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https://www.facebook.com/RichardLewisReports/posts/497074853750891
Not too sure of how relevant this is to Starcraft anymore, it's been ages since I've had time to watch any SC2 tournaments in Europe.
I will miss the man as a content creator and a reporter, however. 
Taken from his facebook:
Greetings friends,
A few days ago I handed my notice of resignation into The Daily Dot and stated my intention to leave their editorial team. It’s not a decision I have taken lightly as my time with The Daily Dot has been incredible. I’ve got to work alongside some of the finest young journalists in our industry, as well as help play a part in their development. The work our section has put out is, in my opinion, unprecedented in the e-sports space.
A special thanks must go out to Kevin Morris who is hands down the best boss I’ve ever had. At my age it was great to work under someone that could still help me improve as a writer and a reporter. In addition he has been a great friend and has always supported me as well as my work.
As many of you who have followed my work will know I’ve wanted to make changes for some time but have always felt obligated to continue working because of the type of work I do. This past eighteen months though I have felt it quite acutely that I have been trapped into a cycle of misery. The process was always the same. Write, publish, listen to the denials from the subject and then try absorb the abuse from sections of the readership. I will miss the team but I won’t miss that awful sense of trepidation I would feel every time I submitted a piece to my editor.
The situation with the Reddit content ban has also been a factor. The Daily Dot stood by me but ultimately it had a huge impact on my work and working environment. I had to pass on important stories because there was a chance they may not be seen by the people who need to read them. Joint reports ran the risk of getting my fellow journalists tarred with the same brush. Important stories pertaining to League of Legends that I have written have gone unnoticed, something which only benefits the people in the wrong.
I definitely could have handled myself better when interacting with abusive people. It was a tough year, dealing with the suicide of my best friend, which took place while I attended an e-sports event. At that point the criticism I received felt like an even bigger slap in the face and holding back became increasingly difficult. No excuses but I’ve never claimed to be better than anyone else, nor have any desire to be held to a higher standard.
What the future will hold I can’t say right now. I am currently in America enjoying a working holiday and I am sure an opportunity will present itself. Until then I shall continue to put out my content for my Patreon supporters and try and enjoy a much needed break, for as long as it lasts.
Thanks to all the people who have supported me and my work, as well as The Daily Dot.
Richard
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Feel sorry for him losing his friend like that. Must have been really tough to handle.
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Gonna miss his work on dailydot
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Good old richard lewis. The man that showed that Riot was being dirty paying people all over the esports community to destroy and hide the other games. I've also been disappointed that so many players play league when they went to such great lengths to hide problems from the community. Riot's NDA's pay moderators to hide the pay-2-win comments in their threads. Also, that Riot deleted any comments or even somewhat negative posts on reddit build the image that everything but league is a dead game. Going to be interesting if anyone else picks up his flag. Great work Richard, we'll miss you.
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Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO
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Hopefully this means more content on his youtube channel. I watch every vid he posts. Keep up the amazing work Richard!
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On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO
They are the best thing that happened to csgo. I can't understand why people keep talking about them like that.
Also, Richard mentionned that he was thinking about quitting his job to lead/create the player's union in csgo, something the players really need in order to stop being fucked over by everyone in the business. That guy is a hero.
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On September 04 2015 21:34 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO They are the best thing that happened to csgo. I can't understand why people keep talking about them like that. Also, Richard mentionned that he was thinking about quitting his job to lead/create the player's union in csgo, something the players really need in order to stop being fucked over by everyone in the business. That guy is a hero.
Because they talk shit and can't take shit, plain and simple.
