I can just imagine Major going through this in front of his screen, "Ugh... I feel so shitty .. I'm going to queue up again! I must, even though there is no benefit to me and my laddering affects other people who are trying to qualify in this tour!"
Then, as soon as the countdown starts, he can't hold it anymore, and he stumbles his way to the bathroom, is sick, feels like shit, takes medicine, looks forlornly at his bed... "no, wey, you cannot give up, you have pointless ladder games to do."
So he forces himself to sit down at his computer once more, "ok... *burp* I'll be ok this time..."
And then this repeats over and over (by his own admission)? Rofl. Let me see that doctor's note.
The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
so if my internet dropped after finding a game im a cheater too? shit happens theres about 100000 stuff it can happen after u find a game. what if i had a important phone call that i had to take and was gonna lsat long? im still a cheater? it just happened to be i needed to go to the bathroom so use your brain before commenting
Internet dropping, there would be a record of it, no? Player disconnected?
F10 + P, "Sorry I gotta take this call, get the door, take a shit, make an excuse about how my dog ate my homework, write this doctor's note, and take my medicine, please wait." If the other person leaves, you get the points, ezmoney.
Pausing when you know you won't be able to quickly come back is bad manner tho, better leave so your opponent doesn't waste his time waiting for you tbh.
I can just imagine Major going through this in front of his screen, "Ugh... I feel so shitty .. I'm going to queue up again! I must, even though there is no benefit to me and my laddering affects other people who are trying to qualify in this tour!"
Then, as soon as the countdown starts, he can't hold it anymore, and he stumbles his way to the bathroom, is sick, feels like shit, takes medicine, looks forlornly at his bed... "no, wey, you cannot give up, you have pointless ladder games to do."
So he forces himself to sit down at his computer once more, "ok... *burp* I'll be ok this time..."
And then this repeats over and over (by his own admission)? Rofl. Let me see that doctor's note.
The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
so if my internet dropped after finding a game im a cheater too? shit happens theres about 100000 stuff it can happen after u find a game. what if i had a important phone call that i had to take and was gonna lsat long? im still a cheater? it just happened to be i needed to go to the bathroom so use your brain before commenting
Internet dropping, there would be a record of it, no? Player disconnected?
F10 + P, "Sorry I gotta take this call, get the door, take a shit, make an excuse about how my dog ate my homework, write this doctor's note, and take my medicine, please wait." If the other person leaves, you get the points, ezmoney.
ok so if i by mistake i boxed all my scvs and sent em one to 1 patch or zerg player makes 2 overlords or protoss forget to make a pylon. in a ladder game and leave hes a cheater? ofcourse not that shit happens
I can just imagine Major going through this in front of his screen, "Ugh... I feel so shitty .. I'm going to queue up again! I must, even though there is no benefit to me and my laddering affects other people who are trying to qualify in this tour!"
Then, as soon as the countdown starts, he can't hold it anymore, and he stumbles his way to the bathroom, is sick, feels like shit, takes medicine, looks forlornly at his bed... "no, wey, you cannot give up, you have pointless ladder games to do."
So he forces himself to sit down at his computer once more, "ok... *burp* I'll be ok this time..."
And then this repeats over and over (by his own admission)? Rofl. Let me see that doctor's note.
The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
so if my internet dropped after finding a game im a cheater too? shit happens theres about 100000 stuff it can happen after u find a game. what if i had a important phone call that i had to take and was gonna lsat long? im still a cheater? it just happened to be i needed to go to the bathroom so use your brain before commenting
Internet dropping, there would be a record of it, no? Player disconnected?
F10 + P, "Sorry I gotta take this call, get the door, take a shit, make an excuse about how my dog ate my homework, write this doctor's note, and take my medicine, please wait." If the other person leaves, you get the points, ezmoney.
Pausing when you know you won't be able to quickly come back is bad manner tho, better leave so your opponent doesn't waste his time waiting for you tbh.
I'd rather be bad manner than give free points to my teammate during a ladder league that is run by the company that created the game and runs the server that I'm playing on lol
I can just imagine Major going through this in front of his screen, "Ugh... I feel so shitty .. I'm going to queue up again! I must, even though there is no benefit to me and my laddering affects other people who are trying to qualify in this tour!"
