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Hello, I'm Crank. I wanted to discuss with ppl in KR scene about latest Blizzard feedback post.
And I think It wouldn't be bad to make short Q/A post with them for you guys.
It's not all Korean's thought but it would be helpful for you guys to understand what some Korean ppl thinks about current LOTV.
What do you think about current balance? and What do you think about Adept since Blizzard won't nerf Adept for now.
Trap
I think we still need take time to judge entire balance but I do think Protoss is strong against Terran because of Warp Prism + Adept. If Warp Prism + Adept is not strong like this, Terran wouldn't be weak against Protoss.
I think they need to change ladder maps as soon as possible. It's not fair even in PvP. For example, in Ulrena, Ruins of seras, Protoss player who does Pylon Photon overcharge rush behind their mineral line takes always advantage. Especially Ruins of seras, it's 4 players map.
Since they don't plan to nerf Adept, they really need to change ladder map pool for every match up. It would help a lot.
Taeja
Terran is always weaker than other race at early time in current balance. Adept pressure is very strong but It becomes even stronger with Warp prism. Even if Protoss doesn't play Warp Prism + Adept, Protoss force Terran play defensively. I don't think it's fair. They need to fix this.
Korean scene has only 2 tournaments and they always take time to see balance in tournament and make plan to change balance. which means every 6 months they change balance. I'm so happy to imagine 6 month break since my first opponent is protoss in GSL.
HyuN
Even if I'm Zerg, Protoss is way too strong against Terran. If they don't nerf Adept, first 2016 GSL, SSL would be really unfair for players.
In PvZ, It was not good balanced in the past because of Lurker, but Protoss found a very smart way to play with Adept. Lurker is still strong but Protoss can be ahead in Economy so they can overcome lately.
Soulkey
Adept always makes Protoss ahead. I think they need to nerf Adept's cooldown. We can't hold Adept with Zerglings but if we make Roach, Adept is so fast so we still get damaged.
I also think Liberator is very strong in early TvZ. That's why even Terran pro interviewed themselves that balance is not 50:50 its T 70:30 Z.
Canata(SSL Korean Commentator)
P>T, T>Z, P>=Z. All caused by Adept. Adept is so strong so there is no many right time to make Zealot. I wanna ask what kinda Terran unit can kill Adept really well. Murauder? Marine? I also think Warp prism is insane. It takes only minerals. They need to nerf Warp Prism as well like adding gas or can't take unit from far. I think they need to nerf Adept's cool down or what I said about Warp Prism.
Bomber
Well, They can buff Adept more for real. I think it wouldn't be bad to add attack ability in Warp Prism as well. I'm serious.
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thanks CranK and lol @Bomber
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lmao Taeja and Bomber dropping the bombs
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France12906 Posts
The salt is still flowing in Bomber's blood
Edit: and yeah thanks CranK!
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The main problem is Warp Prism - it's a zero risk/cost strategy. You may as well build one because you willneed the offensive warp in later anyway.
Compare to a Medivac - it costs me gas, it carries a limited number of units, I have to fill it with units first. If I lose it early game then I am screwed. If I move out with it and Protoss attacks my base then I am screwed. When it hits the opponent I only have those units that are in it and can not reinforce. It unloads slowly. It has to be directly over the units it is picking up and thus in danger.
None of these disadvantages apply to the WP - Blizzard's design team can be retarded at times.
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I can't take those cherrypicked comments serious. Taeja has always been a notorious whiner, Soulkey is complaining about having to build a unit other than zerglings for the first 5 minutes, and Hyun is talking about a matchup he doesn't even play.
Trap got it right though, the maps are trash.
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On January 10 2016 21:05 myRZeth wrote:
I can't take those cherrypicked comments serious. Taeja has always been a notorious whiner, Soulkey is complaining about having to build a unit other than zerglings for the first 5 minutes, and Hyun is talking about a matchup he doesn't even play.
Trap got it right though, the maps are trash.
To be fair, that's not exactly what Soulkey is saying - he is saying that you need roaches vs adepts but that roaches are too slow to deal with the shade decently.
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This is a great initiative CranK! Adept WP combo is too strong Blizz, everyone agrees. Lol @Taeja and Bomber xD
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This btw is like the third or fourth interview with Koreans in a row stating Adepts is totally OP in TvP?
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Blizzard wont give a shit cause they need to keep holy 'map diversity' while their games never been perfect enough to remain balanced with a mixed diversified map pool.
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On January 10 2016 21:05 myRZeth wrote:
I can't take those cherrypicked comments serious. Taeja has always been a notorious whiner, Soulkey is complaining about having to build a unit other than zerglings for the first 5 minutes, and Hyun is talking about a matchup he doesn't even play.
Trap got it right though, the maps are trash.
I don't see why they are cherrypicked. CranK plays Random and I doubt he has some hidden agenda. Could be that he picked these guys and that they happen to dislike the current state of the Adept unit by coincidence, but be honest, who hasn't spoken against Adepts in the korean and foreign scene?
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On January 10 2016 21:26 Glorfindel! wrote:
This btw is like the third or fourth interview with Koreans in a row stating Adepts is totally OP in TvP?
Yes and it's coming from zergs, protoss, terrans and casters but for david everything is fine
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Lets not jump to quick conclusions but rather watch the adept more closely (anyone got a magnifying glass?) xD
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On January 10 2016 21:52 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 21:26 Glorfindel! wrote:
This btw is like the third or fourth interview with Koreans in a row stating Adepts is totally OP in TvP? Yes and it's coming from zergs, protoss, terrans and casters but for david everything is fine
Yeah - kind of.
Feels like a balance regarding this should be on top of their list. But what do I know. Lets wait a few more months and watch it closely.
For me as a Terran I just find TvP extremly boring since I am super afraid moving out of my base until I have a third secured and all air space checked before moving out.
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On January 10 2016 21:55 Glorfindel! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 21:52 sAsImre wrote:On January 10 2016 21:26 Glorfindel! wrote:
This btw is like the third or fourth interview with Koreans in a row stating Adepts is totally OP in TvP? Yes and it's coming from zergs, protoss, terrans and casters but for david everything is fine Yeah - kind of. Feels like a balance regarding this should be on top of their list.
The propositions from the Koreans are spot on imo, a shade nerf, a wp nerf, either cost or utility and some decent maps
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Thanks Crank!
I hope it doesn't take a year to act in fixing WP + adept like happened with BL+Infestor or Swarm hosts...
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