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On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 00:21 Cascade wrote:On December 19 2015 23:51 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 19 2015 23:39 johax wrote:
people who say that zerg is too strong, and saying things like solar won dh, how can zerg be weak?
did you even see the games vs parting?
solar won 2 macro games where parting let solar make a spire and save up for a big wave of mutas without scouting it whatsoever. the games where parting acutally scouted the spire he looked near to unbeatable. the other two map wins for solar where games where parting decided to cheese and even then made big mistakes.
solar didn't win because of zerg, he won because parting didn't scout properly and for some reason decided to allin.
Good post from sweden. I quote because truth needs to be the dominant factor in starcraft and not bias. Keep on the good posts  A zerg says that zerg isn't OP. Another zerg comes along and says that it is correct, and that we should avoid bias. As a zerg, listen to yourself cerebrate! :D We are all biased. Ok that out of the way, good. They all seem to agree with each other, right? At least after you subtract a bit of above mentioned bias from everyone. Z >> P >>> T > Z This can actually cause Zergs to come out on top, as the tosses kick out all the terrans through the strongest imbalance, and the zergs can rein over the remaining tosses and zergs. I actually made a mathematical model explaining that in a BW context many (8!) years ago, although at that point it was Z > P that was the strongest imbalance which caused T to come out on top. The model. That would fit with how T are ok with TvZ but complain about TvP, P are ok with PvT (or even admit P is favoured!), but complain about PvZ, and finally says everything is fine, but ZvT is too hard. So yeah, then the solution would be to "fix" TvP, together with a matching nerf to Z to dampen the Z >> P a bit, but without letting the T > Z go out of control. Lurkers maybe? It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too 
As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying.
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On December 20 2015 00:59 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:21 Cascade wrote:On December 19 2015 23:51 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 19 2015 23:39 johax wrote:
people who say that zerg is too strong, and saying things like solar won dh, how can zerg be weak?
did you even see the games vs parting?
solar won 2 macro games where parting let solar make a spire and save up for a big wave of mutas without scouting it whatsoever. the games where parting acutally scouted the spire he looked near to unbeatable. the other two map wins for solar where games where parting decided to cheese and even then made big mistakes.
solar didn't win because of zerg, he won because parting didn't scout properly and for some reason decided to allin.
Good post from sweden. I quote because truth needs to be the dominant factor in starcraft and not bias. Keep on the good posts A zerg says that zerg isn't OP. Another zerg comes along and says that it is correct, and that we should avoid bias. As a zerg, listen to yourself cerebrate! :D We are all biased. Ok that out of the way, good. They all seem to agree with each other, right? At least after you subtract a bit of above mentioned bias from everyone. Z >> P >>> T > Z This can actually cause Zergs to come out on top, as the tosses kick out all the terrans through the strongest imbalance, and the zergs can rein over the remaining tosses and zergs. I actually made a mathematical model explaining that in a BW context many (8!) years ago, although at that point it was Z > P that was the strongest imbalance which caused T to come out on top. The model. That would fit with how T are ok with TvZ but complain about TvP, P are ok with PvT (or even admit P is favoured!), but complain about PvZ, and finally says everything is fine, but ZvT is too hard. So yeah, then the solution would be to "fix" TvP, together with a matching nerf to Z to dampen the Z >> P a bit, but without letting the T > Z go out of control. Lurkers maybe? It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying.
but Solar is progamer
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On December 20 2015 01:01 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 00:59 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:21 Cascade wrote:On December 19 2015 23:51 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 19 2015 23:39 johax wrote:
people who say that zerg is too strong, and saying things like solar won dh, how can zerg be weak?
did you even see the games vs parting?
solar won 2 macro games where parting let solar make a spire and save up for a big wave of mutas without scouting it whatsoever. the games where parting acutally scouted the spire he looked near to unbeatable. the other two map wins for solar where games where parting decided to cheese and even then made big mistakes.
solar didn't win because of zerg, he won because parting didn't scout properly and for some reason decided to allin.