Then, as soon as the countdown starts, he can't hold it anymore, and he stumbles his way to the bathroom, is sick, feels like shit, takes medicine, looks forlornly at his bed... "no, wey, you cannot give up, you have pointless ladder games to do."
So he forces himself to sit down at his computer once more, "ok... *burp* I'll be ok this time..."
And then this repeats over and over (by his own admission)? Rofl. Let me see that doctor's note.
The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
so if my internet dropped after finding a game im a cheater too? shit happens theres about 100000 stuff it can happen after u find a game. what if i had a important phone call that i had to take and was gonna lsat long? im still a cheater? it just happened to be i needed to go to the bathroom so use your brain before commenting
Internet dropping, there would be a record of it, no? Player disconnected?
F10 + P, "Sorry I gotta take this call, get the door, take a shit, make an excuse about how my dog ate my homework, write this doctor's note, and take my medicine, please wait." If the other person leaves, you get the points, ezmoney.
ok so if i by mistake i boxed all my scvs and sent em one to 1 patch or zerg player makes 2 overlords or protoss forget to make a pylon. in a ladder game and leave hes a cheater? ofcourse not that shit happens
This, I can understand. However, none of these apply to you so trying to argue hypothetical scenarios doesn't absolve you of anything.
Also, I think it's stupid if that shit even counts =_=; Games should be at least 2 minutes before points awarded, just like BW.
On April 10 2016 05:26 Jealous wrote: The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
What rules did he break? What kind of benefits did he gain by leaving games on a ladder region that doesn't affect his tournament region or give him any money.
If this was tournament play then obviously leaving games early would be in bad taste but it's just ladder games. Practice. Is he not allowed to click the button and play SC2 in EU? Should Chris Lee aka Illusion be punished for taking ladder points from Pokebunny when he's a retired player?
Using ladder as a lazy way to run any qualification is going to throw up issues like this because a lot of pro's do not take ladder seriously. They do not go into every single ladder game in 'Tournament rules mode' and leave matches etc when they don't want to face the same guy the 5th time in a row or for some other reason.
Banning people from a tournament because you were too lazy to run proper qualifiers just shows how pathetically Blizz are running this right now imo.
The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play on short notice, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
Really??? It's the ladder. People are known for not caring about the ladder. Especially when it's just a smurf account on EU ladder. Like, the only reason he's playing it is for practice. He could care less whether he wins his next game.
The way Blizzard handled this is really dumb. Even if Major did intentionally leave the games because he didn't care, and his team mate would benefit (honestly, I doubt Major cares about his team mate that much), they need more proof than him just leaving the game. That's just dumb. If they have more proof, then whatever, that solves that. But from the information that we have, it looks like they made a shitty decision.
There is some definite flaws with the current qualification system in place, I don't think even Blizzard wants to deny that. They wanted the ladder to be a nice competitive environment, and it's a sort of cool way to do qualifiers for tournaments. But the ladder is open to ANYONE. People can throw games right and left if they wanted to. Like, Naniwa for instance, who opted (?) not to participate in the thing, could have left 20 games at the start. There's nothing really stopping him from doing so. Likewise, Major can as well, because he's just playing on EU ladder for fun. That's actually what the ladder is for. Light practice. It is not some sanctioned competitive PvP qualifier.
Also your analogy is dumb. The thing is, you don't ban people from tournaments if it can't be proven. That would be really stupid. You should have legitimate proof what his intentions were, and if all you have are a couple of replays of the guy leaving early against a bunch of people, and even a couple team mates, I would say the only APPROPRIATE thing for Blizzard to do would be to 1) give Major et al. a warning. Maybe say that leaving the game early, and playing without the intention to win every game is not allowed, and future incidents will result in a DQ... 2) revise their rules making it CLEAR that leaving games during these qualifiers will result in penalties/negative consequences. If they want, they can even make it a rule that one cannot play on a different ladder during qualifier times, or they will be disqualified from participating in their own region I guess.
I'm in shock. The player got word that he was DQ'ed from someone else than Blizzard and got no chance to explain himself? How can that EVER happen? When is that EVER okay?
On April 10 2016 06:00 nunun wrote: I'm in shock. The player got word that he was DQ'ed from someone else than Blizzard and got no chance to explain himself? How can that EVER happen? When is that EVER okay?
