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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 12 2015 17:07 GMT
#121
On October 13 2015 00:21 Rexeus wrote:
BO7 would be better. If not its the same players.

Finals should be 3 sets instead of 1?


They cant be more than 1 match because they do offline venues
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
TronJovolta
Profile Joined April 2013
United States323 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 17:08:36
October 12 2015 17:08 GMT
#122
On October 13 2015 02:06 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 02:02 TronJovolta wrote:
On October 13 2015 01:52 Orr wrote:
Thank you for being open to hearing our thoughts and suggestions Chuddinater.
Proleague (from the BW era till present) has and always will be the greatest and most exciting team league in the world!

Things that will make next PL season even better:

1. Get a viable 8th team (Prime)
-I understand the history and significance of this once great team. Time moves on and if you don't adapt, you get consumed. It's been an embarrassment the last 2 seasons (especially this time) that one team is so clearly inferior compared to all others. When you have the English broadcast crew jokingly calling Prime 'the bonus round' every week, it cheapens the integrity of the entire PL.

If the 8th team isn't massively overhauled and significantly improved with an influx of new resources/signings/partnership with another viable foreign team in addition to proper coaching/training, I'd rather there just be 7 total teams despite the obvious scheduling difficulties. Seeing a team lack the basic tools/manpower to compete at the highest level required, really cheapens the whole allure and mystique of PL.

2. Improved English casting
-I give Wolf, Valdes, and Moonglade props for their passion. But their preparation is seriously lacking. It's understandable to not remember everything off the top with the large amount of various games/tournaments they are constantly covering. But having a job means coming prepared every single day to do it to the best of your ability. It's embarrassing and frustrating to hear them frequently forget some analogous game or match they are referring to while trying to remember. Often one that just happened a week or two ago, that even I can recall off the top of my head. Not knowing all the specific players/teams as they start broadcasting a match is quite unprofessional and demonstrates a general lack of preparedness. Either encourage them all to do a lot more prep work before each broadcast or else find casters who are willing to put in the research needed.

Their constant early game unrelated tangents about caster predictions, food, other video games, or previous life experiences are annoying and make them appear more like general fans than actual professional broadcasters. No one cares about what you ate or where you went the previous night. Stick to talking about the game and players/teams involved. The fact that they don't, points to a lack of preparedness and underlying PL knowledge on their part.

3. Bo7 regular season format
-this is critical in giving more players (especially unproven ones) opportunities/exposure and would ensure that cultivating team depth actually matters. It would make for a greatly improved viewing experience to constantly see new players emerge and new play-styles/strategies flourish. Watching the same players every single week in the current Bo5 (e.g. herO/Byul/Bbyong, Maru/sOs/Rogue, Zest/Flash/Stats/Life gets tiresome and predictable.

4. More fan-friendly side segements for foreign viewers (w/ english translations)
-e.g. 10q&a, ceremonies, player interviews, more footage of team training house daily life, random funny/quirky stuff, (basically just give players a chance to show viewers their actual personality outside of the controlled booth environment)

5. Show more FPV during games
-this has been an annoyance of mine since BW PL days. And I understand that KESPA is reluctant to show the FPV to the broadcast audience during games to maintain a competitive advantage for the players involved. But showing a bit more, especially during key battles would be way more exciting and should help further viewer interest. When you get to see their actual view in real-time, the true degree of their skill and speed becomes apparent even to the uninformed watcher. Seeing longer extended clips during key game moments would make viewing infinitely more exciting.

Thank you for listening to my suggestions and can't wait till next year. Long live Proleague!



Wow, this is spot on. I agree with everything.

I just have to add, I agree about the English casting. I won't be as negative as I have in the past, but I truly believe these guys could improve vastly. Moonglade is very close minded about how he views the game, and thinks what he knows is the be all end all ( at least that's how it comes off to me every cast ). Valdez is a pretty poor speaker grammatically, as well as phonetically. He is just annoying to listen to for me, and also has nothing to add. Just agrees or repeats what Wolf and Moonglade say. Now, Wolf is very good at his job, I just feel when he's paired with people who don't take it seriously, he tends to do the same. I like Wolf a lot though, overall. And I agree with your points Orr, the non-Starcraft stuff they talk about is completely boring and annoying, and overall, their attempts to be funny flounder completely. It's just strange how unprofessional on the whole this trio comes off during casts. This is my biggest complaint about PL.

