http://www.teamyp.com/dragon-joins-team-yp
Congrats to Dragon and I'm glad to see more sponsors working with SC2 Players!
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
http://www.teamyp.com/dragon-joins-team-yp Congrats to Dragon and I'm glad to see more sponsors working with SC2 Players! | ||
TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
And Dragon "69 cents" is in :D | ||
Deathstar
9150 Posts
That said, these two seem like a good match so I hope Dragon starts practicing seriously and makes good runs into tournaments :D | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
Good for dragon and good for the scene though | ||
Wrath
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Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
Well good for Dragon, didn't even know he was still active. | ||
nukem1
324 Posts
On February 17 2016 04:58 WrathSCII wrote: What does YP stand for? Seriously I have no idea... it's an adult site... They do support other esport teams/players, it's not really their first taste of gaming | ||
Deathstar
9150 Posts
On February 17 2016 04:59 Musicus wrote: I also think it's cool that they are in esports, but it's kinda sad that they have to hide. I mean nobody really knows about this YP team and their site. If they advertised "hey look at our new sc2 player" on their main website, that would be really huge! Well good for Dragon, didn't even know he was still active. He is one of the most prolific streamers, if not #1, for sc2 and has been for a while. | ||
Ej_
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CheddarToss
534 Posts
Edit: Ohh, just read on Liquipedia Counterstirke that it is. Wow, I'm amazed. O_O Edit 2: ...it's kinda fitting that Dragon aka the "Sexking" would join their roster. | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
though this roster is not enough to have a YP vs dP showmatch | ||
Wrath
3174 Posts
On February 17 2016 05:22 CheddarToss wrote: Is this the You P*** website? If so, it seems kinda odd that they would sponsor gamers. Edit: Ohh, just read on Liquipedia Counterstirke that it is. Wow, I'm amazed. O_O Edit 2: ...it's kinda fitting that Dragon aka the "Sexking" would join their roster. Oh god... Can't wait for the player announcement on events.... You P*** Dragon! haha that would be awesome. | ||
Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
On February 17 2016 05:33 WrathSCII wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 05:22 CheddarToss wrote: Is this the You P*** website? If so, it seems kinda odd that they would sponsor gamers. Edit: Ohh, just read on Liquipedia Counterstirke that it is. Wow, I'm amazed. O_O Edit 2: ...it's kinda fitting that Dragon aka the "Sexking" would join their roster. Oh god... Can't wait for the player announcement on events.... You P*** Dragon! haha that would be awesome. Well the team is called YP and not You Porn, so it will be pretty normal. | ||
billynasty
United States260 Posts
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Grizvok
United States711 Posts
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
As OtherWorld mentioned, I don't understand the reason behind sponsoring a team if you can't explicitly name yourself. I guess if the audience already knows it, then no need to be explicit, but you will still run into the audience that will scratch their heads (although who doesn't know of the most popular adult site ever). As far as I know, maybe on his stream Dragon can mention the his sponsor's full name, but during any official competition he isn't allowed to mention it. edit: Congrats Dragon on your sponsor! I will be the first here to admit it, but I visit your sponsors website very often, so kudos to them. | ||
Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
On February 17 2016 05:45 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Although most of us know YP refers to the adult site, but if you go to their website there is no mention of the official 'sponsor'. As OtherWorld mentioned, I don't understand the reason behind sponsoring a team if you can't explicitly name yourself. I guess if the audience already knows it, then no need to be explicit, but you will still run into the audience that will scratch their heads (although who doesn't know of the most popular adult site ever). As far as I know, maybe on his stream Dragon can mention the his sponsor's full name, but during any official competition he isn't allowed to mention it. edit: Congrats Dragon on your sponsor! I will be the first here to admit it, but I visit your sponsors website very often, so kudos to them. They are trying to be funny about it, so it's an interesting approach. I hope it works out for them and this investment will be worth it. http://www.teamyp.com/censorship-in-esports/#post-top | ||
Deathstar
9150 Posts
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beheamoth
44 Posts
On February 17 2016 05:22 CheddarToss wrote: Is this the You P*** website? If so, it seems kinda odd that they would sponsor gamers. Edit: Ohh, just read on Liquipedia Counterstirke that it is. Wow, I'm amazed. O_O Edit 2: ...it's kinda fitting that Dragon aka the "Sexking" would join their roster. You think its odd A PR0N site would sponsor a domain of young adolescent teens who dream of grilz n shit. Come on now. | ||
SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 17 2016 05:47 Musicus wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 05:45 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Although most of us know YP refers to the adult site, but if you go to their website there is no mention of the official 'sponsor'. As OtherWorld mentioned, I don't understand the reason behind sponsoring a team if you can't explicitly name yourself. I guess if the audience already knows it, then no need to be explicit, but you will still run into the audience that will scratch their heads (although who doesn't know of the most popular adult site ever). As far as I know, maybe on his stream Dragon can mention the his sponsor's full name, but during any official competition he isn't allowed to mention it. edit: Congrats Dragon on your sponsor! I will be the first here to admit it, but I visit your sponsors website very often, so kudos to them. They are trying to be funny about it, so it's an interesting approach. I hope it works out for them and this investment will be worth it. http://www.teamyp.com/censorship-in-esports/#post-top I don't doubt the funniness of such a sponsor, I just doubt the viability of their investment. Most likely scenario is probably that YouPorn's owner is passionate about eSports though, so who cares about the viability. | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On February 17 2016 06:14 OtherWorld wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 05:47 Musicus wrote: On February 17 2016 05:45 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Although most of us know YP refers to the adult site, but if you go to their website there is no mention of the official 'sponsor'. As OtherWorld mentioned, I don't understand the reason behind sponsoring a team if you can't explicitly name yourself. I guess if the audience already knows it, then no need to be explicit, but you will still run into the audience that will scratch their heads (although who doesn't know of the most popular adult site ever). As far as I know, maybe on his stream Dragon can mention the his sponsor's full name, but during any official competition he isn't allowed to mention it. edit: Congrats Dragon on your sponsor! I will be the first here to admit it, but I visit your sponsors website very often, so kudos to them. They are trying to be funny about it, so it's an interesting approach. I hope it works out for them and this investment will be worth it. http://www.teamyp.com/censorship-in-esports/#post-top I don't doubt the funniness of such a sponsor, I just doubt the viability of their investment. Most likely scenario is probably that YouPorn's owner is passionate about eSports though, so who cares about the viability. I imagine ONE of the teams they have are allowed to talk about their sponsors. Like does nintendo honestly know that a melee player is sponsored by YP? I agree with you that its probably just passionate owners with money to spend but I also imagine at least one of their teams are allowed to talk about it. | ||
Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On February 17 2016 06:14 OtherWorld wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 05:47 Musicus wrote: On February 17 2016 05:45 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Although most of us know YP refers to the adult site, but if you go to their website there is no mention of the official 'sponsor'. As OtherWorld mentioned, I don't understand the reason behind sponsoring a team if you can't explicitly name yourself. I guess if the audience already knows it, then no need to be explicit, but you will still run into the audience that will scratch their heads (although who doesn't know of the most popular adult site ever). As far as I know, maybe on his stream Dragon can mention the his sponsor's full name, but during any official competition he isn't allowed to mention it. edit: Congrats Dragon on your sponsor! I will be the first here to admit it, but I visit your sponsors website very often, so kudos to them. They are trying to be funny about it, so it's an interesting approach. I hope it works out for them and this investment will be worth it. http://www.teamyp.com/censorship-in-esports/#post-top I don't doubt the funniness of such a sponsor, I just doubt the viability of their investment. Most likely scenario is probably that YouPorn's owner is passionate about eSports though, so who cares about the viability. I don't think there's a lot of "viable" investments right now in SC2. You're going to lose money before you even think about making profit. It's all about the #PASSION | ||