;/ dont know i found by miniraiser linking a facebook post on spanish. kinda shocking
On April 10 2016 06:00 nunun wrote: I'm in shock. The player got word that he was DQ'ed from someone else than Blizzard and got no chance to explain himself? How can that EVER happen? When is that EVER okay?
;/ dont know i found by miniraiser linking a facebook post on spanish. kinda shocking
I'm really sorry this happened to you. Wish you all the best, hopefully they will realise their mistake in time.
On April 10 2016 06:00 nunun wrote: I'm in shock. The player got word that he was DQ'ed from someone else than Blizzard and got no chance to explain himself? How can that EVER happen? When is that EVER okay?
;/ dont know i found by miniraiser linking a facebook post on spanish. kinda shocking
I'm really sorry this happened to you. Wish you all the best, hopefully they will realise their mistake in time.
well damage is done i just hope this punishment is only for copa america season2 and dont go beyond that.. especially cause i gained nothing by this its not like i trowed a match for money.... im so sad
If for whatever reason someone wants to leave a game/do silly build/fuck around, it makes no sense to punish them. Instead how about giving people incentive to care/take it seriously?
Blizzard should back off with the fascist/authoritarian approach they've been taking as of late.
On April 10 2016 05:26 Jealous wrote: The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
What rules did he break? What kind of benefits did he gain by leaving games on a ladder region that doesn't affect his tournament region or give him any money.
If this was tournament play then obviously leaving games early would be in bad taste but it's just ladder games. Practice. Is he not allowed to click the button and play SC2 in EU? Should Chris Lee aka Illusion be punished for taking ladder points from Pokebunny when he's a retired player?
This is just bullshit and you're full of crap saying majors either retarded or a cheater.
So your contention is that he can give free points to people in that ladder region, for whom the points DO matter, because it's not HIS region. That makes a lot of sense.
You've presented absolutely no counter-argument and are arguing with feelings not logic.
The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play on short notice, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
Really??? It's the ladder. People are known for not caring about the ladder. Especially when it's just a smurf account on EU ladder. Like, the only reason he's playing it is for practice. He could care less whether he wins his next game.
The way Blizzard handled this is really dumb. Even if Major did intentionally leave the games because he didn't care, and his team mate would benefit (honestly, I doubt Major cares about his team mate that much), they need more proof than him just leaving the game. That's just dumb. If they have more proof, then whatever, that solves that. But from the information that we have, it looks like they made a shitty decision.
There is some definite flaws with the current qualification system in place, I don't think even Blizzard wants to deny that. They wanted the ladder to be a nice competitive environment, and it's a sort of cool way to do qualifiers for tournaments. But the ladder is open to ANYONE. People can throw games right and left if they wanted to. Like, Naniwa for instance, who opted (?) not to participate in the thing, could have left 20 games at the start. There's nothing really stopping him from doing so. Likewise, Major can as well, because he's just playing on EU ladder for fun. That's actually what the ladder is for. Light practice. It is not some sanctioned competitive PvP qualifier.
Also your analogy is dumb. The thing is, you don't ban people from tournaments if it can't be proven. That would be really stupid. You should have legitimate proof what his intentions were, and if all you have are a couple of replays of the guy leaving early against a bunch of people, and even a couple team mates, I would say the only APPROPRIATE thing for Blizzard to do would be to 1) give Major et al. a warning. Maybe say that leaving the game early, and playing without the intention to win every game is not allowed, and future incidents will result in a DQ... 2) revise their rules making it CLEAR that leaving games during these qualifiers will result in penalties/negative consequences. If they want, they can even make it a rule that one cannot play on a different ladder during qualifier times, or they will be disqualified from participating in their own region I guess.
Your point is that because professional players never cared about ladder, that they should continue not doing so when ladder has added meaning, namely qualification and money. This is the equivalent of not caring if your shoes are tied when you are sitting on your couch vs. when you're running in a marathon and could trip, fall, and injure other players near you, letting other players get ahead. That makes a lot of sense.
If you will note, I never said the system is perfect, or that it doesn't have flaws. I never defended Blizzard's ladder system at all. Nor did I defend Blizzard's immediate decision to ban with no notice. I think a warning would be an acceptable approach to the situation, and a public notification of the situation. However, I will defend the fact that this sets a precedent that is important. Blizzard is making it clear that doing such stuff isn't acceptable when it is running a ladder event, which is completely in their right, regardless of how players may feel about it.
