EPTPRIME match-fixers given suspended sentences - Page 4
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On the Life thing, if we use this as an example. The majority of the matches fixed happened in January 2015, we heard nothing official till October. Life was arrested in February, we may be waiting quite a while yet | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44933 Posts
On March 31 2016 17:34 Ragnarork wrote: If I understand correctly, they got less, no? Yup; that's crazy. I assume they're banned from competitive e-sports for life too? | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On April 01 2016 02:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yup; that's crazy. I assume they're banned from competitive e-sports for life too? They were banned for life by KeSPA back in October, yeah. I guess technically, they could try to get something done outside of KeSPA, but with their history, it's not very likely. Especially since most streaming services will cooperate with KeSPA on this, we'll probably not hear from them again in an eSports context, unless matchfixing is brought up. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 01 2016 02:36 showstealer1829 wrote: Probably the expected sentence, huge fines and loss of careers are punishment enough. On the Life thing, if we use this as an example. The majority of the matches fixed happened in January 2015, we heard nothing official till October. Life was arrested in February, we may be waiting quite a while yet The Prime guys didn't get arrested in January though? For all we know, Life might be concerned about games happening in January 2015 too... | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On March 31 2016 17:19 Penev wrote: Weird they all got the same sentence; You'd expect a higher sentence for Gerrard. I'd agree, but I guess the rationale is "it's the actual syndicates we want, hitting these guys hard doesn't do much of anything". | ||
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bypLy
757 Posts
thats great, hope to see them back in the starcraft scene ot did they get a ban as well? | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On April 01 2016 04:31 bypLy wrote: so they are free basically and can do what they want unless they wont commit further crime, thats great, hope to see them back in the starcraft scene ot did they get a ban as well? They are banned for life by KeSPA. Odds are you'll never see any of them again. | ||
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
On April 01 2016 01:39 Ja.Y. wrote: Wait, cliche? How so? The judge basically said: This is your first offense. You won't get off with a slap on the wrist but you'll receive a necessary form of punishment. Understand that any further offenses will result in more severe punishment. This way of thinking is way different compared to other countries, especially the U.S., where we imprison people for life for first time, non-violent drug offenses and let Wall Street pay a fine for almost destroying the economy. But I could be interpreting what you're saying wrong. I'm just glad that this has been resolved, in a way, and now, we patiently wait for Life... I apologize beforehand if I was misunderstood; I'm a lawyer in a continental law system, so my english, common law lexica is somewhat poor. With that said, I think that the judge simply applied basic principles of criminal law in this case, which are: proportionality between the crime and the punishment, consideration of attenuating circumstances, etc. So in this case, it was pretty obvious that the Prime guys won't spend a single night at jail (which is effective punishment), because it was their first crime, and the charges were for just misdemeanors (instead of major crimes). So, the Prime guys were candidates to applying to alternative punishment (instead of jail), like probation, paying fines, etc. Plus, there is a concept behind every crime, that is the actual good that the law is taking care of (i.e.: murder, which is a major crime, tends to protect the human life, a desirable good that is protected by the law). In the case of match-fixing, I think that this good is the gambling forbiddance. That is why I think the Judge's statement was mere cliché: because he knew that, despite their intentions, he was forced to apply the alternative punishment. | ||
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
On April 01 2016 02:32 stuchiu wrote: How did Gerrard get less when he was the ringleader? Because he wasn't the matherial author of the match fix, neither his "intellectual" autor. He was a middle man, so he was a mere accomplice of the criminal offense. Accomplices always got less punishment than the author of a criminal offense. That's why. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On April 01 2016 02:32 stuchiu wrote: How did Gerrard get less when he was the ringleader? He probably was the one who snitched them out and cooperated. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On April 01 2016 01:54 africola wrote: nobody cares about those nonames... WHAT'S WITH LIFE :'(((( User was warned for this post Well + Show Spoiler + | ||
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BingbingBOPOMOFO
21 Posts
Also, what is with their punishment? What's the point of having a judicial system if they don't even get punished for their crimes. They stole money, and lots of it, and they just hit with petty fines? Give them 10 to 15 years so they smarten up instead of just letting them go into the wild after a year where they'll do even more damage.. | ||
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flipstar
226 Posts
On April 01 2016 06:44 BingbingBOPOMOFO wrote: Criminals are the worst. I'm glad Teamliquid and it's community isn't backing these criminal heinous acts. I think I say with confidence we would be better if these idiots were not part of community at all, and they should never be welcomed back into our gracious hands. Savior, you too. Also, what is with their punishment? What's the point of having a judicial system if they don't even get punished for their crimes. They stole money, and lots of it, and they just hit with petty fines? Give them 10 to 15 years so they smarten up instead of just letting them go into the wild after a year where they'll do even more damage.. American spotted, most likely republican. User was warned for this post | ||
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20-Minute-Jackal
United States336 Posts
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sertas
Sweden888 Posts
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Ciaus237
South Africa286 Posts
On April 01 2016 06:44 BingbingBOPOMOFO wrote: Also, what is with their punishment? What's the point of having a judicial system if they don't even get punished for their crimes. They stole money, and lots of it, and they just hit with petty fines? Give them 10 to 15 years so they smarten up instead of just letting them go into the wild after a year where they'll do even more damage.. You propose an absolutely ridiculous punishment for what they did. The criminal record, fines (on people who clearly were in need of the money) and effective removal from e-sports (the entirety of their career experience) are altogether huge and life changing punishments. Are you saying someone should lose more than a decade of their life for match-fixing in a sport? Especially when you consider these aren't the ring-leaders and organised criminals, the players especially were likely to a large degree manipulated by both the criminal organisations and their position as under-performing pro-gamers not making enough to really sustain themselves on the only career path they'd so far invested in. | ||
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SeriousLus
169 Posts
i thought america was retarded but this is beyond anything i could have ever imagined. but i read this on April 1st.. is it a joke?? has to be | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On March 31 2016 21:46 Swisslink wrote: Well, they don't need to release a statement on ongoing investigations, but a statement whether he's banned or not. When KeSPA bans a player you will know. IF no statement. No ban for now. On April 01 2016 02:32 stuchiu wrote: How did Gerrard get less when he was the ringleader? Maybe YoDa was deeper in this that we know | ||
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