EPTeven if he was intentionally dropping games it's not like it was gonna affect him at all -_- unless he's playing the long con about who he wants to play at DH (AFTER THEY PLAY QUALIFIERS LOL...)
get fucking real blizzard
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BeStFAN
483 Posts
even if he was intentionally dropping games it's not like it was gonna affect him at all -_- unless he's playing the long con about who he wants to play at DH (AFTER THEY PLAY QUALIFIERS LOL...) get fucking real blizzard | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:32 Elentos wrote: So you now support the WCS system? Because I'm pretty sure that's what almost all your posts in that thread were about. I support fair conditions for all players. I'll put it this way: WCS with region-locking (national or local heroes, etc.) is OK. It's regional format into a global format. That's OK. Region-locking Koreans out of events which were previously open to anyone is shit, especially on the dumb pretense that "they're too good". That's not OK. Disqualifying anyone from a ladder event because they were "match-fixing" (this time it was being sick, but it can be anything: I tried a new build, I tried to cheese, I rage-quit, power-outage, etc.) with little to no evidence, is shit. That's not OK either. If players are treated unfairly, then I'll whine about. | ||
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DuckloadBlackra
225 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:23 BronzeKnee wrote: That is long brah, this is a long thread. Actually, that is just my copy pasta excuse. Anyway, I went back and it read it and it is irrelevant. I can go 1-10 against someone and lose 90 ladder points. But if that one win is a free win they gave me, I should have lost 100 ladder points. And that 10 ladder points could matter, I could beg them to give a free win for ladder points if he is already qualified, ect... And Nerchio, aren't you about to play MaNa? Or is it not really live? Good luck! Well then we're back into this very murky situation where Blizzard can't really know whether Major's story is the truth or if this was intended to help Lambo. Do they have any rule stating players involved in the ladder race CANNOT instantly leave games during a specified time interval? | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:34 BeStFAN wrote: the most ridiculous thing to me is that he got banned in an American tournament for his ladder activity on EU where it's pretty clear there's no benefit for him. even if he was intentionally dropping games it's not like it was gonna affect him at all -_- unless he's playing the long con about who he wants to play at DH (AFTER THEY PLAY QUALIFIERS LOL...) get fucking real blizzard It does not matter whether it was on EU or NA, the fact that he match fixed. He manipulated how the results should be. Whether he participates in EU or NA does not matter, otherwise it would be OK to match fix on any server as long as you do not fix on your own region. Which is kinda stupid. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30545 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:39 WrathSCII wrote: It does not matter whether it was on EU or NA, the fact that he match fixed. He manipulated how the results should be. Whether he participates in EU or NA does not matter, otherwise it would be OK to match fix on any server as long as you do not fix on your own region. Which is kinda stupid. He didn't matchfix he left a ladder game. | ||
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DuckloadBlackra
225 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:38 Incognoto wrote: I support fair conditions for all players. I'll put it this way: WCS with region-locking (national or local heroes, etc.) is OK. It's regional format into a global format. That's OK. Region-locking Koreans out of events which were previously open to anyone is shit, especially on the dumb pretense that "they're too good". That's not OK. Disqualifying anyone from a ladder event because they were "match-fixing" (this time it was being sick, but it can be anything: I tried a new build, I tried to cheese, I rage-quit, power-outage, etc.) with little to no evidence, is shit. That's not OK either. If players are treated unfairly, then I'll whine about. Exactly. | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:38 Incognoto wrote: I support fair conditions for all players. I'll put it this way: WCS with region-locking (national or local heroes, etc.) is OK. It's regional format into a global format. That's OK. Region-locking Koreans out of events which were previously open to anyone is shit, especially on the dumb pretense that "they're too good". That's not OK. Disqualifying anyone from a ladder event because they were "match-fixing" (this time it was being sick, but it can be anything: I tried a new build, I tried to cheese, I rage-quit, power-outage, etc.) with little to no evidence, is shit. That's not OK either. If players are treated unfairly, then I'll whine about. So how exactly did you take back anything you said in that thread?  | ||
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: He didn't matchfix he left a ladder game. see this is whats the worse. now imma be called a matchfixer everywhere. it damages players reputation even if mine its not the best im not a matchfixer... | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:41 Elentos wrote: So how exactly did you take back anything you said in that thread? I got a warning for calling foreigners "cheating scrubs". Which is, retrospectively I suppose, the only thing I take back. ^_^ | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:12 Silvana wrote: Maybe the Community Feedbacks (where they listen to the community's suggestions for in-game issues) made us feel we have a say in everything that Blizzard does or doesn't do.... Blizzard as an organizer =/= Blizzard as a game designer. Here people are complaining about Blizzard taking a bullshit decision because : (a) such events happening were predicted by many people (including progamers themselves), and there is no possibility to have evidence that two players matchfixed in this case (without heavy effort, at least) (b) double-standards were applied, since players who left early were immediatly cleared of charges (Bly, Bunny) while others were convicted (MLord/DnS, MajOr) (c) this is handled with Kespa-level of shadiness, and while Blizzard has no legal obligation to be transparent, people expect transparency from a company based in the United States of Freedom and which basically has a monopoly on the foreign scene, granting it insane powers such as arbitrarily preventing a player from pursuing their career. (d) yes, fans have a say in what Blizzard (tournament organizer) does or doesn't do, much like fans have a say in what the NASCAR, FIFA, FIA/FOM, etc, do. It's not complete power (and thank the gods for that), but we, as a community, influence the way Blizzard is acting through what we express about things. Thus, since double-standard were shamelessly applied, it is the duty of this community to rise against what is a huge damage to the foreign scene's credibility and equity. | ||