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
With all the adult sites out there, the competition must be stiff. Anything that puts more awareness on YouPorn, subtle or explicit, would be a good thing IMO. Now mind you, I visit only 2 porno sites, YP and BYL, and on YP they stated they would sponsor esports teams, so this comes as no surprise. I guess to support YP I am going to subscribe for a month. Too bad we can't put in a code like G2A or Amazon that gives Dragon a small percentage of my subscription. | ||
Grizvok
United States711 Posts
On February 17 2016 06:24 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: The team logo font is identical to YouPorn's logo, so there is some visibility. I don't know how viable is this investment, but many adult gamers probably already recognize YouPorn as the sponsor without being explicit about it. Only one person on this thread was not aware. With all the adult sites out there, the competition must be stiff. Anything that puts more awareness on YouPorn, subtle or explicit, would be a good thing IMO. Now mind you, I visit only 2 porno sites, YP and BYL, and on YP they stated they would sponsor esports teams, so this comes as no surprise. I guess to support YP I am going to subscribe for a month. Too bad we can't put in a code like G2A or Amazon that gives Dragon a small percentage of my subscription. Was the usage of stiff on purpose? | ||
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On February 17 2016 06:30 Grizvok wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 06:24 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: The team logo font is identical to YouPorn's logo, so there is some visibility. I don't know how viable is this investment, but many adult gamers probably already recognize YouPorn as the sponsor without being explicit about it. Only one person on this thread was not aware. With all the adult sites out there, the competition must be stiff. Anything that puts more awareness on YouPorn, subtle or explicit, would be a good thing IMO. Now mind you, I visit only 2 porno sites, YP and BYL, and on YP they stated they would sponsor esports teams, so this comes as no surprise. I guess to support YP I am going to subscribe for a month. Too bad we can't put in a code like G2A or Amazon that gives Dragon a small percentage of my subscription. Was the usage of stiff on purpose? Puns are better used when you have to ask that question | ||
Elentos
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
But this is kind of a cool move by them :D | ||
argonautdice
Canada2649 Posts
On February 17 2016 07:13 LemOn wrote: Man I quit watching porn around a year ago But this is kind of a cool move by them :D So what do you watch now? | ||
Elentos
55454 Posts
On February 17 2016 07:31 argonautdice wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 07:13 LemOn wrote: Man I quit watching porn around a year ago But this is kind of a cool move by them :D So what do you watch now? Starcraft 24 hours a day | ||
ThorPool
Panama145 Posts
An awesome move by YP. I hope the support lets him practice enough to be back on a Pro level. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On February 17 2016 06:14 OtherWorld wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 05:47 Musicus wrote: On February 17 2016 05:45 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Although most of us know YP refers to the adult site, but if you go to their website there is no mention of the official 'sponsor'. As OtherWorld mentioned, I don't understand the reason behind sponsoring a team if you can't explicitly name yourself. I guess if the audience already knows it, then no need to be explicit, but you will still run into the audience that will scratch their heads (although who doesn't know of the most popular adult site ever). As far as I know, maybe on his stream Dragon can mention the his sponsor's full name, but during any official competition he isn't allowed to mention it. edit: Congrats Dragon on your sponsor! I will be the first here to admit it, but I visit your sponsors website very often, so kudos to them. They are trying to be funny about it, so it's an interesting approach. I hope it works out for them and this investment will be worth it. http://www.teamyp.com/censorship-in-esports/#post-top I don't doubt the funniness of such a sponsor, I just doubt the viability of their investment. Most likely scenario is probably that YouPorn's owner is passionate about eSports though, so who cares about the viability. Isn't the gaming viewerbase their target audience in terms of age? So support eSports by ... ... checking out YP products? I mean their shirts and mugs, obviously. | ||
pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On February 17 2016 06:24 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: The team logo font is identical to YouPorn's logo, so there is some visibility. I don't know how viable is this investment, but many adult gamers probably already recognize YouPorn as the sponsor without being explicit about it. Only one person on this thread was not aware. With all the adult sites out there, the competition must be stiff. Anything that puts more awareness on YouPorn, subtle or explicit, would be a good thing IMO. Now mind you, I visit only 2 porno sites, YP and BYL, and on YP they stated they would sponsor esports teams, so this comes as no surprise. I guess to support YP I am going to subscribe for a month. Too bad we can't put in a code like G2A or Amazon that gives Dragon a small percentage of my subscription. I wasn't aware either, despite having had dealings with YouPorn in the past. I wonder how many people will recognize it. The demographics for gamers and porn afficionados can't be too dissimilar so maybe it makes business sense. | ||
LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On February 17 2016 07:31 argonautdice wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 07:13 LemOn wrote: Man I quit watching porn around a year ago But this is kind of a cool move by them :D So what do you watch now? nothing dirty, fapping to porn is just super bad for ya so I quit. But it'll be fun when the youporn dragon will stick it to other players like Scarlett etc | ||
KimJongIlJr
Korea (North)61 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9213 Posts
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RoninKenshin
Canada97 Posts
1) The amount of money is less than a drop in a bucket. It's less than a drop in a bucket for their advertising budget. This is absolutely nothing to them. Even if they paid Dragon $100k USD, which I'm sure they didn't, it wouldn't phase them in the slightest. 2) Even if they can't use their name or logos, almost everyone clearly knows who they are, and the conversation has already started. It's a smart move to ensure a continued prescence. If someone doesn't know like earlier in the thread, they'll ask and it will be answered quickly. I'm not a supporter of this move for a moral/ethical reason (though not completely against it either), but they definitely have no problems on the business side of this sponsorship. | ||
aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36645 Posts
On February 17 2016 08:44 Weavel wrote: Why isn't this on community news? Usually new teams show up there. We're discussing that now. But it's not looking too good. | ||
swissman777
1106 Posts
On February 17 2016 06:24 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: The team logo font is identical to YouPorn's logo, so there is some visibility. I don't know how viable is this investment, but many adult gamers probably already recognize YouPorn as the sponsor without being explicit about it. Only one person on this thread was not aware. With all the adult sites out there, the competition must be stiff. Anything that puts more awareness on YouPorn, subtle or explicit, would be a good thing IMO. Now mind you, I visit only 2 porno sites, YP and BYL, and on YP they stated they would sponsor esports teams, so this comes as no surprise. I guess to support YP I am going to subscribe for a month. Too bad we can't put in a code like G2A or Amazon that gives Dragon a small percentage of my subscription. Hey, I wan't aware and I know you porn.... but I get the point. Still, if it is recognized by only those who know about it, how would you expect to sell your brand.... you have to make some profit | ||
swissman777
1106 Posts
On February 17 2016 09:43 Seeker wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 08:44 Weavel wrote: Why isn't this on community news? Usually new teams show up there. We're discussing that now. But it's not looking too good. Maybe give news in a more darker tone and away from "We would like to wish YP the best and hope that they get their investment's worth by getting people to watch more porn" | ||
pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On February 17 2016 09:43 Seeker wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 08:44 Weavel wrote: Why isn't this on community news? Usually new teams show up there. We're discussing that now. But it's not looking too good. Because pornography is unsavory or because a lot of SC2 gamers are minors? If the former, that sets a potentially dangerous precedent. If the latter, would TL display the same caution if Budweiser decided to sponsor a player? Murky ground. | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On February 17 2016 10:24 pure.Wasted wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 09:43 Seeker wrote: On February 17 2016 08:44 Weavel wrote: Why isn't this on community news? Usually new teams show up there. We're discussing that now. But it's not looking too good. Because pornography is unsavory or because a lot of SC2 gamers are minors? If the former, that sets a potentially dangerous precedent. If the latter, would TL display the same caution if Budweiser decided to sponsor a player? Murky ground. But not allowing it is perpetuating the thing we've spent most of this thread discussing, the ROI of a pornsite sponsoring an esports team. In my opinion if Dragon is allowed to be featured as a streamer then this thread should be featured. Featuring Dragon but not this thread would still advertise porn to the people on TL via dragon streaming. Now if he's no longer featured because his channel would advertise YP to potentially minors that's a whole different conversation. but as long as he's a featured streamer the end result is still the same. EDIT: I realize I use "advertise porn" and "advertise YP" interchangeably, as they're basically the same for all intents and purposes | ||
aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
On February 17 2016 10:24 pure.Wasted wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 09:43 Seeker wrote: On February 17 2016 08:44 Weavel wrote: Why isn't this on community news? Usually new teams show up there. We're discussing that now. But it's not looking too good. Because pornography is unsavory or because a lot of SC2 gamers are minors? If the former, that sets a potentially dangerous precedent. If the latter, would TL display the same caution if Budweiser decided to sponsor a player? Murky ground. There might also be a problem with the type of ads that this discussion makes likely to pop up | ||
geokilla
Canada8162 Posts
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On February 17 2016 08:44 Weavel wrote: Why isn't this on community news? Usually new teams show up there. The same reason that all cheaters aren't on sc2 news | ||
Scarlett`
Canada2363 Posts
On February 17 2016 07:56 LemOn wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 07:31 argonautdice wrote: On February 17 2016 07:13 LemOn wrote: Man I quit watching porn around a year ago But this is kind of a cool move by them :D So what do you watch now? nothing dirty, fapping to porn is just super bad for ya so I quit. But it'll be fun when the youporn dragon will stick it to other players like Scarlett etc what @_@? | ||
BreAKerTV
Taiwan1656 Posts
On February 17 2016 04:51 TurboMaN wrote: Is this the YP I think it is? And Dragon "69 cents" is in :D yes. I've had to talk business with them before. | ||
BronzeKnee
United States5207 Posts
If E-Sports wants to be legitimate, pornography sponsors are exactly what it doesn't need. What a step in the wrong direction. Back in 2011, I really thought I'd be watching SC2 games on TV by now, with teams sponsored by Budweiser and stuff. Instead, I'm still watching games on streams with viewership that has declined, and teams sponsored by pornographers. How could SC2 have been managed so poorly? | ||
pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On February 17 2016 14:03 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 07:56 LemOn wrote: On February 17 2016 07:31 argonautdice wrote: On February 17 2016 07:13 LemOn wrote: Man I quit watching porn around a year ago But this is kind of a cool move by them :D So what do you watch now? nothing dirty, fapping to porn is just super bad for ya so I quit. But it'll be fun when the youporn dragon will stick it to other players like Scarlett etc what @_@? Hahaha you're not the only one who's curious. | ||
Richasliodo
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digmouse
China6278 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On February 17 2016 15:49 digmouse wrote: Before someone asks, this means he probably can't play in any WCS event due to porn being a banned sponsor from WCS. Does that include GSL/SSL? Is he even in Korea, I had no idea until today he was even still trying to be a player as opposed to just a streamer | ||
digmouse
China6278 Posts
On February 17 2016 15:55 chipmonklord17 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 15:49 digmouse wrote: Before someone asks, this means he probably can't play in any WCS event due to porn being a banned sponsor from WCS. Does that include GSL/SSL? Is he even in Korea, I had no idea until today he was even still trying to be a player as opposed to just a streamer I believe the WCS rulebook covers Korean events as well, but yeah I doubt this will matter as Dragon isn't exactly playing very competitively anyway. | ||
Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36645 Posts
On February 17 2016 16:18 Lazare1969 wrote: Still sounds better than KT Fingerboom. Debatable. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
On February 17 2016 14:06 BronzeKnee wrote: Pornography is a sideshow. Always has been, always will be. If E-Sports wants to be legitimate, pornography sponsors are exactly what it doesn't need. What a step in the wrong direction. Back in 2011, I really thought I'd be watching SC2 games on TV by now, with teams sponsored by Budweiser and stuff. Instead, I'm still watching games on streams with viewership that has declined, and teams sponsored by pornographers. How could SC2 have been managed so poorly? lol, you're a perfect example of the type of people that cause sponsors to not want anything to do with the scene. whenever anyone decided they wanted to step in and help, they had to be judged by the TL community first and the only ones to talk would be people like you who wanted to complain, start witch hunts, and chase the sponsors/players off with your illogical thinking. How exactly is a beer company sponsoring a team any different than a porn company? If anything, porn would be more accepted right? I don't remember porn causing accidents, unruly behavior, and other problems that break up families. Also, the legal age for viewing porn in most states is 18 (lower in some others). The legal age for drinking is 21 and you're concerned about the minors who watch and see the letters "YP"? Sounds hypocritical to me. Maybe I'm not being logical here because my jimmies have been rustled a bit, but don't you think you're part of the problem with your way of thinking? | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On February 17 2016 17:41 Steelo_Rivers wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 14:06 BronzeKnee wrote: Pornography is a sideshow. Always has been, always will be. If E-Sports wants to be legitimate, pornography sponsors are exactly what it doesn't need. What a step in the wrong direction. Back in 2011, I really thought I'd be watching SC2 games on TV by now, with teams sponsored by Budweiser and stuff. Instead, I'm still watching games on streams with viewership that has declined, and teams sponsored by pornographers. How could SC2 have been managed so poorly? lol, you're a perfect example of the type of people that cause sponsors to not want anything to do with the scene. whenever anyone decided they wanted to step in and help, they had to be judged by the TL community first and the only ones to talk would be people like you who wanted to complain, start witch hunts, and chase the sponsors/players off with your illogical thinking. How exactly is a beer company sponsoring a team any different than a porn company? If anything, porn would be more accepted right? I don't remember porn causing accidents, unruly behavior, and other problems that break up families. Also, the legal age for viewing porn in most states is 18 (lower in some others). The legal age for drinking is 21 and you're concerned about the minors who watch and see the letters "YP"? Sounds hypocritical to me. Maybe I'm not being logical here because my jimmies have been rustled a bit, but don't you think you're part of the problem with your way of thinking? I've never understand what's so wrong with pornography. It's a legitimate business. | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 17 2016 15:49 digmouse wrote: Before someone asks, this means he probably can't play in any WCS event due to porn being a banned sponsor from WCS. But this team isn't sponsored by YouPorn : their logo doesn't appear anywhere and no advertisement of YP is made. It is funded by YP, which should be an important difference. | ||
Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