I don't even really want to talk about the ladder qualifier details, or Blizzard's decision. I'm pointing out the fact that Major had to make a lot of bad decisions or be incredibly shortsighted given the nature of the event. As a progamer, I'm sure you have to give some thought to the nature of the competition and how best to approach it and what not to do. Giving free points in a ladder qualifier is supremely stupid if it's not done as outright cheating. It's HIS responsibility to be aware of his impact on the tournament, as a professional gamer. Note the first word in that title: professional. It's not just regular ladder games that he shouldn't care about and he should have known this. There's really no excuse that would overrule that. It's either one of 3 things, I will add one to my previous list:
1. Major didn't care enough to think about what impact his games would have on a tournament, which is dumb and unprofessional. 2. Major did care but didn't see anything wrong with what he was doing, which given the fact that it was a chronic issue over that period of time (his illness and inability to play), is even more dumb. 3. Major did it on purpose and gave free points to a teammate.
In the end, I don't find any of the three to be acceptable mindsets for a "progamer."
On April 10 2016 05:26 Jealous wrote: The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
What rules did he break? What kind of benefits did he gain by leaving games on a ladder region that doesn't affect his tournament region or give him any money.
If this was tournament play then obviously leaving games early would be in bad taste but it's just ladder games. Practice. Is he not allowed to click the button and play SC2 in EU? Should Chris Lee aka Illusion be punished for taking ladder points from Pokebunny when he's a retired player?
This is just bullshit and you're full of crap saying majors either retarded or a cheater.
So your contention is that he can give free points to people in that ladder region, for whom the points DO matter, because it's not HIS region. That makes a lot of sense.
You've presented absolutely no counter-argument and are arguing with feelings not logic.
The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play on short notice, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
Really??? It's the ladder. People are known for not caring about the ladder. Especially when it's just a smurf account on EU ladder. Like, the only reason he's playing it is for practice. He could care less whether he wins his next game.
The way Blizzard handled this is really dumb. Even if Major did intentionally leave the games because he didn't care, and his team mate would benefit (honestly, I doubt Major cares about his team mate that much), they need more proof than him just leaving the game. That's just dumb. If they have more proof, then whatever, that solves that. But from the information that we have, it looks like they made a shitty decision.
There is some definite flaws with the current qualification system in place, I don't think even Blizzard wants to deny that. They wanted the ladder to be a nice competitive environment, and it's a sort of cool way to do qualifiers for tournaments. But the ladder is open to ANYONE. People can throw games right and left if they wanted to. Like, Naniwa for instance, who opted (?) not to participate in the thing, could have left 20 games at the start. There's nothing really stopping him from doing so. Likewise, Major can as well, because he's just playing on EU ladder for fun. That's actually what the ladder is for. Light practice. It is not some sanctioned competitive PvP qualifier.
Also your analogy is dumb. The thing is, you don't ban people from tournaments if it can't be proven. That would be really stupid. You should have legitimate proof what his intentions were, and if all you have are a couple of replays of the guy leaving early against a bunch of people, and even a couple team mates, I would say the only APPROPRIATE thing for Blizzard to do would be to 1) give Major et al. a warning. Maybe say that leaving the game early, and playing without the intention to win every game is not allowed, and future incidents will result in a DQ... 2) revise their rules making it CLEAR that leaving games during these qualifiers will result in penalties/negative consequences. If they want, they can even make it a rule that one cannot play on a different ladder during qualifier times, or they will be disqualified from participating in their own region I guess.
Your point is that because professional players never cared about ladder, that they should continue not doing so when ladder has added meaning, namely qualification and money. This is the equivalent of not caring if your shoes are tied when you are sitting on your couch vs. when you're running in a marathon and could trip, fall, and injure other players near you, letting other players get ahead. That makes a lot of sense.
If you will note, I never said the system is perfect, or that it doesn't have flaws. I never defended Blizzard's ladder system at all. Nor did I defend Blizzard's immediate decision to ban with no notice. I think a warning would be an acceptable approach to the situation, and a public notification of the situation. However, I will defend the fact that this sets a precedent that is important. Blizzard is making it clear that doing such stuff isn't acceptable when it is running a ladder event, which is completely in their right, regardless of how players may feel about it.
