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Korakys
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
New Zealand272 Posts
October 12 2015 12:45 GMT
#81
Try an experiment with Archon mode. For example in the third round make the middle match an Archon mode game (perhaps not for that round's play-offs though).

Also please consider incorporating the resources/supply/upgrades element of the GameHeart UI. The bigger numbers are much clearer to see on a low-res stream and the upgrade is really handy to have available all the time.
[image loading]

Other than that add some maps of your own choosing - like everyone is saying.

Proleague is the best tournament!
Swing away sOs, swing away.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 12:49:55
October 12 2015 12:48 GMT
#82
I am almost proud on TL how gerat feedback here is, everything has been basically said already many times:

- healthbars
- timer
- unusual maps

These would be the things I would be interested in. However even with no change, 2015 PL was pretty damn good, it was the first time I really cared abotu a team league in the 5 years of watching SC2. Really good job!
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Matt_SC
Profile Joined July 2015
2 Posts
October 12 2015 12:54 GMT
#83
On October 12 2015 21:45 Korakys wrote:
Try an experiment with Archon mode. For example in the third round make the middle match an Archon mode game (perhaps not for that round's play-offs though).

Also please consider incorporating the resources/supply/upgrades element of the GameHeart UI. The bigger numbers are much clearer to see on a low-res stream and the upgrade is really handy to have available all the time.
[image loading]

Other than that add some maps of your own choosing - like everyone is saying.

Proleague is the best tournament!


Oh god no! Keep it 1v1. The randomness archonmode and 2v2 would bring to proleague would be silly. Proleague is a 1v1 competition and it should stay that way.
Calt
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland1140 Posts
October 12 2015 12:59 GMT
#84
On October 12 2015 18:30 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
A minor suggestion - people keep mentioning the KeSPA Amateur leagues that are running, but they're never streamed / televised. How about taking the winners and putting them in a showmatch just before PL starts maybe once a month?

It would be nice to see more new talent playing, and I'm sure it'd be fun for them to play in front of a crowd


This would be really amazing and something I would totally watch. I love the Korean starcraft scene and would really like to see more amateur players as well!
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Blind Io
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom56 Posts
October 12 2015 13:08 GMT
#85
On October 12 2015 21:45 Muxtar wrote:
Please consider allowing foreign teams to participate in PL (ROOT, Liquid, Myinsanity etc). It will add more variability to PL roster. And do something with PRIME, their eternal loosiness is boring already

Rain would't be able to play for MYI because Kespa ruled that his Proleague rights still belong to SKT1 and SKT1 won't let him compete for another team.
TaeJa GOAT
bLUe_dWARf
Profile Joined April 2003
Croatia21 Posts
October 12 2015 13:13 GMT
#86
Can someone explain to me why in-game video isn't fullscreen?

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Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 13:14:19
October 12 2015 13:14 GMT
#87
On October 12 2015 21:54 Matt_SC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 21:45 Korakys wrote:
Try an experiment with Archon mode. For example in the third round make the middle match an Archon mode game (perhaps not for that round's play-offs though).

Also please consider incorporating the resources/supply/upgrades element of the GameHeart UI. The bigger numbers are much clearer to see on a low-res stream and the upgrade is really handy to have available all the time.
[image loading]

Other than that add some maps of your own choosing - like everyone is saying.

Proleague is the best tournament!


Oh god no! Keep it 1v1. The randomness archonmode and 2v2 would bring to proleague would be silly. Proleague is a 1v1 competition and it should stay that way.


How is archonmode any more or less random than regular 1v1? And Proleague is adamantly not a 1v1 competition, but a team vs team one. I'd say that trying to integrate archonmode into the format would fit perfectly well within Proleague's scope.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 13:22:31
October 12 2015 13:14 GMT
#88
On October 12 2015 22:08 Blind Io wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 21:45 Muxtar wrote:
Please consider allowing foreign teams to participate in PL (ROOT, Liquid, Myinsanity etc). It will add more variability to PL roster. And do something with PRIME, their eternal loosiness is boring already

Rain would't be able to play for MYI because Kespa ruled that his Proleague rights still belong to SKT1 and SKT1 won't let him compete for another team.