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BeStFAN
483 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:39 WrathSCII wrote: It does not matter whether it was on EU or NA, the fact that he match fixed. He manipulated how the results should be. Whether he participates in EU or NA does not matter, otherwise it would be OK to match fix on any server as long as you do not fix on your own region. Which is kinda stupid. are you retarded, there's no proof that he had that intention and within reason there's no incentive for him to do so I seriously doubt someone paid him money to start pulling shit randomly on another ladder server. Unlike the case of the Frenchmen there's nothing for major to benefit from. | ||
Poopi
France12758 Posts
On April 10 2016 00:40 Kafka777 wrote: I was watching this ladder competition closely. I do believe Major in what he is saying and I don't think there was intentional foul play on his part. Having said that, he did "interfere" with the competition by taking points from some players and later giving some to others for "free" about 1-2 hours before lockdown. I think Major and Naniva as ineligible players should have stayed out of this, knowing their actions have positive or detrimental impact on some players results - its a matter of good manners to say the least. However there was nothing in the rules against it and the organization of the competition is not without fault here. But the problem is the system, because if a player that bought the game wants to play some ladder this day, he should be able to freely do so. If he wants to leave a game because he doesn't feel well or is afraid of an opponent or bored of a matchup/map, he should be able to do it (as long as he doesn't leave more than 5% of his games or whatever). So the problem is the qualification process :/. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:39 WrathSCII wrote: It does not matter whether it was on EU or NA, the fact that he match fixed. He manipulated how the results should be. Whether he participates in EU or NA does not matter, otherwise it would be OK to match fix on any server as long as you do not fix on your own region. Which is kinda stupid. There is no fact that he matchfixed. That's possibly what happened, that's also possibly what didn't happen. | ||
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BeStFAN
483 Posts
THERES NO REASON OR INCENTIVE FOR MAJOR TO RANDOMLY GIVE WINS TO RANDOM PEOPLE ON LADDER... IN EUROPE... When he's playing only Latin Americans... how does he possibly benefit from it?? It's a VERY far and wide claim to conclude that it was him charitably cheating | ||
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:49 BeStFAN wrote: can blizzard be reasonable and use their brains for a second: THERES NO REASON OR INCENTIVE FOR MAJOR TO RANDOMLY GIVE WINS TO RANDOM PEOPLE ON LADDER... IN EUROPE... When he's playing only Latin Americans... how does he possibly benefit from it?? It's a VERY far and wide claim to conclude that it was him charitably cheating I would assume they're specifically looking at his games versus Lambo because Lambo isn't a random person but MajOr's teammate. | ||
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Japan1926 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:53 Elentos wrote: I would assume they're specifically looking at his games versus Lambo because Lambo isn't a random person but MajOr's teammate. A very good point. But anyway, 6:2 score and no communication with the players sucks ... | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
Even if Major did intentionally throw a game because he likes a player (note, he can still actually do this, he just needs to derp through the game a little bit, then leave), the system is completely flawed. He (Major) has no reason to win, other than for the sake of practice. There is very little on the line for him. The same cannot be said for the players capable and interested in qualifying. But let's be real, I don't think Major really cares about who qualifies for the EU league. I don't think he was throwing games right and left. Ladder has never been taken seriously, even by pros. People can, and should be able to do whatever they want with the ladder. It is simply not a tournament environment, and cannot be treated as such. Looking at the silly rulebook, it says that... Players must compete to the best of their ability at all times. Any form of cheating will not be tolerated. All players are prohibited from influencing or manipulating a WCS game or match so that the outcome is determined by anything other than its merits. Examples of cheating would include: -- Collusion, match fixing or any other action to intentionally alter, or attempt to alter, the results of any game or match, including losing a game or match with another player in order to advance one or the other’s rank; -- Attempts to interfere with another player’s connection to the game service through Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) or any other means; -- Tampering with the entry process or the operation of the WCS; and -- Allowing an individual who is not the registered owner of a Battle.net Account to play on that Battle.net Account in StarCraft II or any other Blizzard game. Now, you need some pretty clear proof before you can claim the first point there. From the wording, it is clear that one must be doing it with the intention of helping one advance or improve their rank. You can't just see that someone left a game at the start, or just played super shitty, and this influenced the results of the ladder rankings, and then ban them from participating in WCS events. You need definitive proof of throwing the game, with the intention of helping other players. If they had a screenshot from a Skype group chat, where someone asks Major "oh hey man, can u lose for me on ladder? i am sooooo close 2 top 16, just need couple more wins men..." and Major responds, "oh ya man, i gotchu bb." and THEN you see 3+ losses in really shitty games from Major against said player. THEN YOU CAN BAN HIM. If they don't have that kind of proof, then it's just crazy. As for their last point, yeah, tons of people share accounts. If they want to enforce this, it's okay, I don't think it's a bad thing to enforce, but it should really just be used for tournament specific stuff. If Major played on someone's account during the Ladder Qualifier, that is clearly not okay. What Blizzard SHOULD have done, was issue warnings. When you have a new system in place, that differed from OLD systems, you really need to be a bit more lenient on the rules. And honestly, what they did with Major, and possibly MarineLord/whatshisname, was pretty damn ridiculous. Banning him without even a warning from basically his most important tournament of the year? That's just dumb... | ||
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