I don't even really want to talk about the ladder qualifier details, or Blizzard's decision. I'm pointing out the fact that Major had to make a lot of bad decisions or be incredibly shortsighted given the nature of the event. As a progamer, I'm sure you have to give some thought to the nature of the competition and how best to approach it and what not to do. Giving free points in a ladder qualifier is supremely stupid if it's not done as outright cheating. It's HIS responsibility to be aware of his impact on the tournament, as a professional gamer. Note the first word in that title: professional. It's not just regular ladder games that he shouldn't care about and he should have known this. There's really no excuse that would overrule that. It's either one of 3 things, I will add one to my previous list:
1. Major didn't care enough to think about what impact his games would have on a tournament, which is dumb and unprofessional. 2. Major did care but didn't see anything wrong with what he was doing, which given the fact that it was a chronic issue over that period of time (his illness and inability to play), is even more dumb. 3. Major did it on purpose and gave free points to a teammate.
In the end, I don't find any of the three to be acceptable mindsets for a "progamer."
i didnt do in on purpose. and i would like to point out why blizzard didnt ban bunny or shadownb? when he left a game 10MINS before lockdown. blantly giving bunny free pts. mine was 4hours before lockdown?
So you just stumbled unwittingly onto a WCS tournament. Since you were not eligible, you could drop games because you had to open the door etc. Sure, why not, you would not do that if it mattered to you. But you are aware you affected other WCS players and the tournament itself ? I trust your good faith in this, the rules didn't prohibit this explicitly. Bit unfortunate that you had to quit games with your team mate. Anyway best of luck and I hope the penalty will not be severe. Take more care next time, I also hope organizers will be more reasonable with organizing such contests.
On April 10 2016 05:26 Jealous wrote: The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
What rules did he break? What kind of benefits did he gain by leaving games on a ladder region that doesn't affect his tournament region or give him any money.
If this was tournament play then obviously leaving games early would be in bad taste but it's just ladder games. Practice. Is he not allowed to click the button and play SC2 in EU? Should Chris Lee aka Illusion be punished for taking ladder points from Pokebunny when he's a retired player?
This is just bullshit and you're full of crap saying majors either retarded or a cheater.
So your contention is that he can give free points to people in that ladder region, for whom the points DO matter, because it's not HIS region. That makes a lot of sense.
You've presented absolutely no counter-argument and are arguing with feelings not logic.
On April 10 2016 05:54 Blargh wrote:
The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play on short notice, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
Really??? It's the ladder. People are known for not caring about the ladder. Especially when it's just a smurf account on EU ladder. Like, the only reason he's playing it is for practice. He could care less whether he wins his next game.
The way Blizzard handled this is really dumb. Even if Major did intentionally leave the games because he didn't care, and his team mate would benefit (honestly, I doubt Major cares about his team mate that much), they need more proof than him just leaving the game. That's just dumb. If they have more proof, then whatever, that solves that. But from the information that we have, it looks like they made a shitty decision.
There is some definite flaws with the current qualification system in place, I don't think even Blizzard wants to deny that. They wanted the ladder to be a nice competitive environment, and it's a sort of cool way to do qualifiers for tournaments. But the ladder is open to ANYONE. People can throw games right and left if they wanted to. Like, Naniwa for instance, who opted (?) not to participate in the thing, could have left 20 games at the start. There's nothing really stopping him from doing so. Likewise, Major can as well, because he's just playing on EU ladder for fun. That's actually what the ladder is for. Light practice. It is not some sanctioned competitive PvP qualifier.
Also your analogy is dumb. The thing is, you don't ban people from tournaments if it can't be proven. That would be really stupid. You should have legitimate proof what his intentions were, and if all you have are a couple of replays of the guy leaving early against a bunch of people, and even a couple team mates, I would say the only APPROPRIATE thing for Blizzard to do would be to 1) give Major et al. a warning. Maybe say that leaving the game early, and playing without the intention to win every game is not allowed, and future incidents will result in a DQ... 2) revise their rules making it CLEAR that leaving games during these qualifiers will result in penalties/negative consequences. If they want, they can even make it a rule that one cannot play on a different ladder during qualifier times, or they will be disqualified from participating in their own region I guess.
Your point is that because professional players never cared about ladder, that they should continue not doing so when ladder has added meaning, namely qualification and money. This is the equivalent of not caring if your shoes are tied when you are sitting on your couch vs. when you're running in a marathon and could trip, fall, and injure other players near you, letting other players get ahead. That makes a lot of sense.
