DH Leipzig: The WCS Circuit Begins - 2016 - Page 4

On January 24 2016 06:51 TheDougler wrote:


Lets hope they didn't count their chickens before they hatched as much as you did .

On January 24 2016 10:24 Thax wrote:


No, no matter the outcome, they did not "literally" shoot themselves in the knee. I think you are literally the dumbest poster on these boards.

On January 23 2016 12:08 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
Hydra and Violet must be quite happy to have 24k $ handed over to them for little effort
Unfortunately for them due to the bracket they will only share 21k instead and one lucky foreigner is gonna make 8k instead of 5

On January 24 2016 18:22 Topdoller wrote:


A very short sighted and disingenuous view of these two players of their skill and ability , when you say "little effort".

They most likely have clocked in more practice hours and training then any of the so called top foreigners in order to make it look like "little effort".

Koreans were not born with a keyboard and mouse and a copy of Starcraft,they take the game seriously and train hard to be the best they can be, they are professionals.

If only your foreigner heroes done the same thing perhaps they would be just as good.

Perhaps DH and WCS should call their circuit "amateur". This would facilitate the banning of Pro Koreans from participating

On January 22 2016 18:29 Shuffleblade wrote:

You are entitled to your opinion but what this will lead to is tournaments excluding SC2 from their lineup of games. Like Dreamhack did for some of its tournaments when sc2 wasn't doing too well.

Boycott this and sc2 tournaments will wither and disappear way ahead of its time. The result will only strike at what games organizers choose to host and not at Blizzard´, its too late for them to do anything anyway even if they want they would have to wait a year to chance WCS. If they did wait a year after a boycott the game would actually be dead and there would be too late to do anything about it.

So by all means do what you can to kill off sc2, I for my part will do the opposite.

If the foreign scene grows strong and viewership goes up SC2 could grow into something bigger this year, which could lead to the World opening up to koreans again further down the road. Be positive not negative and do what you can for the scene

on the same level as keeping African Americans out of the NFL and then calling the winners champions

On January 25 2016 07:59 FLuE wrote:


That is a terrible analogy, because the NFL is the highest level of play. So it doesn't work.

If you wanted to compare, it would be like not allowing the best NFL players to go play in the Arena Football League during the off-season, which I might add their contracts would forbid.

You seem hell bent on hating this situation yet are so short sighted to see that many other professional environments do a very similar thing. There is the highest level, and there are levels leading to that. If you let the highest level people drop down and dominate it ruins the building blocks.

A better example to look at would be a sport like Nascar. They have their Sprint Cup, and the Xfinity Series(use to be the Busch Series). The Xfinity series use to be a great way to build new drives into the Sprint Cup, but about 10 years ago many of the best Spring Cup drivers started dropping down and racing both races each weekend. As fun as it was short term for the fans to get to see big names race in both series, it has pushed new drivers out of money situations and not allowed them to build a following. Nascar should have banned full time drivers from racing more than a few races per year in that other series so that up and coming drivers could win and get the exposure. Now many years later the sport struggles to bring in new faces.

What is funny, as people complain about the "quality" of games, is that typically at events like IEM and DH most of the matches were Foreigner v. Foreigner because the few Koreans would move through and that was the games that were left. So people watched then. I find it funny that just having a few Koreans present, even if not actually playing games, somehow make it a better event?

If you actually watched, this event had highly entertaining games, and plenty of high quality series.

I can only assume anyone who has complained about this system also refuses to watch anything but the Olympics, World Cup, Premier League, NBA, NFL, MLB. Because any leagues in those sports must be trash since they aren't the absolute best. I don't get why it can't be enjoyable to watch Koreans and watch foreigners, and then when they do cross paths it will be a real measure. I think it is dumb that whenever Koreans need money they just venture out to Europe quick then run back to Korea. If the Korea scene is struggling it shouldn't be the responsibility of DH and IEM's of the world to create events to supplement the Korean scene. Sounds to me like the issue is that Korea needs more tournaments and more money. Maybe this system will have a positive effect in creating more opportunities for Koreans in Korea.

On January 24 2016 16:59 TronJovolta wrote:
I simply wasn't interested in watching this, unfortunately. :/ I hope Korean SC2 scene remains strong.

On January 23 2016 12:08 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
Hydra and Violet must be quite happy to have 24k $ handed over to them for little effort
Unfortunately for them due to the bracket they will only share 21k instead and one lucky foreigner is gonna make 8k instead of 5

On January 25 2016 07:59 FLuE wrote:


That is a terrible analogy, because the NFL is the highest level of play. So it doesn't work.

If you wanted to compare, it would be like not allowing the best NFL players to go play in the Arena Football League during the off-season, which I might add their contracts would forbid.

You seem hell bent on hating this situation yet are so short sighted to see that many other professional environments do a very similar thing. There is the highest level, and there are levels leading to that. If you let the highest level people drop down and dominate it ruins the building blocks.

A better example to look at would be a sport like Nascar. They have their Sprint Cup, and the Xfinity Series(use to be the Busch Series). The Xfinity series use to be a great way to build new drives into the Sprint Cup, but about 10 years ago many of the best Spring Cup drivers started dropping down and racing both races each weekend. As fun as it was short term for the fans to get to see big names race in both series, it has pushed new drivers out of money situations and not allowed them to build a following. Nascar should have banned full time drivers from racing more than a few races per year in that other series so that up and coming drivers could win and get the exposure. Now many years later the sport struggles to bring in new faces.

What is funny, as people complain about the "quality" of games, is that typically at events like IEM and DH most of the matches were Foreigner v. Foreigner because the few Koreans would move through and that was the games that were left. So people watched then. I find it funny that just having a few Koreans present, even if not actually playing games, somehow make it a better event?

If you actually watched, this event had highly entertaining games, and plenty of high quality series.

I can only assume anyone who has complained about this system also refuses to watch anything but the Olympics, World Cup, Premier League, NBA, NFL, MLB. Because any leagues in those sports must be trash since they aren't the absolute best. I don't get why it can't be enjoyable to watch Koreans and watch foreigners, and then when they do cross paths it will be a real measure. I think it is dumb that whenever Koreans need money they just venture out to Europe quick then run back to Korea. If the Korea scene is struggling it shouldn't be the responsibility of DH and IEM's of the world to create events to supplement the Korean scene. Sounds to me like the issue is that Korea needs more tournaments and more money. Maybe this system will have a positive effect in creating more opportunities for Koreans in Korea.

On January 25 2016 08:18 DomeGetta wrote:



LOL what?? Please explain again how the analogy doesn't fit? Banning the best players from the competition and celebrating the champions is the main idea in case you were confused.

The whole point is the "big names" aren't really big names.. they are local names.
Throw a handful of the players who got eliminated from code A into this tournament and what would happen?

I can't tell if you are trolling - maybe this will have a positive influence on Korea??
Yes Yes and let's also ban immigrant students from taking jobs outside of their country - it just wouldn't be fair to the rest of us who never had a... oh wait - I must sound a bit ludicrous at this point..

You clearly have missed out on the idea here - do me a favor and try to think back to a single point in recorded history where lowering the bar created a higher value product.