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On September 04 2015 22:02 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 21:34 Roggay wrote:On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO They are the best thing that happened to csgo. I can't understand why people keep talking about them like that. Also, Richard mentionned that he was thinking about quitting his job to lead/create the player's union in csgo, something the players really need in order to stop being fucked over by everyone in the business. That guy is a hero. Because they talk shit and can't take shit, plain and simple.
yup
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On September 04 2015 22:02 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 21:34 Roggay wrote:On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO They are the best thing that happened to csgo. I can't understand why people keep talking about them like that. Also, Richard mentionned that he was thinking about quitting his job to lead/create the player's union in csgo, something the players really need in order to stop being fucked over by everyone in the business. That guy is a hero. Because they talk shit and can't take shit, plain and simple.
They may talk shit but they do, or at least Richard does, valuable journalism that benefits the community. And he has every right to be angry when idiots like the reddit mods impede him from doing his job and when ignorant fools talk shit about him doing his job properly.
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On September 04 2015 22:31 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 22:02 LongShot27 wrote:On September 04 2015 21:34 Roggay wrote:On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO They are the best thing that happened to csgo. I can't understand why people keep talking about them like that. Also, Richard mentionned that he was thinking about quitting his job to lead/create the player's union in csgo, something the players really need in order to stop being fucked over by everyone in the business. That guy is a hero. Because they talk shit and can't take shit, plain and simple. They may talk shit but they do, or at least Richard does, valuable journalism that benefits the community. And he has every right to be angry when idiots like the reddit mods impede him from doing his job and when ignorant fools talk shit about him doing his job properly.
"Journalism is the business of lies."
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So I guess we're never getting that matchfixing/"Suspicious sponsors" article then?
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I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway.
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On September 04 2015 23:08 showstealer1829 wrote:
So I guess we're never getting that matchfixing/"Suspicious sponsors" article then?
Or the NASL article
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On September 04 2015 22:31 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 22:02 LongShot27 wrote:On September 04 2015 21:34 Roggay wrote:On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO They are the best thing that happened to csgo. I can't understand why people keep talking about them like that. Also, Richard mentionned that he was thinking about quitting his job to lead/create the player's union in csgo, something the players really need in order to stop being fucked over by everyone in the business. That guy is a hero. Because they talk shit and can't take shit, plain and simple. They may talk shit but they do, or at least Richard does, valuable journalism that benefits the community. And he has every right to be angry when idiots like the reddit mods impede him from doing his job and when ignorant fools talk shit about him doing his job properly.
I second this. Even if you don't like his attitude or whatever, he did actually achieve results with his writing that benefited the community.
I guess some people rather want to be ostriches..
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SO.......... what was the content that got him banned from Reddit?
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He's definitely going to go for that ESPN eSports editor position.
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On September 05 2015 00:03 vult wrote:
He's definitely going to go for that ESPN eSports editor position.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but im going to bite anyway.
Richard absolutely hates corporate stuff, so there is no way he would ever work for ESPN.
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On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway.
Richard Lewis is a "real trained journalist".
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It sort of proves his point that there are people even in this community willing to talk down about him as he struggles to find his place in the current landscape of esports. The man has done real journalism exposing issues in LoL and CS:GO and yet fans of the games detest him for it. Hilarious.
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On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway.
He has a degree. Please educate yourself.
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On September 05 2015 00:50 yamato77 wrote:
It sort of proves his point that there are people even in this community willing to talk down about him as he struggles to find his place in the current landscape of esports. The man has done real journalism exposing issues in LoL and CS:GO and yet fans of the games detest him for it. Hilarious.
Yea he even wrote an open letter to valve denouncing the unfair treatement (undefinite bans) for the players banned in the match fixing scandal. The same players that spat on him for so long when he was trying to collect all the proofs about them fixing the match.
Yes he handles his twitter terribly and he does not deal with criticisms well, BUT you can't deny the fact that he is very passionnate about esport and has done a TON for the games he follows (admittedly I don't follow LoL, but I can vouch for cs).
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I commend him for doing a lot for e-sports, but I feel that the way he does it at times isn't completely professional. He outright insults a lot of parties which I don't think is something a proper news agency should do.
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On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself.