If you will note, I never said the system is perfect, or that it doesn't have flaws. I never defended Blizzard's ladder system at all. Nor did I defend Blizzard's immediate decision to ban with no notice. I think a warning would be an acceptable approach to the situation, and a public notification of the situation. However, I will defend the fact that this sets a precedent that is important. Blizzard is making it clear that doing such stuff isn't acceptable when it is running a ladder event, which is completely in their right, regardless of how players may feel about it.
I don't even really want to talk about the ladder qualifier details, or Blizzard's decision. I'm pointing out the fact that Major had to make a lot of bad decisions or be incredibly shortsighted given the nature of the event. As a progamer, I'm sure you have to give some thought to the nature of the competition and how best to approach it and what not to do. Giving free points in a ladder qualifier is supremely stupid if it's not done as outright cheating. It's HIS responsibility to be aware of his impact on the tournament, as a professional gamer. Note the first word in that title: professional. It's not just regular ladder games that he shouldn't care about and he should have known this. There's really no excuse that would overrule that. It's either one of 3 things, I will add one to my previous list:
1. Major didn't care enough to think about what impact his games would have on a tournament, which is dumb and unprofessional. 2. Major did care but didn't see anything wrong with what he was doing, which given the fact that it was a chronic issue over that period of time (his illness and inability to play), is even more dumb. 3. Major did it on purpose and gave free points to a teammate.
In the end, I don't find any of the three to be acceptable mindsets for a "progamer."
i didnt do in on purpose. and i would like to point out why blizzard didnt ban bunny or shadownb? when he left a game 10MINS before lockdown. blantly giving bunny free pts. mine was 4hours before lockdown?
But after you gave up a game for free once or couldn't play well because you were sick once, you kept playing right? So it's clear that you were aware of your condition and your actions. Are you saying you weren't clear on how the ladder system works? That's not only your fault, but also incredibly myopic and unprofessional.
Please, don't bring up other people as a defense for your own situation. Yes, you might look at what happened/did not happen to other people and feel that it is unfair. You might even be right, that it is unfair. However, if what you're saying is true, then you and every other person who gave free points should have been banned/warned, not that you and every other person who gave free points SHOULDN'T have been banned/warned. Again, I'm not looking at Blizzard's actions here, but at YOU and YOUR actions. Deflecting to Bunny and Blizzard and 4 hours vs. 10 minutes does not solve anything.
On April 10 2016 05:26 Jealous wrote: The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
What rules did he break? What kind of benefits did he gain by leaving games on a ladder region that doesn't affect his tournament region or give him any money.
If this was tournament play then obviously leaving games early would be in bad taste but it's just ladder games. Practice. Is he not allowed to click the button and play SC2 in EU? Should Chris Lee aka Illusion be punished for taking ladder points from Pokebunny when he's a retired player?
This is just bullshit and you're full of crap saying majors either retarded or a cheater.
So your contention is that he can give free points to people in that ladder region, for whom the points DO matter, because it's not HIS region. That makes a lot of sense.
You've presented absolutely no counter-argument and are arguing with feelings not logic.
The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play on short notice, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
Really??? It's the ladder. People are known for not caring about the ladder. Especially when it's just a smurf account on EU ladder. Like, the only reason he's playing it is for practice. He could care less whether he wins his next game.
The way Blizzard handled this is really dumb. Even if Major did intentionally leave the games because he didn't care, and his team mate would benefit (honestly, I doubt Major cares about his team mate that much), they need more proof than him just leaving the game. That's just dumb. If they have more proof, then whatever, that solves that. But from the information that we have, it looks like they made a shitty decision.
There is some definite flaws with the current qualification system in place, I don't think even Blizzard wants to deny that. They wanted the ladder to be a nice competitive environment, and it's a sort of cool way to do qualifiers for tournaments. But the ladder is open to ANYONE. People can throw games right and left if they wanted to. Like, Naniwa for instance, who opted (?) not to participate in the thing, could have left 20 games at the start. There's nothing really stopping him from doing so. Likewise, Major can as well, because he's just playing on EU ladder for fun. That's actually what the ladder is for. Light practice. It is not some sanctioned competitive PvP qualifier.