Good post from sweden. I quote because truth needs to be the dominant factor in starcraft and not bias. Keep on the good posts A zerg says that zerg isn't OP. Another zerg comes along and says that it is correct, and that we should avoid bias. As a zerg, listen to yourself cerebrate! :D We are all biased. Ok that out of the way, good. They all seem to agree with each other, right? At least after you subtract a bit of above mentioned bias from everyone. Z >> P >>> T > Z This can actually cause Zergs to come out on top, as the tosses kick out all the terrans through the strongest imbalance, and the zergs can rein over the remaining tosses and zergs. I actually made a mathematical model explaining that in a BW context many (8!) years ago, although at that point it was Z > P that was the strongest imbalance which caused T to come out on top. The model. That would fit with how T are ok with TvZ but complain about TvP, P are ok with PvT (or even admit P is favoured!), but complain about PvZ, and finally says everything is fine, but ZvT is too hard. So yeah, then the solution would be to "fix" TvP, together with a matching nerf to Z to dampen the Z >> P a bit, but without letting the T > Z go out of control. Lurkers maybe? It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying. but Solar is progamer
So are the other players in the interview who state zerg isnt weak.
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On December 20 2015 01:01 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 00:59 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:21 Cascade wrote:On December 19 2015 23:51 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 19 2015 23:39 johax wrote:
people who say that zerg is too strong, and saying things like solar won dh, how can zerg be weak?
did you even see the games vs parting?
solar won 2 macro games where parting let solar make a spire and save up for a big wave of mutas without scouting it whatsoever. the games where parting acutally scouted the spire he looked near to unbeatable. the other two map wins for solar where games where parting decided to cheese and even then made big mistakes.
solar didn't win because of zerg, he won because parting didn't scout properly and for some reason decided to allin.
Good post from sweden. I quote because truth needs to be the dominant factor in starcraft and not bias. Keep on the good posts A zerg says that zerg isn't OP. Another zerg comes along and says that it is correct, and that we should avoid bias. As a zerg, listen to yourself cerebrate! :D We are all biased. Ok that out of the way, good. They all seem to agree with each other, right? At least after you subtract a bit of above mentioned bias from everyone. Z >> P >>> T > Z This can actually cause Zergs to come out on top, as the tosses kick out all the terrans through the strongest imbalance, and the zergs can rein over the remaining tosses and zergs. I actually made a mathematical model explaining that in a BW context many (8!) years ago, although at that point it was Z > P that was the strongest imbalance which caused T to come out on top. The model. That would fit with how T are ok with TvZ but complain about TvP, P are ok with PvT (or even admit P is favoured!), but complain about PvZ, and finally says everything is fine, but ZvT is too hard. So yeah, then the solution would be to "fix" TvP, together with a matching nerf to Z to dampen the Z >> P a bit, but without letting the T > Z go out of control. Lurkers maybe? It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying. but Solar is progamer
Stats is also a progamer, he's in fact been a progamer for much longer than Solar, and he says Zerg is very strong against Protoss. Solar says Zerg is too weak. They can't both be right.
Which is to say we shouldn't blindly  Trust their opinions.
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On December 20 2015 01:03 PinoKotsBeer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 01:01 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:59 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:21 Cascade wrote:On December 19 2015 23:51 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 19 2015 23:39 johax wrote:
people who say that zerg is too strong, and saying things like solar won dh, how can zerg be weak?
did you even see the games vs parting?
solar won 2 macro games where parting let solar make a spire and save up for a big wave of mutas without scouting it whatsoever. the games where parting acutally scouted the spire he looked near to unbeatable. the other two map wins for solar where games where parting decided to cheese and even then made big mistakes.
solar didn't win because of zerg, he won because parting didn't scout properly and for some reason decided to allin.
Good post from sweden. I quote because truth needs to be the dominant factor in starcraft and not bias. Keep on the good posts A zerg says that zerg isn't OP. Another zerg comes along and says that it is correct, and that we should avoid bias. As a zerg, listen to yourself cerebrate! :D We are all biased. Ok that out of the way, good. They all seem to agree with each other, right? At least after you subtract a bit of above mentioned bias from everyone. Z >> P >>> T > Z This can actually cause Zergs to come out on top, as the tosses kick out all the terrans through the strongest imbalance, and the zergs can rein over the remaining tosses and zergs. I actually made a mathematical model explaining that in a BW context many (8!) years ago, although at that point it was Z > P that was the strongest imbalance which caused T to come out on top. The model. That would fit with how T are ok with TvZ but complain about TvP, P are ok with PvT (or even admit P is favoured!), but complain about PvZ, and finally says everything is fine, but ZvT is too hard. So yeah, then the solution would be to "fix" TvP, together with a matching nerf to Z to dampen the Z >> P a bit, but without letting the T > Z go out of control. Lurkers maybe? It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying. but Solar is progamer So are the other players in the interview who state zerg isnt weak.