I see no choice but to boycot YouPorn in favor of PornHub, xHamster and SpankBang, God Bless. Congrats to Dragon, good team for him I think. | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 17 2016 18:33 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 17:41 Steelo_Rivers wrote: On February 17 2016 14:06 BronzeKnee wrote: Pornography is a sideshow. Always has been, always will be. If E-Sports wants to be legitimate, pornography sponsors are exactly what it doesn't need. What a step in the wrong direction. Back in 2011, I really thought I'd be watching SC2 games on TV by now, with teams sponsored by Budweiser and stuff. Instead, I'm still watching games on streams with viewership that has declined, and teams sponsored by pornographers. How could SC2 have been managed so poorly? lol, you're a perfect example of the type of people that cause sponsors to not want anything to do with the scene. whenever anyone decided they wanted to step in and help, they had to be judged by the TL community first and the only ones to talk would be people like you who wanted to complain, start witch hunts, and chase the sponsors/players off with your illogical thinking. How exactly is a beer company sponsoring a team any different than a porn company? If anything, porn would be more accepted right? I don't remember porn causing accidents, unruly behavior, and other problems that break up families. Also, the legal age for viewing porn in most states is 18 (lower in some others). The legal age for drinking is 21 and you're concerned about the minors who watch and see the letters "YP"? Sounds hypocritical to me. Maybe I'm not being logical here because my jimmies have been rustled a bit, but don't you think you're part of the problem with your way of thinking? I've never understand what's so wrong with pornography. It's a legitimate business. What he probably means - and I agree with him on that - is that you'd never see a real sports team sponsored by YouPorn, while you see teams sponsored by alcohol or tobacco brands ; and the legitimacy of eSports in the eyes of the public will be built by adhering to traditional sports' standards - TV coverage instead of just streams, big sponsors like Samsung, SKTelekom or Acer, events happening in large live venue instead of small studios and being scheduled at least half a year in advance, etc - instead of staying in our own little Twitch culture that is not accessible for laymen. You could even go further : eSports' legitimacy will be built by synchronising its core values with those of traditional sports ; that's why people like Zest are better ambassadors for eSports than unfit Samsung players. And here having a team sponsored by YouPorn is not really in accordance with sports' traditional values. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15614 Posts
On February 17 2016 14:06 BronzeKnee wrote: Pornography is a sideshow. Always has been, always will be. If E-Sports wants to be legitimate, pornography sponsors are exactly what it doesn't need. What a step in the wrong direction. Back in 2011, I really thought I'd be watching SC2 games on TV by now, with teams sponsored by Budweiser and stuff. Instead, I'm still watching games on streams with viewership that has declined, and teams sponsored by pornographers. How could SC2 have been managed so poorly? Why would esports need TV? It's an outdated medium, internet streams are the real thing now. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On February 17 2016 19:04 OtherWorld wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 18:33 deacon.frost wrote: On February 17 2016 17:41 Steelo_Rivers wrote: On February 17 2016 14:06 BronzeKnee wrote: Pornography is a sideshow. Always has been, always will be. If E-Sports wants to be legitimate, pornography sponsors are exactly what it doesn't need. What a step in the wrong direction. Back in 2011, I really thought I'd be watching SC2 games on TV by now, with teams sponsored by Budweiser and stuff. Instead, I'm still watching games on streams with viewership that has declined, and teams sponsored by pornographers. How could SC2 have been managed so poorly? lol, you're a perfect example of the type of people that cause sponsors to not want anything to do with the scene. whenever anyone decided they wanted to step in and help, they had to be judged by the TL community first and the only ones to talk would be people like you who wanted to complain, start witch hunts, and chase the sponsors/players off with your illogical thinking. How exactly is a beer company sponsoring a team any different than a porn company? If anything, porn would be more accepted right? I don't remember porn causing accidents, unruly behavior, and other problems that break up families. Also, the legal age for viewing porn in most states is 18 (lower in some others). The legal age for drinking is 21 and you're concerned about the minors who watch and see the letters "YP"? Sounds hypocritical to me. Maybe I'm not being logical here because my jimmies have been rustled a bit, but don't you think you're part of the problem with your way of thinking? I've never understand what's so wrong with pornography. It's a legitimate business. What he probably means - and I agree with him on that - is that you'd never see a real sports team sponsored by YouPorn, while you see teams sponsored by alcohol or tobacco brands ; and the legitimacy of eSports in the eyes of the public will be built by adhering to traditional sports' standards - TV coverage instead of just streams, big sponsors like Samsung, SKTelekom or Acer, events happening in large live venue instead of small studios and being scheduled at least half a year in advance, etc - instead of staying in our own little Twitch culture that is not accessible for laymen. You could even go further : eSports' legitimacy will be built by synchronising its core values with those of traditional sports ; that's why people like Zest are better ambassadors for eSports than unfit Samsung players. And here having a team sponsored by YouPorn is not really in accordance with sports' traditional values. In "real" sports you don't have the target audience, though Which is young audience between 18 - 30, mostly male. Also in "real" sports the money barrier to enter is actually pretty high. Their best bet is actually e-sport. It has the target audience which "Real" sports are missing and it has low entry barrier | ||
Ronski
Finland262 Posts
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Paukum
Norway59 Posts
On February 17 2016 15:58 digmouse wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 15:55 chipmonklord17 wrote: On February 17 2016 15:49 digmouse wrote: Before someone asks, this means he probably can't play in any WCS event due to porn being a banned sponsor from WCS. Does that include GSL/SSL? Is he even in Korea, I had no idea until today he was even still trying to be a player as opposed to just a streamer I believe the WCS rulebook covers Korean events as well, but yeah I doubt this will matter as Dragon isn't exactly playing very competitively anyway. Dragon seems to be pretty set on trying to qualify for code a, so it sort of matters. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15614 Posts
On February 17 2016 19:34 Ronski wrote: Well in order to support Esports I will visit their sponsors website more often. I support esports too^^ | ||
Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On February 17 2016 19:00 Saechiis wrote: Because peepees and vaginers, sinners! I see no choice but to boycot YouPorn in favor of PornHub, xHamster and SpankBang, God Bless. Congrats to Dragon, good team for him I think. Pornhub belongs to the same company then Youporn. But know I get the irony... Cool for Dragon. He never looked like the competitive guy, so I think he doesnt have to care about WCS and other Leagues. He will stick to online cups and his streaming seems to work for him, he has a quite decent viewer number. When it comes to beer against porn, I dont mind both sides of sponsors. Beer is legal from +16 in Germany, porn from +18. Porn is for me mainstream culture and entertainment, I dont see why sides like Brazzers (or here their free sister side YP) shoudlnt sponsor things and search for coustomers that way. I dont know any guy (and girl), who did not found and watched porn before they have become 18. Why should adds make this "worse"? | ||
207aicila
1236 Posts
On February 17 2016 14:06 BronzeKnee wrote: Pornography is a sideshow. Always has been, always will be. If E-Sports wants to be legitimate, pornography sponsors are exactly what it doesn't need. What a step in the wrong direction. Back in 2011, I really thought I'd be watching SC2 games on TV by now, with teams sponsored by Budweiser and stuff. Instead, I'm still watching games on streams with viewership that has declined, and teams sponsored by pornographers. How could SC2 have been managed so poorly? What are you talking about, pornography is one of the most profitable industries out there and has been for decades. | ||
jackacea
66 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15614 Posts
I dont know any guy (and girl), who did not found and watched porn before they have become 18. Why should adds make this "worse"? I didnt watch any porn before I turned 18 | ||
JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
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JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
I doubt they are paying a lot of money to dragon, and dragon has a decent number of viewers and streams a lot | ||