Also your analogy is dumb. The thing is, you don't ban people from tournaments if it can't be proven. That would be really stupid. You should have legitimate proof what his intentions were, and if all you have are a couple of replays of the guy leaving early against a bunch of people, and even a couple team mates, I would say the only APPROPRIATE thing for Blizzard to do would be to 1) give Major et al. a warning. Maybe say that leaving the game early, and playing without the intention to win every game is not allowed, and future incidents will result in a DQ... 2) revise their rules making it CLEAR that leaving games during these qualifiers will result in penalties/negative consequences. If they want, they can even make it a rule that one cannot play on a different ladder during qualifier times, or they will be disqualified from participating in their own region I guess.
Your point is that because professional players never cared about ladder, that they should continue not doing so when ladder has added meaning, namely qualification and money. This is the equivalent of not caring if your shoes are tied when you are sitting on your couch vs. when you're running in a marathon and could trip, fall, and injure other players near you, letting other players get ahead. That makes a lot of sense.
If you will note, I never said the system is perfect, or that it doesn't have flaws. I never defended Blizzard's ladder system at all. Nor did I defend Blizzard's immediate decision to ban with no notice. I think a warning would be an acceptable approach to the situation, and a public notification of the situation. However, I will defend the fact that this sets a precedent that is important. Blizzard is making it clear that doing such stuff isn't acceptable when it is running a ladder event, which is completely in their right, regardless of how players may feel about it.
I don't even really want to talk about the ladder qualifier details, or Blizzard's decision. I'm pointing out the fact that Major had to make a lot of bad decisions or be incredibly shortsighted given the nature of the event. As a progamer, I'm sure you have to give some thought to the nature of the competition and how best to approach it and what not to do. Giving free points in a ladder qualifier is supremely stupid if it's not done as outright cheating. It's HIS responsibility to be aware of his impact on the tournament, as a professional gamer. Note the first word in that title: professional. It's not just regular ladder games that he shouldn't care about and he should have known this. There's really no excuse that would overrule that. It's either one of 3 things, I will add one to my previous list:
1. Major didn't care enough to think about what impact his games would have on a tournament, which is dumb and unprofessional. 2. Major did care but didn't see anything wrong with what he was doing, which given the fact that it was a chronic issue over that period of time (his illness and inability to play), is even more dumb. 3. Major did it on purpose and gave free points to a teammate.
In the end, I don't find any of the three to be acceptable mindsets for a "progamer."
My point is that there's no real motive for Major. There's no benefit to be gained. Why do I feel like you're a giant retard? Because you've spent the last few posts implying major is either in your words "intellectually challenged or a cheater" over conduct outside of a tournament.
Why do I now feel you're an even bigger retard now? Because now the only thing you're blasting major on is your worthless feelings about what it means to be a "professional" when it's pretty clear that he's under no contract, and was given no instructions on how to act on another server. There were other professionals active on NA and EU playing without the intent of qualifying; Naniwa was playing games on NA during qualification period knowing it would take and give ladder points. It's absurd to suggest that it's "wrong" or "unprofessional" to play games in an open ladder.
Blizz should first have made this clear that no early leaving whatsoever is allowed in GM, like a official statment published 2016 rulebook...before doing what they did
On April 10 2016 05:26 Jealous wrote: The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
What rules did he break? What kind of benefits did he gain by leaving games on a ladder region that doesn't affect his tournament region or give him any money.
If this was tournament play then obviously leaving games early would be in bad taste but it's just ladder games. Practice. Is he not allowed to click the button and play SC2 in EU? Should Chris Lee aka Illusion be punished for taking ladder points from Pokebunny when he's a retired player?
This is just bullshit and you're full of crap saying majors either retarded or a cheater.
So your contention is that he can give free points to people in that ladder region, for whom the points DO matter, because it's not HIS region. That makes a lot of sense.
You've presented absolutely no counter-argument and are arguing with feelings not logic.
On April 10 2016 05:54 Blargh wrote:
The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play on short notice, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat.
Really??? It's the ladder. People are known for not caring about the ladder. Especially when it's just a smurf account on EU ladder. Like, the only reason he's playing it is for practice. He could care less whether he wins his next game.
The way Blizzard handled this is really dumb. Even if Major did intentionally leave the games because he didn't care, and his team mate would benefit (honestly, I doubt Major cares about his team mate that much), they need more proof than him just leaving the game. That's just dumb. If they have more proof, then whatever, that solves that. But from the information that we have, it looks like they made a shitty decision.
