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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On January 10 2016 22:00 Musicus wrote: lol, Bomber is salty Who can blame him? He is trying to make as much money as he possible can on his job. He is playing Terran. All interviews from Korea is saying the same thing - WP and Adepts needs some kind of nerf for TvP. Still nothing happends - in the end damaging Bomber as a Terran player. I think after BL/Infestor-era, Terrans might feel the need to be a bit loud to not let history repeat itself. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On January 10 2016 22:02 Glorfindel! wrote: Who can blame him? He is trying to make as much money as he possible can on his job. He is playing Terran. All interviews from Korea is saying the same thing - WP and Adepts needs some kind of nerf for TvP. Still nothing happends - in the end damaging Bomber as a Terran player. I think after BL/Infestor-era, Terrans might feel the need to be a bit loud to not let history repeat itself. Yeah, I can completely understand him. Still very funny to read, thanks Crank btw! | ||
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Weltall
Italy83 Posts
On January 10 2016 21:05 myRZeth wrote: I can't take those cherrypicked comments serious. Taeja has always been a notorious whiner, Soulkey is complaining about having to build a unit other than zerglings for the first 5 minutes, and Hyun is talking about a matchup he doesn't even play. Trap got it right though, the maps are trash. ^ User was warned for this post | ||
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wjat
385 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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wjat
385 Posts
On January 10 2016 21:05 myRZeth wrote: I can't take those cherrypicked comments serious. Taeja has always been a notorious whiner, Soulkey is complaining about having to build a unit other than zerglings for the first 5 minutes, and Hyun is talking about a matchup he doesn't even play. Trap got it right though, the maps are trash. What is your race? and why is it protoss? what is your PvT records%? and why is it so high? Just kidding. Yes the map are trash, but still the adept warp prism need a nerf. | ||
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Blind Io
United Kingdom56 Posts
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todespolka
221 Posts
The units arent strong perse, they are strong in skilled hands and weak in others. Its very easy for blink stalkers or ravagers to take out liberators if terran positions them bad. Same is true for adepts. Bad players run into a trap with them and let them die. Its good that protoss has a strong early game harass again. A cooldown nerf would make the unit useless. If we need a change they should make the adept weaker vs marins while making the cooldown shorter. That way its only micro and positioning which decides the outcome of the game. For the midgame and lategame you can scale adepts back to its strength through upgrades (give them more +X attack per upgrade). Or give it an ability to trade shorter cooldown for strenght in mid and lategame. Also its fair that the warp prism stays strong. Protoss player sacrifice production for a warp prism. He is not able to produce immortals, disruptors and collossus. Terran on the other hand can produce two medivacs or two liberators at once with 1 starport and doesnt need the starport for anything else. Thats why warp prism needs to survive much longer than other units. Also 6 month balance cycles are very good for a game like sc2. Its not a moba which is predictable due to the limited options per match. In sc2 you can always chose every unit, every tech path on different maps in every match. The game has thanks variability a lot more possible outcomes which nobody can forsee. A small change can turn the game upside down which happened a few times in the history of sc2. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On January 10 2016 21:05 myRZeth wrote: I can't take those cherrypicked comments serious. Taeja has always been a notorious whiner, Soulkey is complaining about having to build a unit other than zerglings for the first 5 minutes, and Hyun is talking about a matchup he doesn't even play. Trap got it right though, the maps are trash. Adapt to the maps. If the races don't have the tools to deal with possibilities out of their control, be it maps, be it compositions, be it timings then the balance is trash. | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On January 10 2016 22:14 Blind Io wrote: TaeJa just came back, is only bothering with one of the two leagues and already planning a 6 month holiday. Quit playing games with my heart! It's not that he's only bothering with one league. It's more that he would have needed a Summer of TaeJa in Winter to qualify for both. | ||
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Sinistro
Brazil684 Posts
I liked the fact that Trap was the only one to comment about the maps, do we know anything about the plans for the next season? | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 10 2016 22:25 Sinistro wrote: Bomber and Taeja are both savages. But they havea point, pretty much like everyone else, WP+adepts still is pretty strong. I liked the fact that Trap was the only one to comment about the maps, do we know anything about the plans for the next season? Last update was that this map pool was good enough for WCS. Fitting to have a g7 on Central Protocol for the 1st season after having a g7 on Secret Spring during WCS 2015 s1. | ||
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todespolka
221 Posts
On January 10 2016 21:02 DeadByDawn wrote: The main problem is Warp Prism - it's a zero risk/cost strategy. You may as well build one because you willneed the offensive warp in later anyway. Compare to a Medivac - it costs me gas, it carries a limited number of units, I have to fill it with units first. If I lose it early game then I am screwed. If I move out with it and Protoss attacks my base then I am screwed. When it hits the opponent I only have those units that are in it and can not reinforce. It unloads slowly. It has to be directly over the units it is picking up and thus in danger. None of these disadvantages apply to the WP - Blizzard's design team can be retarded at times. Thats a very short minded comparision. It costs you gas but it gives adavantages which a warp prism doesnt. You can always save your units if you arent a bad player. Warp prism can just save a cargo of 4. You dont need more than 8 marins in your medivac because they have the ability to deal a lot of damage. Hell you could also cary just 2 widow mines which can destroy the whole mineralline in two seconds. If you focus on just the units yes medivac alone doesnt cut the cost compared to warp prism. But in the greater picture its worth the money just as the warp prism. Both drops have different playstile and give you a lot of different options. Thats good design! What you want is maybe a fairer game but its a boring game which is the same as bad design. | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On January 10 2016 22:15 todespolka wrote: Pro players should not balance the game. I know they have most experience but they dont seek a good game, they seek a fair game which is usually very predictable, easy to understand (hardcounter relations) and boring. Which may or may not be because they play this game for a living for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and get fucked when the game isn't fair. | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
WP costing only minerals is ridiculous, they need to change that. Adepts are obviously not balanced, everyone sees that(but DK) and Trap said probably most important thing - most maps are trash | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On January 10 2016 22:37 Cascade wrote: Soooo, are there any stats that actually backs this up? Aligulac TvP was ok in December, but how is TvP doing in all the korean tournaments games that's been played in January? All the untelevised qualifications as well. What is going on in TvP on the ladder in KR GM? The winrates being okay was pretty much solely based on the fact that Protoss has adepts and the fact that Korean qualifiers used pretty much only Orbital/Dusk/Ruins. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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