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DH Leipzig: The WCS Circuit Begins - 2016 - Page 2

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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 22 2016 10:00 GMT
#21
ceaseless cold war

Doesn't seem that cold to me, eh
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
January 22 2016 10:02 GMT
#22
nice read

may the baguette, firegod and godchio prevail
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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MalditoKyo
Profile Joined October 2010
France76 Posts
January 22 2016 11:29 GMT
#23
Very good article.
It's really unfortunate to see that in order to be able to survive, the foreigners need to have their own tournament without Koreans. It shows not only that we are unable to compete at the same level, but we cannot reach it without this region lock, which saddens me even more.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 22 2016 11:35 GMT
#24
One event won't be enough to say how successful this system is anyway, it needs some time. We'll have to see if Blizzard and the events can build a story over the year.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2953 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-22 12:29:55
January 22 2016 12:26 GMT
#25
On January 22 2016 17:18 _fool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2016 15:44 Incognoto wrote:
Yeah I'm sorry as if I'm going to watch an event which discriminates Korean players. :/

the first false tournament of 2016, what can i say?

sorry if this isn't the type of positive remark you'd like to hear, but i think being silent about something unfair might just be the wrong call here

I'm torn on this one.

I don't think Blizzard made the right call with excluding Koreans. Removing the highest level of competition is disappointing for players and viewers alike.

However, boycotting this tournament (and more to come) will most likely not result in Blizzard admitting they're wrong about it. If anything, viewer numbers dwindling will cause sponsors to reconsider their support of the SC2 scene. And losing big sponsors would be the death blow to many a pro team.


Well, not exactly. You forget that there's an option for WCS Global Events including Koreans. So if DreamHack Leipzig is a huge flop, some organizers might reconsider their status in the WCS environment and Blizzard might start supporting those WCS Global Events same as they support the WCS Circuit Events.

Meaning: boycotting might just be the way to go if you're disappointed with the current format. I for one will not watch a game of it. Not really as an intended boycott, but I'm just not interested in foreigner only tournaments. I've never been and I probably won't ever be. For me, DreamHack, IEM etc. have always been hype because of the chance for some foreigners to upset some Koreans - and that's just gone now.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
January 22 2016 13:16 GMT
#26
After GSl is over, lets go, CS:GO.

Sorry SC II, but it seems, every relationship has to end at one point, and this seems to be then between your weekenders and my viewing. Farewell, I know, you cant change and you know, I dont want to change... so maybe, again, in another time, but now it is over.
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BoYoB
Profile Joined March 2011
France83 Posts
January 22 2016 13:41 GMT
#27
On January 22 2016 16:14 Boucot wrote:
Baguettes, assemble !

Assemblage !
OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-22 13:47:54
January 22 2016 13:46 GMT
#28
Foreigner hype- but can it be hype when there isn't any hefty competition around? "I beat Hydra" can't be used forever. The problem is like Dear said in his interview today. (When asked why ask for Adept nerf when he has better chance of winning GSL without it) "Nobody's going to respect a winner like that. The players won't want such a disgraceful victory either." The words "He won IEM 3 times" won't hold as much merit, because there weren't any top class Koreans in there.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
January 22 2016 13:58 GMT
#29
Lilbow a contender? Someone hasn't been following lilbow since wcs finals last year.


+ Show Spoiler +

now that I say this he's gonna miraculously win the tournament somehow
OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
January 22 2016 13:58 GMT
#30
On January 22 2016 22:58 travis wrote:
Lilbow a contender? Someone hasn't been following lilbow since wcs finals last year.


+ Show Spoiler +

now that I say this he's gonna miraculously win the tournament somehow

Dude he has been practicing for this tourney last DH
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
January 22 2016 14:23 GMT
#31
Surely neeb deserved a mention under "The Young".
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
MaCRo.gg
Profile Joined June 2015
Korea (South)860 Posts
January 22 2016 14:26 GMT
#32
On January 22 2016 15:44 Incognoto wrote:
Yeah I'm sorry as if I'm going to watch an event which discriminates Korean players. :/

the first false tournament of 2016, what can i say?

sorry if this isn't the type of positive remark you'd like to hear, but i think being silent about something unfair might just be the wrong call here


Couldn't agree more.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
January 22 2016 14:36 GMT
#33
Focussing on the positive, it's going to be a blast to wholeheartedly root for HuK, Scarlett and TLO once more!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
diabcockiful
Profile Joined January 2016
22 Posts
January 22 2016 14:41 GMT
#34
On January 22 2016 15:44 Incognoto wrote:
Yeah I'm sorry as if I'm going to watch an event which discriminates Korean players. :/

the first false tournament of 2016, what can i say?

sorry if this isn't the type of positive remark you'd like to hear, but i think being silent about something unfair might just be the wrong call here


Give it a rest, they are trying something new and Koreans ALWAYS win...oh and don't watch, I think the viewer #'s will be phenomenal without ya
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
January 22 2016 14:57 GMT
#35
*yawn* the downtime in between games plus the lack of high level SC2 is going to a bad way to start off 2016. Games are going to be over quickly then we'll have 40 minutes showing the schedule.
MalditoKyo
Profile Joined October 2010
France76 Posts
January 22 2016 15:26 GMT
#36
Is it even a real Dreamhack without Koreans? I really wonder when I see all these names that I've never heard of before and goes 0-4...
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15967 Posts
January 22 2016 15:30 GMT
#37
Not watching this tournament.
Why should I be worried that dreamhack might drop sc2, no DH at all wouldn't be much worse than DH with no koreans. If I want to watch low level games I can just watch my friends play each other.
Better boycotting this tournament than supporting discrimination.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 22 2016 15:34 GMT
#38
On January 23 2016 00:30 Charoisaur wrote:
Not watching this tournament.
Why should I be worried that dreamhack might drop sc2, no DH at all wouldn't be much worse than DH with no koreans. If I want to watch low level games I can just watch my friends play each other.
Better boycotting this tournament than supporting discrimination.

This reminded me Khaldor saying "and don't start on me with racism, I am from Germany, we invented that shit"
(It was his video blog about racism in Korea)
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-22 15:38:37
January 22 2016 15:36 GMT
#39
On January 23 2016 00:30 Charoisaur wrote:
Not watching this tournament.
Why should I be worried that dreamhack might drop sc2, no DH at all wouldn't be much worse than DH with no koreans. If I want to watch low level games I can just watch my friends play each other.
Better boycotting this tournament than supporting discrimination.


Yes because your friends are GM level players that can easily compete against Koreans as well... If you want to watch Koreans play, go watch PL or any Korean SC2 channel. If you're not watching the tournament then we don't need your opinion on why you don't want to watch. The whole point is to allow other foreigners get a chance - which I'm fucking glad. I'm glad that I get to see new players for once rather than the same shit. I hope you realize, without the foreign scene, the Korean scene is dead too.

It's people like you that are killing SC2.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55551 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-22 15:47:20
January 22 2016 15:42 GMT
#40
On January 23 2016 00:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
If you're not watching the tournament then we don't need your opinion on why you don't want to watch.

I assume organizers would in fact want feedback as to why people aren't watching their tournaments. That's the only way they can find out how to improve, after all.
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