There is one big difference !
First the other guys say Zerg is a bit too strong versus protoss, but then Solar says people have misconceptions about zerg !
So only Solar is right, because he is calling it. You understand what I mean? ^^
Solar not only say that Zerg is too weak, but that other people don't understand the game as good as he do. It is pretty easy to see that Solar has a better view on this
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On December 20 2015 01:10 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 01:03 PinoKotsBeer wrote:On December 20 2015 01:01 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:59 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:21 Cascade wrote:On December 19 2015 23:51 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 19 2015 23:39 johax wrote:
people who say that zerg is too strong, and saying things like solar won dh, how can zerg be weak?
did you even see the games vs parting?
solar won 2 macro games where parting let solar make a spire and save up for a big wave of mutas without scouting it whatsoever. the games where parting acutally scouted the spire he looked near to unbeatable. the other two map wins for solar where games where parting decided to cheese and even then made big mistakes.
solar didn't win because of zerg, he won because parting didn't scout properly and for some reason decided to allin.
Good post from sweden. I quote because truth needs to be the dominant factor in starcraft and not bias. Keep on the good posts A zerg says that zerg isn't OP. Another zerg comes along and says that it is correct, and that we should avoid bias. As a zerg, listen to yourself cerebrate! :D We are all biased. Ok that out of the way, good. They all seem to agree with each other, right? At least after you subtract a bit of above mentioned bias from everyone. Z >> P >>> T > Z This can actually cause Zergs to come out on top, as the tosses kick out all the terrans through the strongest imbalance, and the zergs can rein over the remaining tosses and zergs. I actually made a mathematical model explaining that in a BW context many (8!) years ago, although at that point it was Z > P that was the strongest imbalance which caused T to come out on top. The model. That would fit with how T are ok with TvZ but complain about TvP, P are ok with PvT (or even admit P is favoured!), but complain about PvZ, and finally says everything is fine, but ZvT is too hard. So yeah, then the solution would be to "fix" TvP, together with a matching nerf to Z to dampen the Z >> P a bit, but without letting the T > Z go out of control. Lurkers maybe? It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying. but Solar is progamer So are the other players in the interview who state zerg isnt weak. There is one big difference ! First the other guys say Zerg is a bit too strong versus protoss, but then Solar says people have misconceptions about zerg ! So only Solar is right, because he is calling it. You understand what I mean? ^^ Solar not only say that Zerg is too weak, but that other people don't understand the game as good as he do. It is pretty easy to see that Solar has a better view on this
So because he says people don't understand the game as well as he does it's automatically true? That train of logic is stupid, sorry. He's probably not even talking about other progamers in that sentence.
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On December 20 2015 01:13 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 01:10 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 01:03 PinoKotsBeer wrote:On December 20 2015 01:01 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:59 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:21 Cascade wrote:On December 19 2015 23:51 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 19 2015 23:39 johax wrote:
people who say that zerg is too strong, and saying things like solar won dh, how can zerg be weak?
did you even see the games vs parting?
solar won 2 macro games where parting let solar make a spire and save up for a big wave of mutas without scouting it whatsoever. the games where parting acutally scouted the spire he looked near to unbeatable. the other two map wins for solar where games where parting decided to cheese and even then made big mistakes.
solar didn't win because of zerg, he won because parting didn't scout properly and for some reason decided to allin.
Good post from sweden. I quote because truth needs to be the dominant factor in starcraft and not bias. Keep on the good posts A zerg says that zerg isn't OP. Another zerg comes along and says that it is correct, and that we should avoid bias. As a zerg, listen to yourself cerebrate! :D We are all biased. Ok that out of the way, good. They all seem to agree with each other, right? At least after you subtract a bit of above mentioned bias from everyone. Z >> P >>> T > Z This can actually cause Zergs to come out on top, as the tosses kick out all the terrans through the strongest imbalance, and the zergs can rein over the remaining tosses and zergs. I actually made a mathematical model explaining that in a BW context many (8!) years ago, although at that point it was Z > P that was the strongest imbalance which caused T to come out on top. The model. That would fit with how T are ok with TvZ but complain about TvP, P are ok with PvT (or even admit P is favoured!), but complain about PvZ, and finally says everything is fine, but ZvT is too hard. So yeah, then the solution would be to "fix" TvP, together with a matching nerf to Z to dampen the Z >> P a bit, but without letting the T > Z go out of control. Lurkers maybe? It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying. but Solar is progamer So are the other players in the interview who state zerg isnt weak. There is one big difference ! First the other guys say Zerg is a bit too strong versus protoss, but then Solar says people have misconceptions about zerg ! So only Solar is right, because he is calling it. You understand what I mean? ^^ Solar not only say that Zerg is too weak, but that other people don't understand the game as good as he do. It is pretty easy to see that Solar has a better view on this So because he says people don't understand the game as well as he does it's automatically true? That train of logic is stupid, sorry. He's probably not even talking about other progamers in that sentence.
