EPTQ/A with KR players about current LOTV - Page 13
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MrMischelito
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12409 Posts
On January 12 2016 15:23 TheWinks wrote: This isn't necessarily true either. It's also self-selected. I've played in a tournament before and had some opponents report the games to aligulac and others not. That's not how it works. We add the games, we don't wait for people to add them for us. | ||
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SpecKROELLchen
Germany151 Posts
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A_needle_jog
Korea (South)699 Posts
On January 12 2016 13:04 Cascade wrote: When you first came here you would insult posters right and left happily. When they disapproved of you insulting them, I remember you told one to "fight like a man". Here I am calling you out on something you have been complaining about loudly for quite some time. Showing data that is in direct conflict with what you are saying. I'm going pretty hard on you, but I feel I am not insulting you more than calling you biased and wrong in the phoenix case.  I know you are a good sc2 players with a lot of knowledge, I am just trying to get you to take your head out of your zerg-biased bag. So what you SHOULD do is either:1) Try to explain why your idea is still valid, despite the data. 2) admit that maybe you were wrong. Instead, you choose to pull out largest number of sad smilies I've seen in a long while, and pretend that you are hurt. You completely avoid the discussion about how your previous rants were unfounded. Is that how "a man" reacts? Avoids discussion and starts crying?? IS IT??? So please, let's try to not take everything so personal, and let's together try to understand what is going on in a more objective way. I know it's hard, but I think you can do it. Okay I apologize to you if you hate me for old times, but I am changed person after admin told me what I did wrong ( I was aggressive bully to hide my soft feeling side  )Now we are friends and all agree on what koreans and soulkey say  | ||
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p68
100 Posts
On January 12 2016 18:11 sh1RoKen wrote: It is a huge disadvantage in a harassment conditions. You want to kill harvesters. If you can't kill harvesters, you want to lose nothing, fly away and look for another opportunity to do so. When you unload from 2 medevacs, see the army coming, load and fly away very fast - good harassment conditions. You've killed some workers and lose nothing. When you warping from 8 gateways for 4 seconds while all workers are escaping, see the army coming, load only 4 units, wait until prism became movable and fly away - bad harassment conditions. You've killed some workers only if your opponent has a bad reaction, always lose everything above 4 units and you have a higher risk of losing your prism.. But it's because you warped in an amount of units that exceeded the storage capacity of the warp prism. You realize that's an advantage...right? You didn't have to have all the units involved ready before arriving at the enemy base.. The original comparisons I responded to only discussed cons without acknowledging the pros. Terran only brings the amount of units that matches the storage capacity, so of course they're able to pickup the entire army that they brought in. But anyway, the bad condition you discuss is alleviated, at least partially, by both the warp prism pickup range and adept shades. You can use the warp prism to warp in units right outside the cliff and elevator the troops in, so that you can still catch the enemy off guard, and adept shades help survival and ensure a high probability of doing damage. Notice that it's not the warp prism itself that people are complaining about; it's warp prism PLUS adepts! Nobody complains about warp prism + zealot or stalker... On January 12 2016 18:11 sh1RoKen wrote:If you don't face a drop defence, MMM has a much better dps to both workers and buildings than any protoss gateway mix. If you can't defend one warp on prism with your army, you just was too greedy and get punished because MMM is stronger than adepts without upgrade and equally strong if they have the upgrade (resource wise). What we see in the current meta is that Protoss players are able to pull of very early adept/WP harass and take a third easily without missing a beat. The third can be taken relatively safely, even if the harass fails to do significant damage. Protoss players can call others greedy, but it is kind of comical to do so, at the moment. Pylon overcharge, anyone? On January 12 2016 18:11 sh1RoKen wrote: Yes, prism is better only if you get caught in an open space by air units. But look how much better medevac is in all other conditions above. That's not the only reason, no. When your prism is built, you can go ahead and fly it straight to the enemy's base, and between the infrastructure getting there and cost of the warp prism, you spent more minerals, but half the gas the Terran player had to. You