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On February 17 2016 09:49 swissman777 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 06:24 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: The team logo font is identical to YouPorn's logo, so there is some visibility. I don't know how viable is this investment, but many adult gamers probably already recognize YouPorn as the sponsor without being explicit about it. Only one person on this thread was not aware. With all the adult sites out there, the competition must be stiff. Anything that puts more awareness on YouPorn, subtle or explicit, would be a good thing IMO. Now mind you, I visit only 2 porno sites, YP and BYL, and on YP they stated they would sponsor esports teams, so this comes as no surprise. I guess to support YP I am going to subscribe for a month. Too bad we can't put in a code like G2A or Amazon that gives Dragon a small percentage of my subscription. Hey, I wan't aware and I know you porn.... but I get the point. Still, if it is recognized by only those who know about it, how would you expect to sell your brand.... you have to make some profit Well I don't think this sponsorship is meant to capture new audience. Probably more to entice the audience that already peruses mature content to become a bit more loyal (like me for instance). To all the people that abhor porn or think its tasteless, I ask that you keep an open mind towards pornography. Its not just the sleazy underground debasing of woman by immoral men. And there are no more incidents of actual underage women performing in pornography. The porno industry is very strict about age, amongst other things. There are unions for adult entertainers that protect their rights, and no porn actor is forced to do anything they don't feel comfortable doing. The porn of the 70/80 is not the same as the porn we have today, well not exactly the same. There are some very artistic pornography that focuses on the sensuality and seduction. The art of intercourse is actually very beautiful, if its done tastefully and with respect. Mind you, there are still plenty of videos of the raunchy that focuses on slutty women being aggressively penetrated by men with exceptionally large penises. There are also plenty that feel adult websites cheapens the e-sports scene, and don't want anything to do with this dirty money. Why should we be put on the same platform as traditional sports franchises? I think e-sports should have its own identity, and not rely on a previous formula. The 'standard' to reach mainstream is made up in our own heads because we see it done by example, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't set our own examples. I don't know if this is a good move by YouPorn, but please don't judge things through stringent restrictions. Keep an open mind, and see how things unfold before laying down your stamp of disapproval. | ||
HugoBallzak
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On February 17 2016 23:34 Charoisaur wrote: Show nested quote + I dont know any guy (and girl), who did not found and watched porn before they have become 18. Why should adds make this "worse"? I didnt watch any porn before I turned 18 The question is how are rated games their teams are playing? I remember Proleague turning off blood because of the rating of the show. I don't mean games per se, but more the show that shows the game. SC2 is rated 13+ I think so 18+ adds could be problematic(maybe that's the root of the rule about no porn sponsorship) | ||
Deathstar
9150 Posts
On February 17 2016 23:53 Ace Frehley wrote: I don't see how can this be a bad deal for YP I doubt they are paying a lot of money to dragon, and dragon has a decent number of viewers and streams a lot It's not your position to be thinking about these things in the first place lol. YP is sponsoring a sc2 player. That's good enough. | ||
opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
Team YP sponsers alots of games, even fighting game players too though some tournament streams dont allow the "YP" tag to be shown on stream cause of what it stands for | ||
207aicila
1236 Posts
On February 18 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: I don't understand how this is a problem in 2016. What goes through the head of someone who puts into the rules of WCS that the player can't be sponsored by a porn company etc... I would understand this in Saudi Arabia, but I was under the (seemingly naive) impression that the "western world" is different. I believe Blizzard, as well as their parent company Activision, are from the United States. That would probably explain it. ;p | ||
opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 18 2016 03:25 207aicila wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: I don't understand how this is a problem in 2016. What goes through the head of someone who puts into the rules of WCS that the player can't be sponsored by a porn company etc... I would understand this in Saudi Arabia, but I was under the (seemingly naive) impression that the "western world" is different. I believe Blizzard, as well as their parent company Activision, are from the United States. That would probably explain it. ;p But US isn't living in Middle Ages either, I am pretty sure of that, because in Middle Ages, there was no US | ||
EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
On February 17 2016 04:53 Deathstar wrote: I have seen Dragon's recent bikini show because of this. I skipped around and saw 5 seconds in total but the damage has been done. That said, these two seem like a good match so I hope Dragon starts practicing seriously and makes good runs into tournaments :D I read that as blinking show, thought he danced his stalkers around and the damage has been done, and lost in an important game O_o Now I want to see this bikini show, maybe some people like a little bit of entertainment outside the game:D | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
I think Razer makes terrible peripherals, every single razer product I have owned has broken far too early in its life. I'd still be happy if they sponsored some SC2 players. Just because you dislike the idea of consenting adults on camera without clothes on doesn't mean you should shun a sponsorship from such a company. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Kitai
United States835 Posts
If that's not the case though, I'm disappointed that they would exclude pornography specifically as I can't think of a non-subjective reason to do so. Anyways, I'm happy Dragon got sponsored. He's always entertaining and an important part of the community, and this makes it sound like he won't stop playing for a while yet! | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 18 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: I don't understand how this is a problem in 2016. What goes through the head of someone who puts into the rules of WCS that the player can't be sponsored by a porn company etc... I would understand this in Saudi Arabia, but I was under the (seemingly naive) impression that the "western world" is different. Because public relations. | ||
opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 18 2016 04:53 OtherWorld wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: I don't understand how this is a problem in 2016. What goes through the head of someone who puts into the rules of WCS that the player can't be sponsored by a porn company etc... I would understand this in Saudi Arabia, but I was under the (seemingly naive) impression that the "western world" is different. Because public relations. Public relations with whom? Monks? Isn't this perpetual cycle of "problems" just in people's heads? Does this feared "public" even exist? If it does, do they even use internet? | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On February 18 2016 04:58 opisska wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 04:53 OtherWorld wrote: On February 18 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: I don't understand how this is a problem in 2016. What goes through the head of someone who puts into the rules of WCS that the player can't be sponsored by a porn company etc... I would understand this in Saudi Arabia, but I was under the (seemingly naive) impression that the "western world" is different. Because public relations. Public relations with whom? Monks? Isn't this perpetual cycle of "problems" just in people's heads? Does this feared "public" even exist? If it does, do they even use internet? I think that would be the standing of EU, but in NA, things run different. Its just as it is. I welcome very Porn Company as a sponsor in esport. And I dont want Esport to become on pair with real sport, I want Esport to develop its own way, the last I want in Esport are FIFA-IOC Boards and World Championchips with limited Spots to each nation become THE thing. Esport is growing well and it is growing very well on Twitch. I dont know alot of people in my age (24) who look TV anyway and even if, they watch TV via Streaming. Let Esports become adult and major building on current structurs and not adopt "real sports" structurs and thinkings, like TV is the big thing to achieve. Why not Porn sponsoring? (Without porn companies self censor them with a SfW department). Porn in the Internet is a buisnes as big as Youtube or Streaming, if not bigger. Its the 21st century, forcing esport into roles of 20th century sports and TV wount fit. On top of that TV is declining here in Germany for now over 5 years in a row, with less and less viewers. Still alot, but the youth (with more then basic education) is almost completly cut off TV. | ||
207aicila
1236 Posts
