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On March 31 2016 20:07 DwD wrote:
The sentence seems a bit weak, they got a fine and probation. Not sure if that's enough to deter others from trying as well.
Sentences, no matter how hard they might be, rarely deter people from doing stupid shit.
On March 31 2016 20:07 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 20:02 Sjokola wrote:On March 31 2016 19:37 Elentos wrote:On March 31 2016 19:10 insitelol wrote:
How can you claim Gerrard deserves more. Like you were personally involved in the affair and know all the details. Let the prosecutor deal with it. Gawd. From the prosecutor's report, it seems Gerrard acted as the middle man between the players and the people trying to get them to matchfix. I think for that he should have been punished harder. I don't know. It's like conspirecy to commit murder and murder. Not actually doing the deed seems like it should be punished less severe? As a coach, his job is to protect his players from such influences. Instead, he introduced them to crime. Also, as he himself is not a pro and can't fix matches himself, what he did is basically the closest he could get to actually matchfixing.
I guess it depends if you consider that the coach is considered as hierarchically superior to the players or not.
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well, this is a good decision i think. still, im frustrated that not even Kespa is saying anything about Life.
Gerrard should have got fucked even more than Yoda.
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On March 31 2016 20:05 OtherWorld wrote:
This sounds like an almost appropriate sentence to me. Good job to Judge Seo Dong-chil.
Agreed. A fine hits them where it hurts, people match fix for money. On top of that 3 years probation. Ye seems about right.
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On March 31 2016 19:37 Elentos wrote:
From the prosecutor's report, it seems Gerrard acted as the middle man between the players and the people trying to get them to matchfix. I think for that he should have been punished harder.
Meaning no offense but the way a person is fined/punished is fully regulated by law according to the crime he commited. No need for speculations.
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On March 31 2016 20:29 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 20:05 OtherWorld wrote:
This sounds like an almost appropriate sentence to me. Good job to Judge Seo Dong-chil. Agreed. A fine hits them where it hurts, people match fix for money. On top of that 3 years probation. Ye seems about right.
+ the federation ban (which is kinda like sport's court). Definitely on point since it was for low sums and not like a big network of matchfixers.
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On March 31 2016 20:34 insitelol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 19:37 Elentos wrote:
From the prosecutor's report, it seems Gerrard acted as the middle man between the players and the people trying to get them to matchfix. I think for that he should have been punished harder. Meaning no offense but the way a person is fined/punished is fully regulated by law according to the crime he commited. No need for speculations.
uhh... dunno how it works in korea, but don't judges actually have quite a bit of discretion in sentencing? isn't that what sentencing hearings are for?
like yeah i'm sure the law regulates minimum/maximum sentences, but the judge can still take circumstances into account and be lenient or strict... (at least from what i know of western law)
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On March 31 2016 20:20 Dungeontay wrote:
well, this is a good decision i think. still, im frustrated that not even Kespa is saying anything about Life.
Gerrard should have got fucked even more than Yoda.
KeSPA has no say in this. This is a police investigation. Why would they release a statement publishing news on a ongoing investigation ? Even if they know i don't think they have the rights to give detail on an ongoing police investigation.
Good they got sentenced.
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On March 31 2016 21:22 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 20:20 Dungeontay wrote:
well, this is a good decision i think. still, im frustrated that not even Kespa is saying anything about Life.
Gerrard should have got fucked even more than Yoda. KeSPA has no say in this. This is a police investigation. Why would they release a statement publishing news on a ongoing investigation ? Even if they know i don't think they have the rights to give detail on an ongoing police investigation. Good they got sentenced.
Well, they don't need to release a statement on ongoing investigations, but a statement whether he's banned or not.
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On March 31 2016 18:12 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 18:07 opisska wrote:
Thank god it's not actual prison time. Even though it's hard to judge without knowledge of Korean society how harsh a punishment this is - in my country, having a criminal record (which a suspended sentence gives you) disqualifies you from a lot of jobs. Not only that, but I feel like the sentence itself is insanely harsh. Athlets who were caught using performance-enhancing drugs are punished less harsh than this in the western world, don't they? (I don't think a hard sentence is bad, just from a western perspective, it seems harsh)
Most modern PEDs are not actually illegal to take, they are just against the rules of most sports. No laws broken means no legal repercussions, and thus only whatever penalties the sport can enforce itself.
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lol the 2015 match-fixing "scandal" ends up with three-year probation for all the people involved in it.
