Q/A with KR players about current LOTV - Page 11

On January 12 2016 04:21 parkufarku wrote:
Bomber being a badass and Taeja always taking the weak way out by crying about Terran every chance he gets SMH

On January 12 2016 05:09 RaFox17 wrote:

Yes but that does mean that Taeja could not have had problems playing with Z or P.

On January 11 2016 19:35 Big J wrote:

I don't think he cares. If you play mech you are stupid, don't take the game seriously or you found a way to make it work. In either case you have no right to complain about TvZ.

On January 11 2016 12:38 MoonyD wrote:
No surprises here to see Terran and Zerg players complaining about Adepts. Props to Bomber for being such a badass and not crying over 'imba' unlike the others.

On January 12 2016 05:32 Merkmerk wrote:
All factory units see use. Worst case scenario you need 4 upgrades to support a bio + factory unit army. That's not that much different than zerg needing air upgrades + ground upgrades. Protoss has 3 ground upgrades and so does Zerg.

This notion that Terran players should be able to make factory only units because of silly crap they make up like "the upgrades are spread out!" is pure nonsense.

On January 12 2016 02:08 A_needle_jog wrote:
You have to go Ling/Muta against very good terran or they gonna exploit your immobility

Roach Ravager are not bad, but 4 medivac drop at each base is better haha

On January 12 2016 06:30 p68 wrote:


Not this again...

What's pure nonsense is the inability of people to recognize that this a clear example that Terran simply isn't symmetrical to the other races, and it's only in a disadvantaged way. One has to consider the average length of LOTV matches, the costs, and the tech involved. Terran must obtain a tier 3 tech building, the Armory, to start mech upgrades. Protoss and Zerg require a Tier 1 building.

Additionally, if each race wanted to get their ground units fully upgraded in a timely manner, consider the initial investment involved:

Zerg: three drones + three evolution chambers = 375/0 + opportunity cost of three larvae
Protoss: three forges: 450/0
Terran: two engineering bays + two armories = 550/200 + cost of lost mining time for each worker for the entire duration of construction

Given the short and harass-heavy nature of LOTV matches, long term investments must be made more cautiously, and higher initial investment costs do, indeed, take their toll.

If Blizzard doesn't want factory play to be a separate entity from bio, the upgrades need to be better distributed (while still maintaining 5 total upgrades like the other races) to encourage biomech compositions. I'd rather see one upgrade shared universally across ground units instead of shared between factory and starport, personally. Blizzard doesn't seem to like where factory/starport compositions lead in HOTS anyway and made changes to discourage it.

But of course, people will continue to belittle these differences as if it's nothing, because if you don't play Terran, it's not your problem. And if it's not your problem, it's easy to dismiss it.

On January 12 2016 06:20 nanaoei wrote:



you are either misunderstanding the sarcasm, or misplacing your own.

as for the adepts, have someone experienced with the build to go into a custom lobby with you, as a terran player. even if the player across several games only builds adept pressure half the time, it's enough to force you to make an early cyclone nearly every game.

if you've never played against someone who's good with it, you'll not know how much stress it puts on you.

On January 12 2016 05:24 hunterzubrus wrote:
Protoss is insane at the moment. I don't understand why they needed to buff photon overcharge so much. It's crazy that a mothership core pops out and instantly able to overcharge two pylons. Also, adepts are super strong with both tanking and shade abilities. Not to mention the stupid WP pickup range. WTF was blizzard thinking? And all you Protoss players complaining about the pros being salty.... Think for a second that livelihood of these players depends on this game being balanced. Of course they're going to be salty when Protoss is completely broken at the moment. David Kim, please wake up and nerf this stupid race.

On January 12 2016 08:16 CheddarToss wrote:

What on earth are you talking about? Win rates actually indicate that Protoss is the weakest race at the moment.

I don't quite understand this argument - No ladder game is independent in determining your skill level, as you seem to be posting this on every thread.

If protoss is winning a lot of PvT and is getting ranked at a higher level due to ostensible imbalance, that could be a plausible explanation of why they're losing all the PvZ - because winning all their PvT has inflated their MMR. The zergs they are facing could be much more skilled relative to their rank compared to the protoss.

Or it could be a combination of both - PvT is too strong, PvZ is too weak etc. I just don't get how statistics can measure this because you're being readjusted to face opponents that are similarly ranked to you, whether they got their through imbalance or not!

It's also the reason why I'm taking the pros opinion much more over empty statistics over every league.