On February 18 2016 03:32 opisska wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 03:25 207aicila wrote: On February 18 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: I don't understand how this is a problem in 2016. What goes through the head of someone who puts into the rules of WCS that the player can't be sponsored by a porn company etc... I would understand this in Saudi Arabia, but I was under the (seemingly naive) impression that the "western world" is different. I believe Blizzard, as well as their parent company Activision, are from the United States. That would probably explain it. ;p But US isn't living in Middle Ages either, I am pretty sure of that, because in Middle Ages, there was no US The itch to be snide is hard to resist. I'm more surprised there are people out there who are still not aware how prudishly things tend to be run in the US. Remember kids: violence, gore and slaughter is okay in entertainment (especially when it's against russians / terrorists / north korea / china / insert other generic villain that the soulless industry keeps recycling) but showing skin isn't. | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 18 2016 04:58 opisska wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 04:53 OtherWorld wrote: On February 18 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: I don't understand how this is a problem in 2016. What goes through the head of someone who puts into the rules of WCS that the player can't be sponsored by a porn company etc... I would understand this in Saudi Arabia, but I was under the (seemingly naive) impression that the "western world" is different. Because public relations. Public relations with whom? Monks? Isn't this perpetual cycle of "problems" just in people's heads? Does this feared "public" even exist? If it does, do they even use internet? Public relations with the kind of people who get all drama'd up when you can see more than 2/5 of a female star's boobs, and who make a wild nipple appearing on camera for 1 second a thing as important as lack of water in Africa. Besides, journalists are very good a making random stuff ("Porn company sponsors a random SC2 streamer") sound like shocking stuff ("Blizzard's top game StarCraft II funded by porn site !"). | ||
phodacbiet
United States1734 Posts
On February 18 2016 04:58 opisska wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 04:53 OtherWorld wrote: On February 18 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: I don't understand how this is a problem in 2016. What goes through the head of someone who puts into the rules of WCS that the player can't be sponsored by a porn company etc... I would understand this in Saudi Arabia, but I was under the (seemingly naive) impression that the "western world" is different. Because public relations. Public relations with whom? Monks? Isn't this perpetual cycle of "problems" just in people's heads? Does this feared "public" even exist? If it does, do they even use internet? A lot of new gamers are kids and need their parents' money to buy games. Do you think parents would like it if little Jimmy's favorite player is sponsored by Pornhub? I mean it seems normal to us because we're basement dwellers, but the world isnt as progressive as people think. Porn is still a taboo in a lot of places. Everyone watches it, but they don't really talk about it or advertise it in public. | ||
Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On February 18 2016 08:20 phodacbiet wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 04:58 opisska wrote: On February 18 2016 04:53 OtherWorld wrote: On February 18 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: I don't understand how this is a problem in 2016. What goes through the head of someone who puts into the rules of WCS that the player can't be sponsored by a porn company etc... I would understand this in Saudi Arabia, but I was under the (seemingly naive) impression that the "western world" is different. Because public relations. Public relations with whom? Monks? Isn't this perpetual cycle of "problems" just in people's heads? Does this feared "public" even exist? If it does, do they even use internet? A lot of new gamers are kids and need their parents' money to buy games. Do you think parents would like it if little Jimmy's favorite player is sponsored by Pornhub? I mean it seems normal to us because we're basement dwellers, but the world isnt as progressive as people think. Porn is still a taboo in a lot of places. Everyone watches it, but they don't really talk about it or advertise it in public. Time to change that. | ||
207aicila
1236 Posts
On February 18 2016 08:20 phodacbiet wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 04:58 opisska wrote: On February 18 2016 04:53 OtherWorld wrote: On February 18 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: I don't understand how this is a problem in 2016. What goes through the head of someone who puts into the rules of WCS that the player can't be sponsored by a porn company etc... I would understand this in Saudi Arabia, but I was under the (seemingly naive) impression that the "western world" is different. Because public relations. Public relations with whom? Monks? Isn't this perpetual cycle of "problems" just in people's heads? Does this feared "public" even exist? If it does, do they even use internet? A lot of new gamers are kids and need their parents' money to buy games. Do you think parents would like it if little Jimmy's favorite player is sponsored by Pornhub? I mean it seems normal to us because we're basement dwellers, but the world isnt as progressive as people think. Porn is still a taboo in a lot of places. Everyone watches it, but they don't really talk about it or advertise it in public. Not sure whether you're for or against but throwing terms like basement dweller around is pretty unnecessary and also pretty much wrong. I don't understand the apprehension when it comes to changing the status quo. Like yeah I get it many people are prudes, in the US more than in some European countries, but that's no reason for it to stay like that forever. | ||
Superbanana
2369 Posts
And i hope WCS and TL can look past this small controversy and just feature and welcome the new team and allow them in WCS | ||
swissman777
1106 Posts
On February 18 2016 03:53 Fecalfeast wrote: So a legitimate company with money to burn sponsors e-sports yet people are using the product that company generates revenue from to say they shouldn't be a part of the scene. I think Razer makes terrible peripherals, every single razer product I have owned has broken far too early in its life. I'd still be happy if they sponsored some SC2 players. Just because you dislike the idea of consenting adults on camera without clothes on doesn't mean you should shun a sponsorship from such a company. Using ur logic I guess we should welcome matchfixing mafias as sponsors too then huh | ||
207aicila
1236 Posts
On February 18 2016 11:52 swissman777 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 03:53 Fecalfeast wrote: So a legitimate company with money to burn sponsors e-sports yet people are using the product that company generates revenue from to say they shouldn't be a part of the scene. I think Razer makes terrible peripherals, every single razer product I have owned has broken far too early in its life. I'd still be happy if they sponsored some SC2 players. Just because you dislike the idea of consenting adults on camera without clothes on doesn't mean you should shun a sponsorship from such a company. Using ur logic I guess we should welcome matchfixing mafias as sponsors too then huh Yeah those aren't really legal so no. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On February 18 2016 11:52 swissman777 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 03:53 Fecalfeast wrote: So a legitimate company with money to burn sponsors e-sports yet people are using the product that company generates revenue from to say they shouldn't be a part of the scene. I think Razer makes terrible peripherals, every single razer product I have owned has broken far too early in its life. I'd still be happy if they sponsored some SC2 players. Just because you dislike the idea of consenting adults on camera without clothes on doesn't mean you should shun a sponsorship from such a company. Using ur logic I guess we should welcome matchfixing mafias as sponsors too then huh I used the word "legitimate" for a reason. | ||
ETisME
12071 Posts
Good job dragon | ||
G5
United States2821 Posts
So, I go to their website and can't see what YP stands for or who any of their sponsors are. Does anyone know the answer to these 2 questions? | ||
WidowMineHero
New Zealand143 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5207 Posts
On February 17 2016 20:45 207aicila wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 14:06 BronzeKnee wrote: Pornography is a sideshow. Always has been, always will be. If E-Sports wants to be legitimate, pornography sponsors are exactly what it doesn't need. What a step in the wrong direction. Back in 2011, I really thought I'd be watching SC2 games on TV by now, with teams sponsored by Budweiser and stuff. Instead, I'm still watching games on streams with viewership that has declined, and teams sponsored by pornographers. How could SC2 have been managed so poorly? What are you talking about, pornography is one of the most profitable industries out there and has been for decades. Or not. http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/things-are-looking-americas-porn-industry-n289431 | ||
Phredxor
New Zealand15075 Posts
