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On March 27 2016 19:32 OzhMa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 11:38 HugoBallzak wrote:
lol polt the only terran on that list. I think it pretty much proves that terran is the hardest race to play at the pro level. Yeah its just sad that in the non korean scene you never see terran win anything. Terran barely makes it into the Ro 32 / 16 of tournaments. As you pointed out it just shows that Terran is harder to play and to master than Zerg and Protoss. Thanks David 
the bait is real
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On March 27 2016 11:38 HugoBallzak wrote:
lol polt the only terran on that list. I think it pretty much proves that terran is the hardest race to play at the pro level.
Not just at pro level
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Congrats to Harstem, he looked very sharp.
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Congrats to Harstem.
That said, this is the 2nd time recently that huge tournament spoilers have been posted on the home page. It makes me afraid to check the headlines, and I'm not sure what the idea is behind it. I love TL but I come here as my source for SC2 action, not spoilers.
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On March 27 2016 21:27 JAG.war wrote:
Congrats to Harstem.
That said, this is the 2nd time recently that huge tournament spoilers have been posted on the home page. It makes me afraid to check the headlines, and I'm not sure what the idea is behind it. I love TL but I come here as my source for SC2 action, not spoilers.
dont go to a sc2 news site if you are not interested in sc2 news. easy enough
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Congratulations to Harstem, I really like him, but let's face it...
In order to win this championship, he had to beat Has, puCK and finally Snute. Beating Snute is quite impressive, but Has and puCK to win a championship? That's... <fill in your prefered word>
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On March 27 2016 23:25 sd_andeh wrote:
Congratulations to Harstem, I really like him, but let's face it...
In order to win this championship, he had to beat Has, puCK and finally Snute. Beating Snute is quite impressive, but Has and puCK to win a championship? That's... <fill in your prefered word>
I'm not someone that is dismayed by the new WCS changes, and I'm looking froward to seeing foreigners at Blizzcon, but yeah that was perhaps an underwhelming set of opponents bar Snute. In Harstem's defence he did play well in the finals and showed what until now he only hinted at. For me it was disappointing Nerchio and Snute played each other so early on.
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On March 27 2016 23:25 sd_andeh wrote:
Congratulations to Harstem, I really like him, but let's face it...
In order to win this championship, he had to beat Has, puCK and finally Snute. Beating Snute is quite impressive, but Has and puCK to win a championship? That's... <fill in your prefered word>
Did you watch how Snute actually played versus Harstem though? Winning against a Snute on that level didn't require too much.
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I wonder if we can start using these foreigner only tournaments as an excuse to balance whine and call for changes to be made because it is pretty obvious that terran is by far the weakest race at the moment.
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On March 28 2016 01:12 HugoBallzak wrote:
I wonder if we can start using these foreigner only tournaments as an excuse to balance whine and call for changes to be made because it is pretty obvious that terran is by far the weakest race at the moment.
Terran does fine in Korea so I doubt you'll get anywhere with that.
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Congrats to HashtagHarstem!
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Great job!! Congrats Harstem!
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On March 27 2016 11:39 HugoBallzak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 11:23 ZerglingSoup wrote:How come these guys are allowed to play in Asian tournaments? I thought these were region locked? Thats because region lock is just doublespeak for ban koreans.
Seems really unreasonable. I wonder if EU/China is gonna have a similar slope to kori/rest.
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Congrats to my countryman winning this!
Haven't been following sc2, so I looked up the liquipedia page... Where are all the Koreans? Don't they get travelling money to go to Shanghai (and Norwegians/Dutchies do?), or is this a non-Korean only event for some reason? Or did Korea stop playing sc2 altogether? I hope he beat them fair and square, but I can't really believe it 
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On March 28 2016 18:54 nepeta wrote:Congrats to my countryman winning this! Haven't been following sc2, so I looked up the liquipedia page... Where are all the Koreans? Don't they get travelling money to go to Shanghai (and Norwegians/Dutchies do?), or is this a non-Korean only event for some reason? Or did Korea stop playing sc2 altogether? I hope he beat them fair and square, but I can't really believe it
All WCS events are region-locked. Koreans can only play in them if they have a valid visa. So there's like 4 Koreans who play in WCS atm, and 3 of them skipped this.This also includes Dreamhacks and IEMs.
