EPTNot saying I want DK fired, but this kind of behavior is completely inacceptable in my opinion.
David Kim's Response on Community Feedback - Page 15
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
Not saying I want DK fired, but this kind of behavior is completely inacceptable in my opinion. | ||
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Penev
28530 Posts
On February 01 2016 18:18 SC2Toastie wrote: On second thought, if a leading manager would be telling his angry customers to shut the fuck up and give him constructive critisism because his team is feeling sad, after repeatedly missinforming them and not delivering the product that could reasonably be expected, and ignoring the constructive critisism he receives, his job would/should be in jeopardy. Not saying I want DK fired, but this kind of behavior is completely inacceptable in my opinion. You're exaggerating Toasty (and many others). That said, the way they handle the maps is below par for sure and it isn't exactly reassuring that they're unaware of/ ignoring lots of feedback on this issue, including the constructive variant. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On February 01 2016 18:26 Penev wrote: You're exaggerating Toasty (and many others). That said, the way they handle the maps is below par for sure and it isn't exactly reassuring that they're unaware of/ ignoring lots of feedback on this issue, including the constructive variant. Which would make one think there is a serious issue at their department, right? | ||
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Penev
28530 Posts
On February 01 2016 18:35 SC2Toastie wrote: Which would make one think there is a serious issue at their department, right? I guess that depends what you'd call serious. Blizzard could learn from some developers but I still think they're doing a better job than most. Don't get me wrong, the last update was seriously bad in my opinion. Very disappointing. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On February 01 2016 18:42 Penev wrote: I guess that depends what you'd call serious. Blizzard could learn from some developers but I still think they're doing a better job than most. Don't get me wrong, the last update was seriously bad in my opinion. Very disappointing. The community is rapidly running out of patience with how this game is handles. The latest 'update' was just the first instance a real spike in negativity popped up. There have been hundreds if not thousands of posts regarding possible changes to Ravagers, Siege Tanks, issues with the maps, Pylon Overcharge, Air units. There have been tens of thousands of posts regarding certain mechanics like warpgate, forcefield, lift-off forcing draws, Battlenet 0.2, ladder issues, depth of micro. The issue is, whenever 'constructive' feedback is posted for Blizzard to read, we receive NO followup on it. If we're lucky to see them address the topic the usual reply is "internal testing shows...", " we believe it does not work." without any explanation regarding the testing or outcomes. In other words, people will feel like the feedback is ignored. THAT is the issue. For 5 years, the communication has been lacklustre. Recently, they started working on that more. However, the communication becomes more and more empty. " Working on this", "Maybe in half a years time" , "we feel like this is not an issue" , "these maps are unique in their own way". The team is NOT doing what we want them to. They are not responding to feedback, they are not producing what we would like to see. They are ignoring issues brought up again and again, and casting proposed solutions aside without explanation. People are running out of patience and the latest "update" what embarassing to say the least. And that is when frustrated complains come up, and people should quickly start wondering whether they are doing their job well enough. I believe this could be considered constructive criticism, so here you go DK. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1171 Posts
There have been some aspersions cast in various threads, alleging that our team is small, that our team is allocated to other projects, or that we delivered an incomplete product. None of these have merit, and frankly this kind of commentary is demotivating to the team. SC2 dev team acts like a bunch of interns. The current state of the game is too demotivating for the mass users (players), I'd worry for the people's motivation who use your product rather than your ONE TEAM demotivation, as it will grow in future with such steps. TL;DR - corporate buzzwords on top of stating that you haven't done anything. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On February 01 2016 09:01 Mattitude905 wrote: How can u possibly support blizzard made maps? When have they EVER made a good map? Every single map in the pool favors 1 base play, you can throw in all the in base natural expansions you want, people are gonna still 1 base all in when you have so much surface area to keep your eye on. And here you are telling people "explain to blizzard how to fix them".... when has Blizzard EVER listened to the community regarding maps? Does anyone not have central protocol veto'd ?? Thx for illustrating the kind of shitpost nobody needs and that prevents a good feedback from the players to Blizzard, but, really, we already knew what a shitpost is, so could as well have passed on this one... + Show Spoiler + Blizzard, made bad maps but also made excellent maps, just check liquipedia. In this season map pool, you have bad maps but also good ones, they're all from blizzard They heard us many times (adding spl and gls maps, organizing TLMC to choose new maps, ...) They took feedback into account many times for fixing maps (starting locations, changing mineral types, ...) | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1171 Posts