Nononono.
Look how Solar is ahead in his mind already. Like in game.
He knows what people think and that they are wrong.
It is like with evolution and creationism and earth is flat vs round
you understand?
Solar is ahead of them. In 6 months they gonna say "oh Solar was right. It is so easy to beat Zerg with Adepts just attack them"
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This trolling needs to stop :s.
Thanks for the translation!
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On December 20 2015 01:16 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 01:13 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 01:10 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 01:03 PinoKotsBeer wrote:On December 20 2015 01:01 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:59 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:21 Cascade wrote:On December 19 2015 23:51 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 19 2015 23:39 johax wrote:
people who say that zerg is too strong, and saying things like solar won dh, how can zerg be weak?
did you even see the games vs parting?
solar won 2 macro games where parting let solar make a spire and save up for a big wave of mutas without scouting it whatsoever. the games where parting acutally scouted the spire he looked near to unbeatable. the other two map wins for solar where games where parting decided to cheese and even then made big mistakes.
solar didn't win because of zerg, he won because parting didn't scout properly and for some reason decided to allin.
Good post from sweden. I quote because truth needs to be the dominant factor in starcraft and not bias. Keep on the good posts A zerg says that zerg isn't OP. Another zerg comes along and says that it is correct, and that we should avoid bias. As a zerg, listen to yourself cerebrate! :D We are all biased. Ok that out of the way, good. They all seem to agree with each other, right? At least after you subtract a bit of above mentioned bias from everyone. Z >> P >>> T > Z This can actually cause Zergs to come out on top, as the tosses kick out all the terrans through the strongest imbalance, and the zergs can rein over the remaining tosses and zergs. I actually made a mathematical model explaining that in a BW context many (8!) years ago, although at that point it was Z > P that was the strongest imbalance which caused T to come out on top. The model. That would fit with how T are ok with TvZ but complain about TvP, P are ok with PvT (or even admit P is favoured!), but complain about PvZ, and finally says everything is fine, but ZvT is too hard. So yeah, then the solution would be to "fix" TvP, together with a matching nerf to Z to dampen the Z >> P a bit, but without letting the T > Z go out of control. Lurkers maybe? It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying. but Solar is progamer So are the other players in the interview who state zerg isnt weak. There is one big difference ! First the other guys say Zerg is a bit too strong versus protoss, but then Solar says people have misconceptions about zerg ! So only Solar is right, because he is calling it. You understand what I mean? ^^ Solar not only say that Zerg is too weak, but that other people don't understand the game as good as he do. It is pretty easy to see that Solar has a better view on this So because he says people don't understand the game as well as he does it's automatically true? That train of logic is stupid, sorry. He's probably not even talking about other progamers in that sentence. Nononono. Look how Solar is ahead in his mind already. Like in game. He knows what people think and that they are wrong. It is like with evolution and creationism and earth is flat vs round you understand? Solar is ahead of them. In 6 months they gonna say "oh Solar was right. It is so easy to beat Zerg with Adepts just attack them"
Well, I know what you think, and I say you are wrong.
Does that prove that I am right? 