High level Koreans now only play in Korea (and at Blizzcon). Or in what Blizzard dubbed "Global Events". Which will probably be 3 or less throughout the entire year seeing as it's March and we've only vaguely heard that one is in the planning.
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On March 28 2016 01:00 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 23:25 sd_andeh wrote:
Congratulations to Harstem, I really like him, but let's face it...
In order to win this championship, he had to beat Has, puCK and finally Snute. Beating Snute is quite impressive, but Has and puCK to win a championship? That's... <fill in your prefered word> Did you watch how Snute actually played versus Harstem though? Winning against a Snute on that level didn't require too much.
I agree. I'm very happy for Harstem, he's always been a cool guy, but it feels weird to have a foreigner win a premier tournament this way, like "premier" has been watered out so much with all the new changes its more like a small LAN/major. But a win is a win is a win, heres to hoping foreigners will put up a fight at blizzcon!
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On March 28 2016 19:09 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 18:54 nepeta wrote:Congrats to my countryman winning this! Haven't been following sc2, so I looked up the liquipedia page... Where are all the Koreans? Don't they get travelling money to go to Shanghai (and Norwegians/Dutchies do?), or is this a non-Korean only event for some reason? Or did Korea stop playing sc2 altogether? I hope he beat them fair and square, but I can't really believe it All WCS events are region-locked. Koreans can only play in them if they have a valid visa. So there's like 4 Koreans who play in WCS atm, and 3 of them skipped this.This also includes Dreamhacks and IEMs. High level Koreans now only play in Korea (and at Blizzcon). Or in what Blizzard dubbed "Global Events". Which will probably be 3 or less throughout the entire year seeing as it's March and we've only vaguely heard that one is in the planning.
That's pretty bad. Thanks for the info.
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I'm not going to lie to you guys... When I saw this post I thought to myself "Yeah, but he didn't play any Koreans..."
These wins to a viewer like me, mean nothing. The WCS system is dumb now because when a foreigner wins, people are celebrating ... but who did they win against?
If the weakest NBA team played in March Madness and won, this is what it would be like to me - Great, you won a tournament full of people you should be able to beat. Let me know when you actually beat someone of worth and I will champion you. But beating foreigners is still beating foreigners. The Koreans are the best and we all know that yet we pretend this means nothing?
At the end of the year, when the Koreans finally face foreigners and absolutely destroy them, these victories will mean nothing because they meant nothing to start with if the best competition can't compete.
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On March 29 2016 00:41 hoby2000 wrote:
I'm not going to lie to you guys... When I saw this post I thought to myself "Yeah, but he didn't play any Koreans..."
These wins to a viewer like me, mean nothing. The WCS system is dumb now because when a foreigner wins, people are celebrating ... but who did they win against?
If the weakest NBA team played in March Madness and won, this is what it would be like to me - Great, you won a tournament full of people you should be able to beat. Let me know when you actually beat someone of worth and I will champion you. But beating foreigners is still beating foreigners. The Koreans are the best and we all know that yet we pretend this means nothing?
At the end of the year, when the Koreans finally face foreigners and absolutely destroy them, these victories will mean nothing because they meant nothing to start with if the best competition can't compete.
The idea of it is that your supporting someone local.
You can live in China or Europe and still cheer on your local basketball team in the local League, even if they did not face any American basketball teams.
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On March 29 2016 00:41 hoby2000 wrote:
I'm not going to lie to you guys... When I saw this post I thought to myself "Yeah, but he didn't play any Koreans..."
These wins to a viewer like me, mean nothing. The WCS system is dumb now because when a foreigner wins, people are celebrating ... but who did they win against?
If the weakest NBA team played in March Madness and won, this is what it would be like to me - Great, you won a tournament full of people you should be able to beat. Let me know when you actually beat someone of worth and I will champion you. But beating foreigners is still beating foreigners. The Koreans are the best and we all know that yet we pretend this means nothing?
At the end of the year, when the Koreans finally face foreigners and absolutely destroy them, these victories will mean nothing because they meant nothing to start with if the best competition can't compete.
"The Koreans" is such a vague statement considering the context. The Koreans that were winning these tournaments could by no means be considered the best in the world for said accomplishment either. In fact oftentimes they were specifically known for not being the best in the world at all. To me those accomplishments in terms of "who did they beat" were less valuable and without much meaning, than knowing someone beat the entirety of the field outside of Korea (in theory). The best in the world is decided in Korea regardless of system.
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