EPTNice read
brings back memories. Like to a time where I could watch korean sc more often 
Team League Special Part 1: All Kills and Coaches - Page 2
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
Nice read brings back memories. Like to a time where I could watch korean sc more often | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
On November 24 2015 12:04 thecrazymunchkin wrote: It's very harsh to mark Choya down for MVP's performances this year when he's had a markedly lower calibre of player to work with than either Ryu Won / Kim Min-Ki. In coaching SlayerS / Jin Air / KT, Ryu Won has overseen a ridiculous array of talent over the 5 or so years years, while as stu mentioned, that STX lineup is ridiculous in hindsight. Things are clicking for MVP - you can see the way that players have fired in bits and pieces over the course of the season, whether it's in one-off performances like DeParture, or the way some have had hot streaks at times (Panic / GuMiho / Losira / YongHwa). The easy way to look at it is to compare each player's performance with their showing last year, and in general they've all done better. Good points, I just personally feel that it's hard to distinguish good/decent results from previously lower level players as being good coaching or just a lucky break from the player himself. In my opinion, turning bad players into average ones is less impressive than average players into durable stars. For example, as the article mentions, I personally was impressed by SKT's oov developing Dream and Dark from pretty similarly average players into championship-level ones. Comparing team results, I just don't see MVP's results being much different from the team I'd call their closest in individual results, Samsung, and it's a little ironic for the article to say that his PL results last year were notable because he had the second weakest team talent wise when at the end of the day the final placement of MVP points-wise was....second to last. Basically, I do think choya's a good coach and a great guy to support, and in WoL was one of the great coaches, but I'll have to see more out of the current MVP lineup before calling his current results especially notable. | ||
munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On November 24 2015 13:30 jubil wrote: Good points, I just personally feel that it's hard to distinguish good/decent results from previously lower level players as being good coaching or just a lucky break from the player himself. In my opinion, turning bad players into average ones is less impressive than average players into durable stars. For example, as the article mentions, I personally was impressed by SKT's oov developing Dream and Dark from pretty similarly average players into championship-level ones. Comparing team results, I just don't see MVP's results being much different from the team I'd call their closest in individual results, Samsung, and it's a little ironic for the article to say that his PL results last year were notable because he had the second weakest team talent wise when at the end of the day the final placement of MVP points-wise was....second to last. Basically, I do think choya's a good coach and a great guy to support, and in WoL was one of the great coaches, but I'll have to see more out of the current MVP lineup before calling his current results especially notable. I think we agree mostly - MVP's main issue is that they never got everybody firing at once in PL, whether it was Losira + YongHwa carrying in R1 or GuMiho performing near the end. It is notable though that individually, both Losira and DeParture got championships at Asus ROG / Gfinity, however much you rate the competition on offer there, while GuMi and MarineKing (!) got silvers in the Blizzcon 2014 - 2015 period. I do agree that it's hard to tell how much the coaching is to do with success, but when pretty much everyone raised their standards this year compared to 2014, it's hard to say he's done a bad job. | ||
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swissman777
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Also Symbol's reverse all-kill will go down as one of the best nights of sc2 ever and that's coming from a massive IM fan. Losira was so close to just proceeding with the all-kill but Symbol just wouldn't die. Man I miss GSTL | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
He did not. He pulled off the improbable. The impossible, by definition, is not possible. It was perhaps "seemingly impossible". But not just impossible. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19351 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
On November 24 2015 21:14 [F_]aths wrote: "The then pulled off the impossible" He did not. He pulled off the improbable. The impossible, by definition, is not possible. It was perhaps "seemingly impossible". But not just impossible. Yeah that sounds way better | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On November 24 2015 21:44 lichter wrote: didn't he move to LoL china, not "retire" He did move to the eldorado yeah. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 24 2015 21:14 [F_]aths wrote: "The then pulled off the impossible" He did not. He pulled off the improbable. The impossible, by definition, is not possible. It was perhaps "seemingly impossible". But not just impossible. If it makes you feel better, put a figuratively or substitute the with what everyone thought was. It doesn't mean the literally impossible, it's a figure of speech  | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13996 Posts
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
EDIT: LOL I didn't even see your post Cricketer On November 24 2015 23:17 Cricketer12 wrote: I miss hyvaa | ||
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robson1
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rotta
5616 Posts
On November 24 2015 23:17 Cricketer12 wrote: I miss hyvaa Me too, hearing the casters talking about "hive-a" always made me smile. Come back to LotV! | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13996 Posts
On November 25 2015 04:15 Mistakes wrote: I miss Hyvaa. EDIT: LOL I didn't even see your post Cricketer Loool ive only seen this type of thing in Blizzcon threads. But those are 98% shitposts  | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
OK that's pretty friggin rad. | ||
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