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On December 20 2015 01:20 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 01:16 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 01:13 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 01:10 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 01:03 PinoKotsBeer wrote:On December 20 2015 01:01 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:59 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:21 Cascade wrote:On December 19 2015 23:51 A_needle_jog wrote:[quote] Good post from sweden. I quote because truth needs to be the dominant factor in starcraft and not bias. Keep on the good posts A zerg says that zerg isn't OP. Another zerg comes along and says that it is correct, and that we should avoid bias. As a zerg, listen to yourself cerebrate! :D We are all biased. Ok that out of the way, good. They all seem to agree with each other, right? At least after you subtract a bit of above mentioned bias from everyone. Z >> P >>> T > Z This can actually cause Zergs to come out on top, as the tosses kick out all the terrans through the strongest imbalance, and the zergs can rein over the remaining tosses and zergs. I actually made a mathematical model explaining that in a BW context many (8!) years ago, although at that point it was Z > P that was the strongest imbalance which caused T to come out on top. The model. That would fit with how T are ok with TvZ but complain about TvP, P are ok with PvT (or even admit P is favoured!), but complain about PvZ, and finally says everything is fine, but ZvT is too hard. So yeah, then the solution would be to "fix" TvP, together with a matching nerf to Z to dampen the Z >> P a bit, but without letting the T > Z go out of control. Lurkers maybe? It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying. but Solar is progamer So are the other players in the interview who state zerg isnt weak. There is one big difference ! First the other guys say Zerg is a bit too strong versus protoss, but then Solar says people have misconceptions about zerg ! So only Solar is right, because he is calling it. You understand what I mean? ^^ Solar not only say that Zerg is too weak, but that other people don't understand the game as good as he do. It is pretty easy to see that Solar has a better view on this So because he says people don't understand the game as well as he does it's automatically true? That train of logic is stupid, sorry. He's probably not even talking about other progamers in that sentence. Nononono. Look how Solar is ahead in his mind already. Like in game. He knows what people think and that they are wrong. It is like with evolution and creationism and earth is flat vs round you understand? Solar is ahead of them. In 6 months they gonna say "oh Solar was right. It is so easy to beat Zerg with Adepts just attack them" Well, I know what you think, and I say you are wrong. Does that prove that I am right?
When you are better gamer than me then yes you are right about me being wrong
But Solar is very good !
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On December 20 2015 01:21 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 01:20 Cascade wrote:On December 20 2015 01:16 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 01:13 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 01:10 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 01:03 PinoKotsBeer wrote:On December 20 2015 01:01 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:59 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:21 Cascade wrote:[quote] A zerg says that zerg isn't OP. Another zerg comes along and says that it is correct, and that we should avoid bias. As a zerg, listen to yourself cerebrate! :D We are all biased. Ok that out of the way, good. They all seem to agree with each other, right? At least after you subtract a bit of above mentioned bias from everyone. Z >> P >>> T > Z This can actually cause Zergs to come out on top, as the tosses kick out all the terrans through the strongest imbalance, and the zergs can rein over the remaining tosses and zergs. I actually made a mathematical model explaining that in a BW context many (8!) years ago, although at that point it was Z > P that was the strongest imbalance which caused T to come out on top. The model. That would fit with how T are ok with TvZ but complain about TvP, P are ok with PvT (or even admit P is favoured!), but complain about PvZ, and finally says everything is fine, but ZvT is too hard. So yeah, then the solution would be to "fix" TvP, together with a matching nerf to Z to dampen the Z >> P a bit, but without letting the T > Z go out of control. Lurkers maybe? It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying. but Solar is progamer So are the other players in the interview who state zerg isnt weak. There is one big difference ! First the other guys say Zerg is a bit too strong versus protoss, but then Solar says people have misconceptions about zerg ! So only Solar is right, because he is calling it. You understand what I mean? ^^ Solar not only say that Zerg is too weak, but that other people don't understand the game as good as he do. It is pretty easy to see that Solar has a better view on this So because he says people don't understand the game as well as he does it's automatically true? That train of logic is stupid, sorry. He's probably not even talking about other progamers in that sentence. Nononono. Look how Solar is ahead in his mind already. Like in game. He knows what people think and that they are wrong. It is like with evolution and creationism and earth is flat vs round you understand? Solar is ahead of them. In 6 months they gonna say "oh Solar was right. It is so easy to beat Zerg with Adepts just attack them" Well, I know what you think, and I say you are wrong. Does that prove that I am right? When you are better gamer than me then yes you are right about me being wrong But Solar is very good !
The only logical conclusion to this is that if 2 progamers of the same skill disagree about balance the universe implodes.
