• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:32
CEST 06:32
KST 13:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL46Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th12Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0EWC 2025 Regional Qualifier Results26
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview Magnus Carlsen and Fabi review Clem's chess game. Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing
Tourneys
Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
Mihu vs Korea Players Statistics Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion [BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 2
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Cognitive styles x game perf…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Poker
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 22164 users

[Interviews] State of LotV

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36999 Posts
December 19 2015 00:09 GMT
#1
T/N: Here's a compilation of all the progamers' responses to what they think about LotV so far from SSL qualifier winner interviews.

(T)INnoVation

Only two have Terrans made it through so far.

TvZ is doable but we can't really win TvP. I think Terrans can't make it through because of TvP. As a whole, I don't think Terran is a good race in SC2.

What do you think needs to be done in order for Terrans to become stronger?

I think we need an adept nerf. There are so many scenarios where we can't block even though we know it's coming. Either that or make cyclones stronger. Please revive Terran somehow.

(T)aLive

Which race do you want to avoid in the Ro16?

I want to avoid Protoss if possible. Based on the current balance, I feel like I would want to face a Zerg. If possible, I'm hoping Protoss players won't come near me (laughs).

(P)Patience

Do you have a favorite unit?

I really like the adept. I can win almost all my games if I utilize adepts in PvT so I can see why Terrans feel that adepts are OP. If Blizzard does end up nerfing the adept, then I hope they only do a small one since PvT mid-game will become stronger for Terrans otherwise. Because the thing is, a lot of nerfs will cause problems for PvT, but it will also make things really difficult for PvZ.

(P)Trust

Do you dislike PvZ?

I don't think this matchup is really balanced. I really dislike PvZ. I dislike it so much that I just sigh while being unable to even properly explain why.

(P)Stats

How do you feel about the racial balance for LotV?

I feel that the balance right now is headed towards the SC:BW path. It's difficult for Terran to win against Protoss and it's difficult for Protoss to win against Zerg. From a Protoss' perspective, ravages are OP and lurkers are OP. Of course, for PvT, adepts are OP as well (laughs). Personally, I feel that a patch needs to occur. But then again, believing in the players and leaving things alone is also another way to go.

Who do you want to avoid for the Ro16?

Rather than say there's a player I want to avoid, I'd rather just avoid a certain race. LotV is so similar to SC:BW balance-wise that I think it will be difficult to face a Zerg. If possible, I would hope to face a Terran. Maru is 50/50 (laughs).

(Z)Solar

How do you feel about Zerg for LotV?

Zerg is too weak. So many people have been saying that Zerg is strong so people are thinking this. But if you look at ladder, there's only one Zerg in the top ten. Protoss and Terran are both experimenting a lot so it's become difficult for Zergs. I'm actually frustrated about this notion that Zerg is really strong. Personally, I have difficulties when facing Terran and I feel that the balance is going down the SC:BW way.





BONUS!
+ Show Spoiler [Smiling Assasin] +

[image loading]
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Aquila-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
516 Posts
December 19 2015 00:39 GMT
#2
Send this to Blizzard please
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 19 2015 00:41 GMT
#3
Funny that the community feedback doesn't even mention adepts while here even the P are admitting they're broken.
Zest fanboy.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
December 19 2015 00:44 GMT
#4
Terrans: Terran is too weak.
Protosses: Protoss can't win vs. Zerg.
Zergs: Zerg too weak.

Gotta love progamers. :D
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
sh0ck
Profile Joined December 2015
United States52 Posts
December 19 2015 00:44 GMT
#5
LOL at "zerg is too weak" ...and from Solar no less
Farewell, Three Musketeers - Flash, Rain, FanTaSy
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 19 2015 00:47 GMT
#6
I think it is interesting that they say the game is 'going down a bw path'
T>Z>P>T confirmed?
Not entirely sure this is the case tbh, but maybe the meta in korea really is like that in general
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Timelog
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands57 Posts
December 19 2015 00:52 GMT
#7
So basically
balance right now is headed towards the SC:BW path
is good right? I mean, I have had to hear that it should go that way for 5 years, so... It's good right? /sarcasm

But really, It's interesting to see that each race's player has a different opinion about how the balance is at the moment, would have liked to see more opinions though.
Terrible Starcraft 2 player, SC2 EU Battle.Net MVP and overall gaming enthousiast.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 19 2015 00:53 GMT
#8
On December 19 2015 09:44 sh0ck wrote:
LOL at "zerg is too weak" ...and from Solar no less


I think LotV Z is rather easy than strong. Like with roach/ravager you don't need to have stellar control or be a tactical genius to make it work but the potential is quite limited, contrary to adepts (in harassement) and tankivacs for exemple.
Zest fanboy.
Spleydi
Profile Joined February 2014
Switzerland20 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 01:37:57
December 19 2015 01:09 GMT
#9
On December 19 2015 09:53 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 09:44 sh0ck wrote:
LOL at "zerg is too weak" ...and from Solar no less


I think LotV Z is rather easy than strong. Like with roach/ravager you don't need to have stellar control or be a tactical genius to make it work but the potential is quite limited, contrary to adepts (in harassement) and tankivacs for exemple.


