed in BW, cause sc2 wasnt good ))))))))))))))))))))
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 23 2016 12:24 GMT
#396
On April 23 2016 18:52 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 11:26 Gwavajuice wrote:
Sad sad news indeed.

Life will the greatest, such a pity to loose him like this.

Bbyong was a great player too, I loved is style.

But seriously, 70 000 000 wons to loose 2 games in a tournament that rewards 10 000 000 to the winner?

This is simply insane, if nothing is done, match fixing will never end and we'll keep loosing great players because of it. Fear of the prosecutor will never be enough if the amounts of money are so ridiculous.


This is a result of Blizzard's failure to make SC2 great. If it was great, prize pool would have been much higher, hence less incentive for some people to do it. I'm not defending Life though.



Your comment is beyond stupid and I hope I'm just being trolled and that no functioning human brain could actually come up with such a fart of a thought.

BW and CS:GO have been harmed. I don''t see how LoL could escape from it (prolly not on the outcome of a map, but there are so many little details you could bet on)

Actually we should thank Blizzard, cause region lock might actually be a great move to reduce the impact of illegal betting in South Korea.

User was warned for this post
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
April 23 2016 19:00 GMT
#397
On April 23 2016 21:24 Gwavajuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 18:52 Shield wrote:
On April 23 2016 11:26 Gwavajuice wrote:
Sad sad news indeed.

Life will the greatest, such a pity to loose him like this.

Bbyong was a great player too, I loved is style.

But seriously, 70 000 000 wons to loose 2 games in a tournament that rewards 10 000 000 to the winner?

This is simply insane, if nothing is done, match fixing will never end and we'll keep loosing great players because of it. Fear of the prosecutor will never be enough if the amounts of money are so ridiculous.


This is a result of Blizzard's failure to make SC2 great. If it was great, prize pool would have been much higher, hence less incentive for some people to do it. I'm not defending Life though.



Your comment is beyond stupid and I hope I'm just being trolled and that no functioning human brain could actually come up with such a fart of a thought.

BW and CS:GO have been harmed. I don''t see how LoL could escape from it (prolly not on the outcome of a map, but there are so many little details you could bet on)

Actually we should thank Blizzard, cause region lock might actually be a great move to reduce the impact of illegal betting in South Korea.

User was warned for this post


OR it could encourage more Korean SC2 players to matchfix because they're not getting any chances thanks to the Welfare Circus Series
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 23 2016 19:23 GMT
#398
On April 23 2016 05:37 Hikki_Hibiki wrote:
Isn't it a little ironic that we're getting all worked up over this yet Team Liquid literally has a confirmed match fixer on their Overwatch team?


yeah they got rich with those skins they won by matchfixing a game that didn't matter for anything *grins*. And people got really worked up by this, just like they did with Naniwas Probe rush in the GSL.
gero00
Profile Joined February 2016
16 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 19:40:09
April 23 2016 19:34 GMT
#399
@teamliquid
I don't like how you put the title to a picture with the price and where he is crying. BUT he is not crying about the topic you describe, he was just being emotinal about winning!
So you are intentionally abusing the picture. You are intentionally misleading the reader - maknig him think: Oh he is whining about being indicted? NO

On April 21 2016 18:42 Musicus wrote:
The only good thing is that they seem to have caught a lot of brokers and financial backers too, which is even more important than catching a player imo.

I agree, that is an important step. The players can not simply be considered victims, but are at least not the big guys..
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
April 23 2016 19:42 GMT
#400
When you can make this much money with one match, there will be more of it. Money is pretty tight anyway for most pro gamers, well not life though.

Good that I never liked, anyway. Smug little shit.
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