On February 01 2016 18:18 SC2Toastie wrote: On second thought, if a leading manager would be telling his angry customers to shut the fuck up and give him constructive critisism because his team is feeling sad, after repeatedly missinforming them and not delivering the product that could reasonably be expected, and ignoring the constructive critisism he receives, his job would/should be in jeopardy. Not saying I want DK fired, but this kind of behavior is completely inacceptable in my opinion. blizzard obviously won't invest in PR as they have specially prepared new internship program, called starcraft 2 dev team if DK is developer, let him be He definitely isn't a community manager / PR either | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On February 01 2016 21:01 BlueStar wrote: blizzard obviously won't invest in PR as they have specially prepared new internship program, called starcraft 2 dev team if DK is developer, let him be He definitely isn't a community manager / PR either Firstly he should leave the community managing to somebody else if he doesn't want to take flack for it. Secondly, his developing seems kinda slow to me. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
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Penev
28530 Posts
On February 01 2016 23:00 tshi wrote: I was wondering which community was worse, this one or reddit poll? | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
really these days it's this one, and it leaves me speechless... | ||
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Penev
28530 Posts
On February 01 2016 23:08 Gwavajuice wrote: really these days it's this one, and it leaves me speechless... I thought when SC2 shrunk we'd get rid of all the shouters but I guess I was wrong :/ | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
We know the nova mission pack is coming, and I know missions take a lot of work in themselves, but surely they're working on other things. I'm kind of wondering if content releases are going to pick up in the later half of the year to match that of their other games. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17617 Posts
On February 01 2016 18:18 SC2Toastie wrote: On second thought, if a leading manager would be telling his angry customers to shut the fuck up and give him constructive critisism because his team is feeling sad, after repeatedly missinforming them and not delivering the product that could reasonably be expected, and ignoring the constructive critisism he receives, his job would/should be in jeopardy. Not saying I want DK fired, but this kind of behavior is completely inacceptable in my opinion. for $40 they delivered a lot in the product. we got the longest beta in the history of the genre. look at what Grey Goo and AoA delivered for $10 more. There is plenty to do in LotV. However, the customer is always right. The customer is bored. The customer has this dead bang on correct. However, the customer is not a good self-diagnostician. The customer is bored of the whole genre and all facets that make RTS what it is. Because Blizzard is the best they get the most shit throw at them as the genre falls into obscurity. ATVI is the only ones left who can seem to make it sorta financially viable. ATVI will be right there as the genre goes down... standing right by the dead body .. so everyone will cry that ATVI murdered the genre. Little do these chicken little's realize EA, Ensemble, Victory Games, Brett Sperry and EALA fled the scene many years ago. Blizzard knows how to hire and nurture talent. They been doing it for 20+ years. If DK and DB were lousy they'd be going the way of Jay Wilson. That is not happening. DK and DB have both been promoted. I think they've both done a great job and I've had a blast the last 5 years playing SC2. AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING BLAST. I think Mike Morhaime, Chris Sigaty, and Frank Pierce are a far better judge of their employees than anyone in this thread. I'll back this statement with more than words. I'm buying Overwatch and Nova:Covert Ops the day they come out. Let your wallet do the talking. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On February 01 2016 23:00 tshi wrote: I was wondering which community was worse, this one or reddit Both of them are losers compared to Bnet forums. Bnet forums, best forums! BEST COMMUNITY! | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
As it stands, I haven't recommended LotV to my friends yet. I don't think it's in a state where we'd have fun playing it like we did with WoL and HotS. This is partly to do with the particulars of me and my friends, but not only - the deciding question is longevity. And I fear that if such pockets of resistance multiply, SC2 as a whole will suffer. | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On February 01 2016 23:00 tshi wrote: I was wondering which community was worse, this one or reddit This one, as its full elitist and know it alls. its no small wonder Pros dont ever post in TL, the negativity is astounding to the point of being destructive. At least most Reddit posters know they shitpost for fun and giggles. This lot are condescending and demeaning and worst of all intransigent. hell most of them havent even fucked yet in real life User was temp banned for this post. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On February 01 2016 18:18 SC2Toastie wrote: On second thought, if a leading manager would be telling his angry customers to shut the fuck up and give him constructive critisism because his team is feeling sad, after repeatedly missinforming them and not delivering the product that could reasonably be expected, and ignoring the constructive critisism he receives, his job would/should be in jeopardy. Not saying I want DK fired, but this kind of behavior is completely inacceptable in my opinion. Pretty sure that if someone when to a leading manager and told him somethings on the line of: You piece of shit, your are the stupidest human who ever lived, your product is shit, you destroyed everything I loved about it, you should get fired and die. He his just going to get escorted out of the building by security... But on the Internet there is dozens of them and they come back everyday. What is the guy suppose to do? He just ask to change vocabulary, it seems fair... I am not saying that everythings is perfect and that there is no fault on Blizz side, but when is the last time any patch or Blizzard post where more then half of the response was not insult against Blizzard employe and David Kim?Even if most people agree with the patch there is always complain about other aspect of the game, or WCS system, or the time it took. No amount of PR work is going yo transform "f*ck you" into "good job team, but you should pay attention to this and this" | ||
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