don't even have to load it or have your units built ahead of time; you can just warp in once you arrive (inside or right outside the base, depending on opponent's vision). In fact, this is one of the many reasons that permit warp prism harass to come out as early as it does...you can make the trip across a large map before your units are even ready. Look, I realize MMM drops are incredibly strong, but the comparison between warp prism + adept and MMM drops was incredibly biased, only acknowledging the pros of one side and the cons of the other, making it sound like adept + warp prism drops were just so damn weak in comparison, you'd wonder why anyone would complain, right? It really takes a truly biased person to recognize the strength of the adept + warp prism combo and why people are complaining about it. | ||
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ssregitoss
Turkey241 Posts
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Jornada
United States223 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13991 Posts
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
On January 12 2016 23:40 SpecKROELLchen wrote: I do not want to take this into the balance discussion. But has anyone made histograms of the number of games won vs gamelength (two in one diagram for wins and loses)? I would be really interested in that. Very small sample size (and I'm not even sure where the games are taken from) but on starcraft tools or something, what I saw was terrans losing in TvP the longer the game goes, but winning in TvZ. It was only like 50 games or so. | ||
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MaxStout
United States12 Posts
On January 10 2016 23:13 spbelky wrote: Honestly, just add a delay to the activation of Photon Overcharge + make it 50 energy and then buff the duration by like 50%. Then slightly increase Warp Prisms build time or add a gas cost. It isn't so much that prism adepts are so OP... it's that Protoss is 100% safe during the PvT early game. Find me a single cheese vs Protoss that can win games, or a single early pressure build that even slightly threatens P... They don't exist. Spbelky called it! | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
100% why ppl like Flash and Fantasy retired exactly at that time. Seeing terran being completely inferior especially in lategame TvP for years they knew this isn't going to change in LOTV. You are expected to bring in results, but you cannot win against that balance. And if they change something, they do it so carefully you got to wait another half year to see if it even changed anything. However Taeja is a bit whiny here, I expect him to win anyways Funny though how long it takes blizzard to react. You could see some things that are clearly imba from day 1 of the beta. And I don't mean " I am a gold player and don't know how to stop this " imba, but clearly too strong for the cost and in some cases too early for the game. Like many pros always argued that the Oracle was too strong. Till the last days of HOTS some players complained. And what did Blizzard do. Nothing. These slow balance changes and waiting for the meta to evolve (into SCV pulls or whatever) to still hold up the 50% winrate Blizzard is so proud of is so tiring. I thought with SC2 we eventually get a game that is as balanced as BW was, but I guess we will never have that. | ||
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Rollora
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
I'm just smurfing in lower ranks on different regions, thats the game for me these days haha | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On January 13 2016 07:43 Psychobabas wrote: Just have to let the meta settle down guys... for the past 5 years... I'm just smurfing in lower ranks on different regions, thats the game for me these days haha I would say that I am quite a negative person towards Blizzard and partially towards Starcraft itself but this post and your signature kinda asks why you are still online here. | ||
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kungfuli109
United States27 Posts
Bomber Well, They can buff Adept more for real. I think it wouldn't be bad to add attack ability in Warp Prism as well. I'm serious. Isn't it ironic that bomber got 3-0 by adepts the other day. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On January 17 2016 19:10 kungfuli109 wrote: Isn't it ironic that bomber got 3-0 by adepts the other day. Wait, are you saying that Bomber was serious with that comment? Honestly not sure. I took it for granted that he was just being mad at sarcastic, at which point, no it wouldn't be very ironic imo. | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:54 Cascade wrote: I don't know, I think he's just a huge fan of adepts.Wait, are you saying that Bomber was serious with that comment? Honestly not sure. I took it for granted that he was just being mad at sarcastic, at which point, no it wouldn't be very ironic imo. https://twitter.com/Adept_Bomber | ||
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