I also totally agree about picking up a worthy 8th team, SOMEHOW. Prime matches were basically a waste of everyone's time, spectators included.

And, more FPV would be saweet.


I hope you like listening to dead silence then, cause that's what you're gonna get.



Really? cause there's a slew of casters doing it right. Artosis, Apollo, Rotti, etc.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 12 2015 17:16 GMT
#123
Are you lying on purpose? Tastosis is known for their early game conversations about non-starcraft things. Rotterdam talks all game about things that have nothing to do with the game. All he does is tell stories while his partner does analysis. Apollo hasn't casted regularly in the better part of a year.
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Celepharn
Profile Joined July 2015
Mexico60 Posts
October 12 2015 17:24 GMT
#124
I loved this SPL season, but what I'd love to see is, as some other people, more player interviews wich help to know them better (10Q&10A for example).

English subs for the videos you guys made (Valdes and Wolf translate for us sometimes tho) would be great.

Also would love to see some showmatches, for example bo5 terran vs protoss and with the archon mode addition why no archon showmatch as well?

Anyway the production was extremely good and also you guys upload the vods to YouTube very fast which helps some of us who are sleeping when SPL is live to catch up. I'm very sad tho that there is so few people following SPL, it deserves a bigger following.

I love marine, so cheap, I like.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 17:35:02
October 12 2015 17:33 GMT
#125
On October 13 2015 01:52 Orr wrote:

2. Improved English casting
-I give Wolf, Valdes, and Moonglade props for their passion. But their preparation is seriously lacking. It's understandable to not remember everything off the top with the large amount of various games/tournaments they are constantly covering. But having a job means coming prepared every single day to do it to the best of your ability. It's embarrassing and frustrating to hear them frequently forget some analogous game or match they are referring to while trying to remember. Often one that just happened a week or two ago, that even I can recall off the top of my head. Not knowing all the specific players/teams as they start broadcasting a match is quite unprofessional and demonstrates a general lack of preparedness. Either encourage them all to do a lot more prep work before each broadcast or else find casters who are willing to put in the research needed.


To counteract this:

These three casters are excellent and do a supremely professional job. they're AWESOME. tell them to keep it up

they're very good at talking about the game, the players, at providing a comfortable atmosphere

the comment i quoted makes no sense to me and i have never, ever found them unprofessional
maru lover forever
otzowski
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany26 Posts
October 12 2015 17:45 GMT
#126
it is very unfortunate that the skill difference between the teams is way to strong! look at SKT1 vs Prime in comparasion which was a so boring line up because no
possibility for Prime to even win a bo1 don't care which player was nominated for SKT1. Actually the finals how way to strong SKT1 is compared to the rest of the
teams which lead to uninteresting games from SKT1 all seasons long. There has to be a rule that guarantee more excitement between all 8 teams and not just between
like 6 teams as for example in NHL or NBA with a drafting system where first draw goes to the weekest game of previous season so to close the gap at least a little.
above that it is such a nice product of entertainment with music for the players, big show and so on just games could possibly take much longer (like a fast 3:0) but
this reflects my already mentioned criticism above. (at least bo7 for whole season instead of bo5 would be awesome as others suggested. at least if equal teams)
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
October 12 2015 17:55 GMT
#127
Love the production and the easily accessed VODs. I'd love to be able to buy team jerseys and stuff but I realize that isn't very viable. FPV was nice and I'd like to see that if possible, even just a little. BO7 would rock but not expecting to see it.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
TronJovolta
Profile Joined April 2013
United States323 Posts
October 12 2015 17:58 GMT
#128
On October 13 2015 02:16 LongShot27 wrote:
Are you lying on purpose? Tastosis is known for their early game conversations about non-starcraft things. Rotterdam talks all game about things that have nothing to do with the game. All he does is tell stories while his partner does analysis. Apollo hasn't casted regularly in the better part of a year.