It's a lot easier to get a degree in journalism than it is to be a good journalist. I haven't read a ton of his articles -- I think only three -- but all that I've read could be more clear and concise and contained poor reasoning. I think journalism is a field with very high standards but not the pay or job security to match and esports journalism has got to be even worse. Richard Lewis's work, to me, is like a well written forum post but rates as poor work for a professional journalist. Much of his audience only ever reads video game forums or writing with even lower standards than that so his work is the best work that they ever see. And he's often taking the side of the people, or taking up an argument that is righteous or will stir up controversy, which gains him popularity but does not mean his work is high quality.
I have to guess that his mental health issues and the pressures and circumstances of the job must take their toll on his performance. Maybe his best work is quite good and in the right circumstances he could keep the quality of his work high. But from the sample I've seen, the quality of his work does not meet the standards that I look for from journalism. Can you imagine if I was the best SC2 player of the last five years? Because everyone better than me didn't play SC2? That's how I see it.
But like The_Masked_Shrimp said, best of luck to him anyway. And if he did more good than bad, then that's better than nothing. Maybe it's my own personal failing as a reader that I can't get past his style of writing and reasoning to enjoy the good in his work.
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Started watching him on unfiltered and since then I watch his YT quite often, even though the last time I played a game not sc2 was over a year. I love his content. Not only very entertaining, but you can rest assured, no bullshit. It's nice to keep up with the other e-sports. The last few weeks he seems to be going ROGUE. I just hope he doesn't burn too many bridges. Living off Patreon doesn't seem as reliable to me as a salaried job, but maybe I'm wrong.
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On September 05 2015 01:53 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. It's a lot easier to get a degree in journalism than it is to be a good journalist. I haven't read a ton of his articles -- I think only three -- but all that I've read could be more clear and concise and contained poor reasoning. I think journalism is a field with very high standards but not the pay or job security to match and esports journalism has got to be even worse. Richard Lewis's work, to me, is like a well written forum post but rates as poor work for a professional journalist. Much of his audience only ever reads video game forums or writing with even lower standards than that so his work is the best work that they ever see. And he's often taking the side of the people, or taking up an argument that is righteous or will stir up controversy, which gains him popularity but does not mean his work is high quality. I have to guess that his mental health issues and the pressures and circumstances of the job must take their toll on his performance. Maybe his best work is quite good and in the right circumstances he could keep the quality of his work high. But from the sample I've seen, the quality of his work does not meet the standards that I look for from journalism. Can you imagine if I was the best SC2 player of the last five years? Because everyone better than me didn't play SC2? That's how I see it. But like The_Masked_Shrimp said, best of luck to him anyway. And if he did more good than bad, then that's better than nothing. Maybe it's my own personal failing as a reader that I can't get past his style of writing and reasoning to enjoy the good in his work.
Don't think that's entirely fair - I read a lot of the supposedly better German press like the faz, sz, spiegel and so on and while it may be not en par it still doesn't read much different from the average column or opinion piece around here and I definitely believe that having critical work like his is better than just going with the circle jerk.
I still consider him a goddamn hypocrite in many regards but a lot of his work seemed fine to me.
On September 04 2015 22:31 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 22:02 LongShot27 wrote:On September 04 2015 21:34 Roggay wrote:On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO They are the best thing that happened to csgo. I can't understand why people keep talking about them like that. Also, Richard mentionned that he was thinking about quitting his job to lead/create the player's union in csgo, something the players really need in order to stop being fucked over by everyone in the business. That guy is a hero. Because they talk shit and can't take shit, plain and simple. They may talk shit but they do, or at least Richard does, valuable journalism that benefits the community. And he has every right to be angry when idiots like the reddit mods impede him from doing his job and when ignorant fools talk shit about him doing his job properly.
don't know if someone who belittles people with different opinions than his on a regular basis does have that right.