On February 18 2016 11:52 swissman777 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 03:53 Fecalfeast wrote: So a legitimate company with money to burn sponsors e-sports yet people are using the product that company generates revenue from to say they shouldn't be a part of the scene. I think Razer makes terrible peripherals, every single razer product I have owned has broken far too early in its life. I'd still be happy if they sponsored some SC2 players. Just because you dislike the idea of consenting adults on camera without clothes on doesn't mean you should shun a sponsorship from such a company. Using ur logic I guess we should welcome matchfixing mafias as sponsors too then huh That's a ridiculous conclusion to reach. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On February 18 2016 14:29 G5 wrote: I looked at this website because I was like "Team YP... what the hell does YP stand for? Are they sponsored by YellowPages or something?" So, I go to their website and can't see what YP stands for or who any of their sponsors are. Does anyone know the answer to these 2 questions? YP stands for YouPorn | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On February 18 2016 04:58 opisska wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2016 04:53 OtherWorld wrote: On February 18 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: I don't understand how this is a problem in 2016. What goes through the head of someone who puts into the rules of WCS that the player can't be sponsored by a porn company etc... I would understand this in Saudi Arabia, but I was under the (seemingly naive) impression that the "western world" is different. Because public relations. Public relations with whom? Monks? Isn't this perpetual cycle of "problems" just in people's heads? Does this feared "public" even exist? If it does, do they even use internet? On February 18 2016 08:20 phodacbiet wrote: There's your answer. People like this guy. Note that he is American and uses words like "little Jimmy", "basement dweller" and conflates the world to consist solely of USA. Why tournament organisers seem to care is another question.A lot of new gamers are kids and need their parents' money to buy games. Do you think parents would like it if little Jimmy's favorite player is sponsored by Pornhub? I mean it seems normal to us because we're basement dwellers, but the world isnt as progressive as people think. Porn is still a taboo in a lot of places. Everyone watches it, but they don't really talk about it or advertise it in public. | ||
Glioburd
France1900 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
not saying they should be banned from having a team or anything (that would be ridiculous), but it's not a stretch to find it kind of disgusting lol | ||
207aicila
1236 Posts
On February 18 2016 23:06 brickrd wrote: it's because the porn business is largely fueled by women who don't want to be doing it and need the money. Don't you love it when people post popular misconceptions and don't back them up with any proof or source? I sure do. | ||
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On February 18 2016 23:06 brickrd wrote: you know, the reason a lot of people disagree with porn isn't that they're morally uncomfortable with "consenting adults having sex for money," it's because the porn business is largely fueled by women who don't want to be doing it and need the money. so that's a pretty legitimate reason to be uncomfortable with the sponsorship not saying they should be banned from having a team or anything (that would be ridiculous), but it's not a stretch to find it kind of disgusting lol Your statement needs facts to back that up. There was a documentary on the porno industry, and your statement contradicts what many actors said about being in the industry. Sure they do it for the money, but they also enjoy having sex. Why not get paid for what you enjoy. No one forces them into doing it. Porno of the past is not the same as today. Sure there are plenty of women in that situation, but to use the word 'largely' is a stretch. Mind you, the comments from the documentary are anecdotal at best, so you could very well be right. However, without facts, your statement could be wrong as well. I can't remember the documentary, it was shown on tv late one night, but they interviewed many actors and all of them said they are in this industry first because they enjoy sex, and second for the money. | ||
207aicila
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
On February 18 2016 23:06 brickrd wrote: it's because the porn business is largely fueled by women who don't want to be doing it and need the money I bet in 99% of the jobs, people don't actually enjoy what they do, but they need money, so they do it. | ||
Ace Frehley
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Darkhorse
United States23454 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On February 19 2016 02:32 Darkhorse wrote: I think anyone who complains that porn companies shouldn't be allowed to be legit sponsors because of the content they are based on should have to publicly release their browser history lel we have been given incognito modes for this exact reason | ||
BronzeKnee
United States5207 Posts
On February 19 2016 02:32 Darkhorse wrote: I think anyone who complains that porn companies shouldn't be allowed to be legit sponsors because of the content they are based on should have to publicly release their browser history lel Pornography is not good for a relationship or your sex life, just like cheeseburgers are bad for your health. Even though, mounds of research show that, people have shockling little self control when it comes to these things. But I don't really care what you do because it doesn't affect, but if releasing my history is all it takes for you to be wrong, here ya go (ignorant arguments are fun): *Nevermind, I just realized my email address was shown in my history.* I guess the people that saw my history can feel free to email me. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23454 Posts
On February 19 2016 02:45 BronzeKnee wrote: Show nested quote + On February 19 2016 02:32 Darkhorse wrote: I think anyone who complains that porn companies shouldn't be allowed to be legit sponsors because of the content they are based on should have to publicly release their browser history lel Pornography is not good for a relationship or your sex life, just like cheeseburgers are bad for your health. Even though, mounds of research show that, people have shockling little self control when it comes to these things. But I don't really care what you do because it doesn't affect, but if releasing my history is all it takes for you to be wrong, here ya go (ignorant arguments are fun): *Nevermind, I just realized my email address was shown in my history.* I guess the people that saw my history can feel free to email me. Good god man. Obvious joke goes way over your head. Also it's interesting that you equate cheeseburgers to porn, because McDonalds sponsors a shit ton of professional athletes and I don't hear any complaints from people about that lel | ||
Deathstar
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BronzeKnee
United States5207 Posts
On February 19 2016 03:09 Darkhorse wrote: Show nested quote + On February 19 2016 02:45 BronzeKnee wrote: On February 19 2016 02:32 Darkhorse wrote: I think anyone who complains that porn companies shouldn't be allowed to be legit sponsors because of the content they are based on should have to publicly release their browser history lel Pornography is not good for a relationship or your sex life, just like cheeseburgers are bad for your health. Even though, mounds of research show that, people have shockling little self control when it comes to these things. But I don't really care what you do because it doesn't affect, but if releasing my history is all it takes for you to be wrong, here ya go (ignorant arguments are fun): *Nevermind, I just realized my email address was shown in my history.* I guess the people that saw my history can feel free to email me. Good god man. Obvious joke goes way over your head. Also it's interesting that you equate cheeseburgers to porn, because McDonalds sponsors a shit ton of professional athletes and I don't hear any complaints from people about that lel You just don't talk to me enough brah to hear those complaints. And it didn't go over my head man (though I do think mebe mine went over your head), I just took it a step further. Jokes are more funny when they are true. Make it true. Now where is your history? I wanna see if you like shemales. Show me how okay it is. On February 19 2016 03:14 Deathstar wrote: I too wonder how I would survive if I fell into a black hole. Ya know, that was a great article. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23454 Posts
On February 19 2016 03:16 BronzeKnee wrote: Show nested quote + On February 19 2016 03:09 Darkhorse wrote: On February 19 2016 02:45 BronzeKnee wrote: On February 19 2016 02:32 Darkhorse wrote: I think anyone who complains that porn companies shouldn't be allowed to be legit sponsors because of the content they are based on should have to publicly release their browser history lel Pornography is not good for a relationship or your sex life, just like cheeseburgers are bad for your health. Even though, mounds of research show that, people have shockling little self control when it comes to these things. But I don't really care what you do because it doesn't affect, but if releasing my history is all it takes for you to be wrong, here ya go (ignorant arguments are fun): *Nevermind, I just realized my email address was shown in my history.* I guess the people that saw my history can feel free to email me. Good god man. Obvious joke goes way over your head. Also it's interesting that you equate cheeseburgers to porn, because McDonalds sponsors a shit ton of professional athletes and I don't hear any complaints from people about that lel You just don't talk to me enough brah to hear those complaints. And it didn't go over my head man, I just took it a step further. Jokes are more funny, when they are true. Make it true. Now where is your history? I wanna see if you like shemales. Yeah tbh we should have a long conversation about how ridiculous it is that every two years we have to watch Olympians (who certainly never consume McDonalds) stand in front of a camera and tell kids that Micky D's is the best and it'll make you a world class athlete. I'm embarrassed to show my history because I've been on a bunch of LoL sites recently. | ||