I'm not saying a caster can't talk about random shit in the early game. They way Tastosis does it can get a little annoying as well. I'm just saying, the PL's caster banter in particular is not good. Plain as that. But all those guys I mentioned bring another level of understanding of the game and analysis that PL guys don't often do, as well as simply being more likable. We get a little from MG & Wolf, but it's just not the same. Apollo not casting currently isn't relevant. He's one of the best to ever do it, and we need more like him.

Just my opinion. They asked for it.
TronJovolta
Profile Joined April 2013
United States323 Posts
October 12 2015 18:01 GMT
#129
An observation I find interesting. Large majority of people I've seen that advocate the PL English Trio seem to be European.
BriMikon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States82 Posts
October 12 2015 18:10 GMT
#130
I would appreciate the VODS on your YouTube channel to be posted as one collective video per match instead of separated sets of games. Thank you!
"...if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomed at the foundations of the Earth." -Tolkien
Fatz
Profile Joined December 2013
United States5 Posts
October 12 2015 18:10 GMT
#131
1.) Let Parting play in proleague! Review your rules about players switching teams and being able to play in proleague. It really sucks having one of the favorite players not being able to play in proleague.

2.) Prime getting stomped on was not particularly fun to watch. I think it was discouraging to all the fans. I think it was even more discouraging to the prime team as a whole, which we pretty much saw crumble, and the players playing worse as the year went on.
otzowski
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany26 Posts
October 12 2015 18:31 GMT
#132
it would be also nice to play the final in a bo3 with at least two best of 7 like in semi- and quarterfinal before so all kill format additonally!
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 12 2015 18:37 GMT
#133
On October 13 2015 03:10 Fatz wrote:
1.) Let Parting play in proleague! Review your rules about players switching teams and being able to play in proleague. It really sucks having one of the favorite players not being able to play in proleague.

2.) Prime getting stomped on was not particularly fun to watch. I think it was discouraging to all the fans. I think it was even more discouraging to the prime team as a whole, which we pretty much saw crumble, and the players playing worse as the year went on.


Let Parting play, but only on Prime. History be damned.
Ayuka_ggnet
Profile Joined February 2015
Russian Federation8 Posts
October 12 2015 18:44 GMT
#134
Please make a scheduled rebroadcast because Korean timezone is a bit inconvinient. But don't make it like GSL, their rebroadcast seems so random and spontaneous, please make one with distinct and clear schedule.

How about allowing smaller streamers to rebroadcast Proleague? It can mess up statistics but could bring in more audience as well because 1) non-english speaking people, 2) people who don't like current commentators 3) broadcasting time/schedule. It shouldn't be frivolous but maybe giving out accreditations, like Ogaming :D.

Thanks for the countless hours of entertainment!
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
October 12 2015 18:58 GMT
#135
I love the production, Korean castors, and HD Korean streams & VODs. Most of all, I love watching Kespa elephants destroy everyone.

I love proleague. Thank you.
CuttyVu
Profile Joined January 2013
Czech Republic28 Posts
October 12 2015 19:13 GMT
#136
I would love to see a caster swap: ocassionally a Korean caster would swap with an English caster, so we could see a difference between a Korean and foreign mindset about Starcraft.

BO7's would be great, but if time doesn't allow it, then maybe we could have an extended ace match: when the score is 2-2, there will be 3 ace matches instead of a single one.


Thank you SPOTV!
str10_hurts
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands12 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 19:40:18
October 12 2015 19:40 GMT
#137
I don't know if this has been posted but:

Ace match - Archon mode

I would go through the roof!
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 12 2015 19:46 GMT
#138
On October 13 2015 04:40 str10_hurts wrote:
I don't know if this has been posted but:

Ace match - Archon mode

I would go through the roof!


that would be awful
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Antonidas
Profile Joined August 2014
United States105 Posts
October 12 2015 19:47 GMT
#139
I want to be able to purchase pins that the player's wear. For example, hEro has the blink pin and Zest has the muscle man.

A larger prize pool would be nice.

More opportunities for foreign players to participate as well.

More in game polls that are visible.

Less talking about non-game related matters; although I imagine this will decrease because there is less down time in LoTV.

as long as there is Starcraft, life is good *insert propaganda here*
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
October 12 2015 19:49 GMT
#140
I doubt many people care, but I'd really like a comeback of the team-based decals we had in the 2014 season.
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