I'd really appreciate it if they found a way to remove this ridiculous rule.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 13:58:57
October 12 2015 13:58 GMT
#89
What i would want to see in the future season (and please assume everything not mentioned i DID like - SPL is amongst my absolute favourite e-sport events out there, in large part due to the free 1080p Azubu stream):

1. Bo7 format (requires deeper rosters, more players get playtime, less variance, more interesting overall)
2. Include weekends in the schedule - as a european it's nearly impossible for me to see any games live
3. More first person shots during games (especially during big fights, harassment etc.)

4. Upload VODs *asap* (since I can almost never watch games live due to time zone differences)
5. Include All-kill rounds (regular format is great, but some diversity in form of all-kill rounds would be welcome)
6. Play around with maps more (although if this meant you couldn't give away WCS points - don't do that)
7. Include archon mode in regular play (perhaps as an ace?)
8. More english filler content (the downtimes are huge for english speakers)
9. Bigger caster rotaion (if possible; guest casters from time to time?)
dehydrogenaza
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland122 Posts
October 12 2015 14:00 GMT
#90
1. New unique maps for Proleague.
2. Bo7 proleague format in regular matches, all-kill in playoffs.
3. Archon Mode in one of the games. <-- not really sure about this but it could be great if players would be willing to practice for it. IMHO Proleague would be the best place for Archon Mode of all the tournaments.
ZodaSoda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1191 Posts
October 12 2015 14:04 GMT
#91
Turn on Music for all games and sound balance it so casters are slightly louder, but the music can still be heard and in game set the Music to Starcraft 2 and Broodwar Music please
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Blind Io
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom56 Posts
October 12 2015 14:08 GMT
#92
On October 12 2015 22:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 22:08 Blind Io wrote:
On October 12 2015 21:45 Muxtar wrote:
Please consider allowing foreign teams to participate in PL (ROOT, Liquid, Myinsanity etc). It will add more variability to PL roster. And do something with PRIME, their eternal loosiness is boring already

Rain would't be able to play for MYI because Kespa ruled that his Proleague rights still belong to SKT1 and SKT1 won't let him compete for another team.


I'd really appreciate it if they found a way to remove this ridiculous rule.

That's the best thing Kespa/SpoTV could do for next season in my opinion. Sbenu could have made playoffs if Parting was allowed to play for them this year.
TaeJa GOAT
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 12 2015 14:09 GMT
#93
First, I think proleague is the best sc2 content out there right now! So even if it stays the way it is, i think that would be ok.
But obviously there are always ways to improve something, so here are my ideas:

1. Change the format to bo7. Most teams in the league should be ok with this and we would suddenly see players who didn't have the chance in the bo5 system. I also think it strengthens the idea of proleague as a team competition.
2. Don't use standard ladder maps! I really liked it when you guys had crazy maps in proleague, it was highly unique and it was fun to see the meta develop on said maps. Maybe add only 1-2 crazy ones, that would be already enough i think.
3. The next proleague season will use LOTV, so i feel one archon mode match in every series would be pretty interesting. Can you imagine the hype when Flash and TY play against soO and Dark? It would be awesome!

Other than that i am pretty much happy and wouldn't change anything
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Estancia
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)335 Posts
October 12 2015 14:10 GMT
#94
On October 12 2015 21:45 Muxtar wrote:
Please consider allowing foreign teams to participate in PL (ROOT, Liquid, Myinsanity etc). It will add more variability to PL roster. And do something with PRIME, their eternal loosiness is boring already


Well there are existing partnerships, and last time a foreigner team participated in PL (EG-TL), and even when their team was mostly Koreans, they got destroyed real hard. EG-TL pulled out of proleague after one season.

Furthermore foreign teams have no reason to participate in PL, the sponsors doesn't see the need to. I guess the best bet is to have foreigners join proleague once in a while as partnership, but whether they will be fielded is another completely separate question because foreigners will most likely lose their match unless they are fielded against B-Teamers, and no team would probably risk it.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
October 12 2015 14:11 GMT
#95
many good things have been said, i would just add : more extra content would be really cool, a bit like the SPL
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Ve5pa
Profile Joined December 2014
United Kingdom252 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 14:15:28
October 12 2015 14:12 GMT
#96
Pro league is the best Starcraft you can watch on a regular basis and I thank you all for this. Also it's great that you are asking for suggestions from fans. As someone who doesn't really play Starcraft anymore but still watches lot's of games avidly I am really glad to see Proleague is coming back next year!

