MajOr disqualified from Copa América 2016 Season 2 - Page 10

On April 10 2016 02:54 -Kyo- wrote:
This is actually pretty disgusting. CWonder when Blizzard is actually going to start firing people for doing a poor job? Probably never. Gotta keep makin dat money... -sigh-

On April 10 2016 02:57 Blargh wrote:
This is totally ridiculous. The ladder is simply NOT a professional environment where you can expect people to follow tournament rules. Pretty much anyone who is KR or NA is not allowed to participate in the actual tournament, but they should be absolutely 100% allowed to do whatever they want on the ladder during this period.

Even if Major did intentionally throw a game because he likes a player (note, he can still actually do this, he just needs to derp through the game a little bit, then leave), the system is completely flawed. He (Major) has no reason to win, other than for the sake of practice. There is very little on the line for him. The same cannot be said for the players capable and interested in qualifying.

But let's be real, I don't think Major really cares about who qualifies for the EU league. I don't think he was throwing games right and left. Ladder has never been taken seriously, even by pros. People can, and should be able to do whatever they want with the ladder. It is simply not a tournament environment, and cannot be treated as such.

Looking at the silly rulebook, it says that...

Now, you need some pretty clear proof before you can claim the first point there. From the wording, it is clear that one must be doing it with the intention of helping one advance or improve their rank. You can't just see that someone left a game at the start, or just played super shitty, and this influenced the results of the ladder rankings, and then ban them from participating in WCS events. You need definitive proof of throwing the game, with the intention of helping other players. If they had a screenshot from a Skype group chat, where someone asks Major "oh hey man, can u lose for me on ladder? i am sooooo close 2 top 16, just need couple more wins men..." and Major responds, "oh ya man, i gotchu bb." and THEN you see 3+ losses in really shitty games from Major against said player. THEN YOU CAN BAN HIM. If they don't have that kind of proof, then it's just crazy.
As for their last point, yeah, tons of people share accounts. If they want to enforce this, it's okay, I don't think it's a bad thing to enforce, but it should really just be used for tournament specific stuff. If Major played on someone's account during the Ladder Qualifier, that is clearly not okay.

What Blizzard SHOULD have done, was issue warnings. When you have a new system in place, that differed from OLD systems, you really need to be a bit more lenient on the rules. And honestly, what they did with Major, and possibly MarineLord/whatshisname, was pretty damn ridiculous. Banning him without even a warning from basically his most important tournament of the year? That's just dumb...

On April 10 2016 03:11 Charoisaur wrote:

But now they fuck foreigners too.
So their goal is to fuck everyone and kill sc2?

On April 10 2016 03:17 tokinho wrote:


No, they aren't killing sc2 and are still definitely promoting korea. They are spending more money on players and less on travel costs while trying to promote regional play. Also, this has nothing to do with the thread and probably should be temp banned. I'm still not sure how major is involved with marinelord and DNS. Is major good friends with them?

On April 10 2016 03:19 Major wrote:

i am good friends with them. but i didnt had anything to do with waht they did.

On April 10 2016 03:19 StackerTwo wrote:
I'm not going to judge until I hear the evidence, major is one of the few foreign terran hopes...

BUT it tingles the spider senses when someone starts explaining what he did was not match fixing, after stating he has no idea *why* they are accusing him of match fixing...

On April 10 2016 02:57 Blargh wrote:
This is totally ridiculous. The ladder is simply NOT a professional environment where you can expect people to follow tournament rules. Pretty much anyone who is KR or NA is not allowed to participate in the actual tournament, but they should be absolutely 100% allowed to do whatever they want on the ladder during this period.

Even if Major did intentionally throw a game because he likes a player (note, he can still actually do this, he just needs to derp through the game a little bit, then leave), the system is completely flawed. He (Major) has no reason to win, other than for the sake of practice. There is very little on the line for him. The same cannot be said for the players capable and interested in qualifying.

But let's be real, I don't think Major really cares about who qualifies for the EU league. I don't think he was throwing games right and left. Ladder has never been taken seriously, even by pros. People can, and should be able to do whatever they want with the ladder. It is simply not a tournament environment, and cannot be treated as such.

Looking at the silly rulebook, it says that...

Now, you need some pretty clear proof before you can claim the first point there. From the wording, it is clear that one must be doing it with the intention of helping one advance or improve their rank. You can't just see that someone left a game at the start, or just played super shitty, and this influenced the results of the ladder rankings, and then ban them from participating in WCS events. You need definitive proof of throwing the game, with the intention of helping other players. If they had a screenshot from a Skype group chat, where someone asks Major "oh hey man, can u lose for me on ladder? i am sooooo close 2 top 16, just need couple more wins men..." and Major responds, "oh ya man, i gotchu bb." and THEN you see 3+ losses in really shitty games from Major against said player. THEN YOU CAN BAN HIM. If they don't have that kind of proof, then it's just crazy.
As for their last point, yeah, tons of people share accounts. If they want to enforce this, it's okay, I don't think it's a bad thing to enforce, but it should really just be used for tournament specific stuff. If Major played on someone's account during the Ladder Qualifier, that is clearly not okay.

What Blizzard SHOULD have done, was issue warnings. When you have a new system in place, that differed from OLD systems, you really need to be a bit more lenient on the rules. And honestly, what they did with Major, and possibly MarineLord/whatshisname, was pretty damn ridiculous. Banning him without even a warning from basically his most important tournament of the year? That's just dumb...

On April 10 2016 02:45 BeStFAN wrote:


are you retarded, there's no proof that he had that intention and within reason there's no incentive for him to do so

I seriously doubt someone paid him money to start pulling shit randomly on another ladder server.

Unlike the case of the Frenchmen there's nothing for major to benefit from.

On April 10 2016 03:28 WrathSCII wrote:


I'm not drawing conclusions or anything. That was retarded thing to say. Blizzard said he matched fix. As a corporation as large Blizzard, they won't go "he left a ladder game... HURR DURR MATCH FIX BAN HURR DURR".

They have a proof, whether they want to release it to public is up to them. I'm with you that it is lame to be kept in the shadows but they won't go for the hurr durr when they ban a player.

On April 10 2016 02:40 sAsImre wrote:
Huge success so far these ladder qualifiers.

On April 10 2016 00:56 Dana44 wrote:
blizzard is so bad god damn it... pls valve can you buy blizzard?

On April 10 2016 03:28 WrathSCII wrote:


I'm not drawing conclusions or anything. That was retarded thing to say. Blizzard said he matched fix. As a corporation as large Blizzard, they won't go "he left a ladder game... HURR DURR MATCH FIX BAN HURR DURR".

They have a proof, whether they want to release it to public is up to them. I'm with you that it is lame to be kept in the shadows but they won't go for the hurr durr when they ban a player.