BronzeKnee
United States5207 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23454 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5207 Posts
There is a good book on this subject: http://www.amazon.com/Make-Love-Like-Porn-Star/dp/0060539100 And all the time the vast majority of people making porn, are actually rich men who can't have a healthy relationship and basically want to institutionalize rape to have sex with women in some legal fashion, and hide behind "free speech" and the fact they think they are making "art." And we want those people to sponsor E-Sport! Yeah! | ||
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On February 19 2016 02:45 BronzeKnee wrote: Show nested quote + On February 19 2016 02:32 Darkhorse wrote: I think anyone who complains that porn companies shouldn't be allowed to be legit sponsors because of the content they are based on should have to publicly release their browser history lel Pornography is not good for a relationship or your sex life, just like cheeseburgers are bad for your health. Even though, mounds of research show that, people have shockling little self control when it comes to these things. But I don't really care what you do because it doesn't affect, but if releasing my history is all it takes for you to be wrong, here ya go (ignorant arguments are fun): *Nevermind, I just realized my email address was shown in my history.* I guess the people that saw my history can feel free to email me. My relationship and sex life is fine, and I watch porn. I eat cheeseburgers (I had one today for lunch from Harveys) and I am reasonably healthy (I could stand to lose a couple pounds though). Porn and cheeseburgers are not bad for you, unless all you watch is porn and all you eat is cheeseburgers. You seem to assume those that watch porn are so addicted to it that their relationships are totally ruined. I am married, and my wife knows I watch porn. I don't hide it from her. But I don't need porn to get turned on, nor would I ever turn down sex with my wife over porn. Porn is not good for a relationship or sex life if porn is the only thing that turns you on. There are people in that situation, but please don't assume that everyone that watches porn is the same. Essentially, anything in excess is unhealthy for you, whether that is fast food, porn, beer, or drugs. Sure there are many that lack self control, but don't blame that on pornography. That is the individual's fault. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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dr3am_b3ing
Canada188 Posts
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pr1de
38 Posts
On February 18 2016 23:06 brickrd wrote: you know, the reason a lot of people disagree with porn isn't that they're morally uncomfortable with "consenting adults having sex for money," it's because the porn business is largely fueled by women who don't want to be doing it and need the money. so that's a pretty legitimate reason to be uncomfortable with the sponsorship not saying they should be banned from having a team or anything (that would be ridiculous), but it's not a stretch to find it kind of disgusting lol Are you for real? I mean you can think different then everybody else, but back it up. Also your opinion makes me laugh so hard that i had to write it down and post it. Espesially this:-- " it's because the porn business is largely fueled by women who don't want to be doing it and need the money. so that's a pretty legitimate reason to be uncomfortable with the sponsorship-- Haha Lmao so hard. You must be very deep into that buisness if you think of it in that direction. I bet you that not alot of people think like you do ) *Edit Something on topic. Great for Dragon, he isnt a serious player, so its cool to see different sponsers that dont expect players to win tourneys, and or play for real and their best. | ||
NyxNax
United States227 Posts
On February 17 2016 05:23 OtherWorld wrote: hmm I don't exactly get what's the point of sponsoring a team if you can't use your logo or even something very close to your logo (à la non-tobacco liveried Ferrari F1), but nice to see them step into SC2 I guess though this roster is not enough to have a YP vs dP showmatch I think its actually incredibly brilliant. 90%+ knows what YP is, but for anyone that doesnt, what will they do? If they're at a tournament they will turn to the person next to them "what does YP stand for", if they're online they will post on a forum like a couple people have in this thread already. Essentially every tournament they go to, every online tournament they play, people will learn about them and talk about them. This is a way for them to globally market their site to the coming generations of customers. | ||
Phredxor
New Zealand15075 Posts
On February 19 2016 06:54 NyxNax wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2016 05:23 OtherWorld wrote: hmm I don't exactly get what's the point of sponsoring a team if you can't use your logo or even something very close to your logo (à la non-tobacco liveried Ferrari F1), but nice to see them step into SC2 I guess though this roster is not enough to have a YP vs dP showmatch I think its actually incredibly brilliant. 90%+ knows what YP is, but for anyone that doesnt, what will they do? If they're at a tournament they will turn to the person next to them "what does YP stand for", if they're online they will post on a forum like a couple people have in this thread already. Essentially every tournament they go to, every online tournament they play, people will learn about them and talk about them. This is a way for them to globally market their site to the coming generations of customers. Yeah i had never heard of Youporn before and wouldn't have a clue what YP team was, but now i know. So it's working! | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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dearyuna
United States322 Posts
Had a chat with Dragon via FB: 1. To confirm once and for all, he said yes, YP is part of the site that everyones thinking about even if its not mentioned explicitly anywhere. Apparently they do CSGO & Dota sponsorships too? 2. Yes, Dragons trying to go at least Code A in Korea. He said he doesnt think there'll be any issues with being sponsored by team YP and competing professionally. He used soccer (football for you european folks) as an example of how theres a team sponsored by another similar site. If there are any specific conflicts of interest Dragon seems to be missing, let me know and I can relay the message to him. | ||
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On February 19 2016 13:33 dearyuna wrote: Hey y'all, I havent posted here in ages. Had a chat with Dragon via FB: 1. To confirm once and for all, he said yes, YP is part of the site that everyones thinking about even if its not mentioned explicitly anywhere. Apparently they do CSGO & Dota sponsorships too? 2. Yes, Dragons trying to go at least Code A in Korea. He said he doesnt think there'll be any issues with being sponsored by team YP and competing professionally. He used soccer (football for you european folks) as an example of how theres a team sponsored by another similar site. If there are any specific conflicts of interest Dragon seems to be missing, let me know and I can relay the message to him. We already know YP On their site they made an announcement they would be sponsoring esports teams, but no mention of any SC2 specifics. I am quite happy they are venturing into other platforms, and eagerly await more news from them. Interesting that GSL is letting him participate. I know that Blizzard states no tournament should be affiliated with anything related to beer, cigarettes, drugs (legal or otherwise), and mature content. No mention in their rule books about individual players being sponsored by said restrictions. I hope he is allowed to play. Please tell him I enjoyed his stream on several occasions, and I hope he can turn competitive and make a deep run. | ||
mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
have not allowed the team tag "YP" to be shown on stream so basically it just showed the name of the player (YP has 2 or so fighting game players on the team, YP Filipino man and YP Valmaster) reasons were something like the main sponsors of the tournament did not want to be associated with what the YP tag represented | ||
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On February 20 2016 01:52 mikumegurine wrote: btw in the past, a few fighting game tournament streams , have not allowed the team tag "YP" to be shown on stream so basically it just showed the name of the player (YP has 2 or so fighting game players on the team, YP Filipino man and YP Valmaster) reasons were something like the main sponsors of the tournament did not want to be associated with what the YP tag represented That is what I think GSL will do with Dragon. I don't think YP really cares though. It seems they will still get the exposure. I wonder though how Twitch will react to Dragon's sponsor. | ||
BjoernK
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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