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On December 20 2015 01:23 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 01:21 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 01:20 Cascade wrote:On December 20 2015 01:16 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 01:13 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 01:10 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 01:03 PinoKotsBeer wrote:On December 20 2015 01:01 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:59 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:[quote] It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying. but Solar is progamer So are the other players in the interview who state zerg isnt weak. There is one big difference ! First the other guys say Zerg is a bit too strong versus protoss, but then Solar says people have misconceptions about zerg ! So only Solar is right, because he is calling it. You understand what I mean? ^^ Solar not only say that Zerg is too weak, but that other people don't understand the game as good as he do. It is pretty easy to see that Solar has a better view on this So because he says people don't understand the game as well as he does it's automatically true? That train of logic is stupid, sorry. He's probably not even talking about other progamers in that sentence. Nononono. Look how Solar is ahead in his mind already. Like in game. He knows what people think and that they are wrong. It is like with evolution and creationism and earth is flat vs round you understand? Solar is ahead of them. In 6 months they gonna say "oh Solar was right. It is so easy to beat Zerg with Adepts just attack them" Well, I know what you think, and I say you are wrong. Does that prove that I am right? When you are better gamer than me then yes you are right about me being wrong But Solar is very good ! The only logical conclusion to this is that if 2 progamers of the same skill disagree about balance the universe implodes.
no then they have to play against each other mirror with the race they do not play ^^
like when argument Solar vs parting then both play Bo7 terran and winner can decide truth ^^
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On December 20 2015 01:21 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2015 01:20 Cascade wrote:On December 20 2015 01:16 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 01:13 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 01:10 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 01:03 PinoKotsBeer wrote:On December 20 2015 01:01 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:59 Elentos wrote:On December 20 2015 00:45 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 20 2015 00:21 Cascade wrote:[quote] A zerg says that zerg isn't OP. Another zerg comes along and says that it is correct, and that we should avoid bias. As a zerg, listen to yourself cerebrate! :D We are all biased. Ok that out of the way, good. They all seem to agree with each other, right? At least after you subtract a bit of above mentioned bias from everyone. Z >> P >>> T > Z This can actually cause Zergs to come out on top, as the tosses kick out all the terrans through the strongest imbalance, and the zergs can rein over the remaining tosses and zergs. I actually made a mathematical model explaining that in a BW context many (8!) years ago, although at that point it was Z > P that was the strongest imbalance which caused T to come out on top. The model. That would fit with how T are ok with TvZ but complain about TvP, P are ok with PvT (or even admit P is favoured!), but complain about PvZ, and finally says everything is fine, but ZvT is too hard. So yeah, then the solution would be to "fix" TvP, together with a matching nerf to Z to dampen the Z >> P a bit, but without letting the T > Z go out of control. Lurkers maybe? It is good post, but sorry Solar is pro gamer who many experience and knows good. Try play zerg. you need much apm for it to deflect attacks. very hard ^^ it is frustrating to defend reaper, liberator, adept, warp prism, oracle, medivac marines, medivac tanks, hellions, hellbats, dark templars. Zerg has no harass. I want to harass enemy too As much as I respect how good Solar is and how experienced he is, when he says "Zerg is too weak" as a general statement he's pretty much outright lying. but Solar is progamer So are the other players in the interview who state zerg isnt weak. There is one big difference ! First the other guys say Zerg is a bit too strong versus protoss, but then Solar says people have misconceptions about zerg ! So only Solar is right, because he is calling it. You understand what I mean? ^^ Solar not only say that Zerg is too weak, but that other people don't understand the game as good as he do. It is pretty easy to see that Solar has a better view on this So because he says people don't understand the game as well as he does it's automatically true? That train of logic is stupid, sorry. He's probably not even talking about other progamers in that sentence. Nononono. Look how Solar is ahead in his mind already. Like in game. He knows what people think and that they are wrong. It is like with evolution and creationism and earth is flat vs round you understand? Solar is ahead of them. In 6 months they gonna say "oh Solar was right. It is so easy to beat Zerg with Adepts just attack them" Well, I know what you think, and I say you are wrong. Does that prove that I am right? When you are better gamer than me then yes you are right about me being wrong But Solar is very good !
As a scientist I am better than you at analysis and bias, so I think I am right then. 
Solar is a great player, no doubt.
+ Show Spoiler +But a biased great player!! :D
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herO looking badass ... should wear the mask to every tournament
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On December 20 2015 02:06 BlackZetsu wrote:herO looking badass ... should wear the mask to every tournament
haha I think look like girl underwear 
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