All the noise, all the shouts, all the rage, all the accusations, ends up with no effective jail time. The declarations of the judge are just cliché. "Yeah, damaging the scene deserves a severe punishment, but since the kids are good in the bottom of their hearts, I will suspend their sentences". If the punishment established by law was really severe, gerrard and co., won't even had the chance of probation.
I hope that all the kids in this site will finally understand that arranging some irrelevant matches is no worthy of an excessive punishment.
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On March 31 2016 22:04 Apoteosis wrote:
lol the 2015 match-fixing "scandal" ends up with three-year probation for all the people involved in it.
sAviOr didn't go to jail either, actual jail time was never realistic.
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Not sure how the Korean justice system works as I don't watch too much k-drama, but this seems like a decent sentence. However I think Gerard should have gotten a harsher sentence.
Did Barbie ever say anything about Gerard and the match fixing?
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On March 31 2016 22:40 geokilla wrote:
Not sure how the Korean justice system works as I don't watch too much k-drama, but this seems like a decent sentence. However I think Gerard should have gotten a harsher sentence.
Did Barbie ever say anything about Gerard and the match fixing?
I get the feeling Barbie left him long before this scandal ever came to light, I mean, she left Prime over a year before it was revealed that Gerrard was a scumbag.
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On March 31 2016 18:11 Rollora wrote:? We dunno yet what life did, but I guess they don't keep him just for fun.
Word is out of some mob hits being performed by zerglings.
There is only one man capable of that. Normally he would be more careful but after his match with Taeja he was a little tired, and some of the witnesses survived to report of zerglings at the crime scene.
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On March 31 2016 22:04 Apoteosis wrote:
lol the 2015 match-fixing "scandal" ends up with three-year probation for all the people involved in it.
All the noise, all the shouts, all the rage, all the accusations, ends up with no effective jail time. The declarations of the judge are just cliché. "Yeah, damaging the scene deserves a severe punishment, but since the kids are good in the bottom of their hearts, I will suspend their sentences". If the punishment established by law was really severe, gerrard and co., won't even had the chance of probation.
I hope that all the kids in this site will finally understand that arranging some irrelevant matches is no worthy of an excessive punishment.
Wait, cliche? How so? The judge basically said: This is your first offense. You won't get off with a slap on the wrist but you'll receive a necessary form of punishment. Understand that any further offenses will result in more severe punishment.
This way of thinking is way different compared to other countries, especially the U.S., where we imprison people for life for first time, non-violent drug offenses and let Wall Street pay a fine for almost destroying the economy.
But I could be interpreting what you're saying wrong.
I'm just glad that this has been resolved, in a way, and now, we patiently wait for Life...
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Why was Yoda's fine greater than B4 and Gerard's ?
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On April 01 2016 01:39 Shinespark wrote:
Why was Yoda's fine greater than B4 and Gerard's ?
Judging from the prosecutor's report back when the whole scandal came out, it seems he made the most money out of the 3 from matchfixing.
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On April 01 2016 01:41 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2016 01:39 Shinespark wrote:
Why was Yoda's fine greater than B4 and Gerard's ? Judging from the prosecutor's report back when the whole scandal came out, it seems he made the most money out of the 3 from matchfixing.
What I thought happened was that most of the money they made from matchfixing was spent trying to keep Prime afloat...
I thought they didn't keep much for themselves.
Am I wrong?
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nobody cares about those nonames... WHAT'S WITH LIFE :'((((
Kappa 
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On March 31 2016 21:03 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 20:34 insitelol wrote:On March 31 2016 19:37 Elentos wrote:
From the prosecutor's report, it seems Gerrard acted as the middle man between the players and the people trying to get them to matchfix. I think for that he should have been punished harder. Meaning no offense but the way a person is fined/punished is fully regulated by law according to the crime he commited. No need for speculations. uhh... dunno how it works in korea, but don't judges actually have quite a bit of discretion in sentencing? isn't that what sentencing hearings are for? like yeah i'm sure the law regulates minimum/maximum sentences, but the judge can still take circumstances into account and be lenient or strict... (at least from what i know of western law)
Yes it works that way in almost every state. But that doesnt mean judge decides everything according to his free will. A final decision within the min/max sentence range depends on a clearly defined set of factors (circumstances, the degree of the guilt, mental state of a culprit etc etc). And these factors are not something undefined or blurred. The exact definitions of these are given in legal acts.
p.s. yes i'm a lawyer. not a native english speaker though so the definitions i've given may not be the exact ones used in english speaking countries, so i apologize for that.
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