There is some definite flaws with the current qualification system in place, I don't think even Blizzard wants to deny that. They wanted the ladder to be a nice competitive environment, and it's a sort of cool way to do qualifiers for tournaments. But the ladder is open to ANYONE. People can throw games right and left if they wanted to. Like, Naniwa for instance, who opted (?) not to participate in the thing, could have left 20 games at the start. There's nothing really stopping him from doing so. Likewise, Major can as well, because he's just playing on EU ladder for fun. That's actually what the ladder is for. Light practice. It is not some sanctioned competitive PvP qualifier.
Also your analogy is dumb. The thing is, you don't ban people from tournaments if it can't be proven. That would be really stupid. You should have legitimate proof what his intentions were, and if all you have are a couple of replays of the guy leaving early against a bunch of people, and even a couple team mates, I would say the only APPROPRIATE thing for Blizzard to do would be to 1) give Major et al. a warning. Maybe say that leaving the game early, and playing without the intention to win every game is not allowed, and future incidents will result in a DQ... 2) revise their rules making it CLEAR that leaving games during these qualifiers will result in penalties/negative consequences. If they want, they can even make it a rule that one cannot play on a different ladder during qualifier times, or they will be disqualified from participating in their own region I guess.
Your point is that because professional players never cared about ladder, that they should continue not doing so when ladder has added meaning, namely qualification and money. This is the equivalent of not caring if your shoes are tied when you are sitting on your couch vs. when you're running in a marathon and could trip, fall, and injure other players near you, letting other players get ahead. That makes a lot of sense.
If you will note, I never said the system is perfect, or that it doesn't have flaws. I never defended Blizzard's ladder system at all. Nor did I defend Blizzard's immediate decision to ban with no notice. I think a warning would be an acceptable approach to the situation, and a public notification of the situation. However, I will defend the fact that this sets a precedent that is important. Blizzard is making it clear that doing such stuff isn't acceptable when it is running a ladder event, which is completely in their right, regardless of how players may feel about it.
I don't even really want to talk about the ladder qualifier details, or Blizzard's decision. I'm pointing out the fact that Major had to make a lot of bad decisions or be incredibly shortsighted given the nature of the event. As a progamer, I'm sure you have to give some thought to the nature of the competition and how best to approach it and what not to do. Giving free points in a ladder qualifier is supremely stupid if it's not done as outright cheating. It's HIS responsibility to be aware of his impact on the tournament, as a professional gamer. Note the first word in that title: professional. It's not just regular ladder games that he shouldn't care about and he should have known this. There's really no excuse that would overrule that. It's either one of 3 things, I will add one to my previous list:
1. Major didn't care enough to think about what impact his games would have on a tournament, which is dumb and unprofessional. 2. Major did care but didn't see anything wrong with what he was doing, which given the fact that it was a chronic issue over that period of time (his illness and inability to play), is even more dumb. 3. Major did it on purpose and gave free points to a teammate.
In the end, I don't find any of the three to be acceptable mindsets for a "progamer."
i didnt do in on purpose. and i would like to point out why blizzard didnt ban bunny or shadownb? when he left a game 10MINS before lockdown. blantly giving bunny free pts. mine was 4hours before lockdown?
But after you gave up a game for free once or couldn't play well because you were sick once, you kept playing right? So it's clear that you were aware of your condition and your actions. Are you saying you weren't clear on how the ladder system works? That's not only your fault, but also incredibly myopic and unprofessional.
Please, don't bring up other people as a defense for your own situation. Yes, you might look at what happened/did not happen to other people and feel that it is unfair. You might even be right, that it is unfair. However, if what you're saying is true, then you and every other person who gave free points should have been banned/warned, not that you and every other person who gave free points SHOULDN'T have been banned/warned. Again, I'm not looking at Blizzard's actions here, but at YOU and YOUR actions. Deflecting to Bunny and Blizzard and 4 hours vs. 10 minutes does not solve anything.
You're being ridiculous.
I don't see the point of attacking major like this who got fucked over what is a technicality until proven otherwise.
There are flaws with the ladder qualifier thing and it's showing up right now. The way Blizzard is handling this is similarly quite bad. Please be at least aware of that.
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