1. More teams, i know this may be hard but having a wider variety of teams would be great.
2. More all kill format somehow, it's a lot more exciting.
3. I really enjoy the commentary team, please do not mess with this. DO NOT get Artosis or Tasteless. Leave them to do some GSL.
4. As lot's of people have said, more unique maps.
5. Allow/encourage more Kespa/Proleague players to travel more to EU and NA events.
6. Timer would be nice but I totally understand why you removed it.
7. Be a little more diligent when uploading the VOD's. Every noe and then one of the English games doesn't get uploaded, Grand Finals set 4 as an example. I use the Esports channel on youtube to watch them.

Keep up the great work and thanks for listening <3

Edit. Sound Equalising, sometimes on the English stream/VOD's the music is horribly loud, to the point where you can't hear commentators.

Edit 2. Kespa 5 year rule..... This is stoping a lot of players from performing in Proleague that the fans want to see. Again I understand why this rule is in place but perhaps make it 3 years so it is a little less harsh.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 14:18:31
October 12 2015 14:18 GMT
#97
On October 12 2015 23:10 Estancia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 21:45 Muxtar wrote:
Please consider allowing foreign teams to participate in PL (ROOT, Liquid, Myinsanity etc). It will add more variability to PL roster. And do something with PRIME, their eternal loosiness is boring already


Well there are existing partnerships, and last time a foreigner team participated in PL (EG-TL), and even when their team was mostly Koreans, they got destroyed real hard. EG-TL pulled out of proleague after one season.

Furthermore foreign teams have no reason to participate in PL, the sponsors doesn't see the need to. I guess the best bet is to have foreigners join proleague once in a while as partnership, but whether they will be fielded is another completely separate question because foreigners will most likely lose their match unless they are fielded against B-Teamers, and no team would probably risk it.

Problem with EG-TL is their players kept getting flown around to tournaments and stuff. HerO/Jaedong/Oz/aLive/Zenio/TaeJa made a solid team eventually but Jaedong or TaeJa or HerO would pop off to some foreign tournament and ruin their practice.

And let's not even talk about the foreigners @_@
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
October 12 2015 14:25 GMT
#98
I agree with what someone said about the quality of the team logos in the score board. They've been bugging me all season long.

I'd like to see some more map variation.

Other than that, Proleague is really good entertainment.
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chiasmus
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States134 Posts
October 12 2015 14:36 GMT
#99
Nothing to add that others haven't said, but my top wishes would be:

- Best of 7 series
- 1 game in archon mode in each series
- revoke the rule that keeps Rain, et al out of Proleague

Expanding the series and adding archon mode would have to mean expanding the rosters for a lot of teams, so maybe it's not feasible. But a guy can hope.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 12 2015 14:44 GMT
#100
It occured to me that so far we have been mostly thinking about "us". But are there other people that could be concivnced to watch Proleague? I am pretty sure everyone who goes to TL at least from time to time knows about PL and most of the people here watch it but I have honestly no idea if there are some more SC2 fans around just ignoring this great show.

So I think KeSPA should try to evaluate the possibilities and see if some marketing could bring in more foreigners to watch, because that would be in my opinion just good for the thing. Maybe even have some matches (round playoffs?) abroad on some big evetns to attract attention? Allow every team to employ a couple of "mercenaries" - players that are not on PL teams, but are popular in the foreign scene? I know how badly EG-TL went, though, so I don't know how good of an idea this is.

This thinking is based on my own experience - I have been missing out on PL for quite some time, because it was kinda in its own world, I did not know much about it, did not feel much interest in the PL teams etc... Now it's quite different because nowadays the set of players in PL is essentially identical with those in GSL/SSL - almost everyone relevant in Korea plays in PL now. But still, marketing is important I think.
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