That's not true you need to have a quite good drop defence against good players and you also need to have a decent army control because of tanks and liberators. And the more bases you get the harded it gets to defend them. Ling /Bane/Muta in HotS was way easier to play than Roach/Ravager/Infestor nowdays.
Berry_CruncH
Profile Joined April 2015
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 01:30:59
December 19 2015 01:30 GMT
#10
On December 19 2015 09:44 vult wrote:
Terrans: Terran is too weak.
Protosses: Protoss can't win vs. Zerg.
Zergs: Zerg too weak.

Gotta love progamers. :D



Well considering Terran's performance against both races. Along with Protoss' performance vs Zerg. And the fact that Solar is complaining while having won two tournaments in LOTV already... It's pretty safe to assume that the general consensus is that Zerg is strong, Terran is weak and that Zerg players are scared of the incoming nerfs.
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 01:36:59
December 19 2015 01:31 GMT
#11
thank you for this!!!!!

On December 19 2015 09:39 Aquila- wrote:
Send this to Blizzard please

pretty sure Blizzard keeps direct contact with the progamers already
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
December 19 2015 01:35 GMT
#12
zerg is weak boyz
Jakamakala
Profile Joined July 2011
United States115 Posts
December 19 2015 01:46 GMT
#13
On December 19 2015 10:30 Berry_CruncH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 09:44 vult wrote:
Terrans: Terran is too weak.
Protosses: Protoss can't win vs. Zerg.
Zergs: Zerg too weak.

Gotta love progamers. :D



Well considering Terran's performance against both races. Along with Protoss' performance vs Zerg. And the fact that Solar is complaining while having won two tournaments in LOTV already... It's pretty safe to assume that the general consensus is that Zerg is strong, Terran is weak and that Zerg players are scared of the incoming nerfs.


He won two tournaments? What's there to complain about the micro requirement differences for Terran and Zerg are pretty transparent.
Xaeldaren
Profile Joined June 2010
Ireland588 Posts
December 19 2015 01:46 GMT
#14
Seeker, will you be translating herO's interview?
necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
December 19 2015 01:47 GMT
#15
solar referencing the ladder as evidence lol
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10668 Posts
December 19 2015 01:50 GMT
#16
Going down the SC BW Path sounds good to me.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36999 Posts
December 19 2015 01:50 GMT
#17
On December 19 2015 10:46 Xaeldaren wrote:
Seeker, will you be translating herO's interview?

I could if you'd like me to. But he really didn't say anything noteworthy.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12770 Posts
December 19 2015 01:56 GMT
#18
Not only the ladder, but only the top 10...
As I expected terrans struggled more vs Protoss, being murdered by them in GSL Pre-Season.
TvZ doable because you can kill them in early/mid on most maps and turtle + multidrop on other maps?

And yeah the Zerg has it easier with roach ravager on seras ruins cross pos for example, tankivac saves the day tho.
WriterMaru
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
December 19 2015 02:10 GMT
#19
On December 19 2015 10:50 GGzerG wrote:
Going down the SC BW Path sounds good to me.


pretty sure he means in regard to T>Z>P>T dynamic thats going on right now.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Spleydi
Profile Joined February 2014
Switzerland20 Posts
December 19 2015 02:35 GMT
#20
On December 19 2015 10:30 Berry_CruncH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 09:44 vult wrote:
Terrans: Terran is too weak.
Protosses: Protoss can't win vs. Zerg.
Zergs: Zerg too weak.

Gotta love progamers. :D



Well considering Terran's performance against both races. Along with Protoss' performance vs Zerg. And the fact that Solar is complaining while having won two tournaments in LOTV already... It's pretty safe to assume that the general consensus is that Zerg is strong, Terran is weak and that Zerg players are scared of the incoming nerfs.


Solar won one big tournament and he didn't really won it as much as Parting threw it. So it's a pretty misleading thing to say. The only thing safe to assume is that T is pretty weak vs P and nothing more. Terrans did whine about ultras as if you can't beat them but now many starting to learn how to play with ghosts and starting to do quite well against that.
It's like the medivacboost at the start of HotS. Protoss did whine that it's way to strong and what happen than? Oh they learned how to fucking play against it.
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 28m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 256
NeuroSwarm 191
Livibee 184
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2464
ToSsGirL 48
Movie 14
Bale 14
Terrorterran 11
Dota 2
monkeys_forever709
League of Legends
JimRising 891
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King95
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor94
Other Games
summit1g9122
shahzam2078
WinterStarcraft445
ViBE230
RuFF_SC286
Models1
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream1882
Other Games
gamesdonequick679
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH290
• practicex 42
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 22
• Diggity4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5823
• Lourlo1448
Counter-Strike
• Shiphtur2102
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
6h 28m
Replay Cast
19h 28m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 6h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 6h
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL Code S
3 days
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Cheesadelphia
5 days
GSL Code S
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.