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On September 04 2015 22:39 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 22:31 Destructicon wrote:On September 04 2015 22:02 LongShot27 wrote:On September 04 2015 21:34 Roggay wrote:On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO They are the best thing that happened to csgo. I can't understand why people keep talking about them like that. Also, Richard mentionned that he was thinking about quitting his job to lead/create the player's union in csgo, something the players really need in order to stop being fucked over by everyone in the business. That guy is a hero. Because they talk shit and can't take shit, plain and simple. They may talk shit but they do, or at least Richard does, valuable journalism that benefits the community. And he has every right to be angry when idiots like the reddit mods impede him from doing his job and when ignorant fools talk shit about him doing his job properly. "Journalism is the business of lies."
All white man are racist, all women are feminist and all germans are facist.
So yes im sure all journalist are liars aswell.
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On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself.
So what.
I have a masters in astrophysics. This doesn't make me a scientist until I produce peer reviewed valuable research. I also have some friends that went through the same process but each time barely passing and they really hardly know anything about physics, yet they have a degree. Pretty much the same can be done out of any formation and it's not because you are out of a journalist school that you are a journalist.
Richard bases most of his work on hear-say and e-dramas and produces content comparable to celebrity tabloids like Closer; oh wait Closer is probably full of "real trained journalists" in your mind, because obviously they have a degree in journalism (do they?).
Present me 10 videos of acknowledged journalists of official channels that post videos of themselves posting opinion based videos in which they literally tell people what to think and make several statement without any sources to be linked.
I am not a hater on his work though, it's good that people like him are trying to create some kind of journalism for e-sports; it's just not there yet, there is still quite a road ahead for it to be comparable to professional journalism; starting with not insulting everyone you don't agree with, and presenting facts without judgement in order not to bias the audience.
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On September 05 2015 03:25 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. So what. I have a masters in astrophysics. This doesn't make me a scientist until I produce peer reviewed valuable research. I also have some friends that went through the same process but each time barely passing and they really hardly know anything about physics, yet they have a degree. Pretty much the same can be done out of any formation and it's not because you are out of a journalist school that you are a journalist. Richard bases most of his work on hear-say and e-dramas and produces content comparable to celebrity tabloids like Closer; oh wait Closer is probably full of "real trained journalists" in your mind, because obviously they have a degree in journalism (do they?). Present me 10 videos of acknowledged journalists of official channels that post videos of themselves posting opinion based videos in which they literally tell people what to think and make several statement without any sources to be linked. I am not a hater on his work though, it's good that people like him are trying to create some kind of journalism for e-sports; it's just not there yet, there is still quite a road ahead for it to be comparable to professional journalism; starting with not insulting everyone you don't agree with, and presenting facts without judgement.
You don't need a degree to be a scientist. Anyone can be a scientist.
I'm not going to blindly support RL, but the claims you are making seem outrageous. Which articles specifically were based on hearsay? Did it end up being true? Comparing his stuff to the tabloids makes you sound like a hater. A lot of what you call "E-drama" is relevant to the scene.
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On September 05 2015 03:44 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 03:25 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. So what. I have a masters in astrophysics. This doesn't make me a scientist until I produce peer reviewed valuable research. I also have some friends that went through the same process but each time barely passing and they really hardly know anything about physics, yet they have a degree. Pretty much the same can be done out of any formation and it's not because you are out of a journalist school that you are a journalist. Richard bases most of his work on hear-say and e-dramas and produces content comparable to celebrity tabloids like Closer; oh wait Closer is probably full of "real trained journalists" in your mind, because obviously they have a degree in journalism (do they?). Present me 10 videos of acknowledged journalists of official channels that post videos of themselves posting opinion based videos in which they literally tell people what to think and make several statement without any sources to be linked. I am not a hater on his work though, it's good that people like him are trying to create some kind of journalism for e-sports; it's just not there yet, there is still quite a road ahead for it to be comparable to professional journalism; starting with not insulting everyone you don't agree with, and presenting facts without judgement. You don't need a degree to be a scientist. Anyone can be a scientist.
That's one of the most delusional things I have seen in a while. You don't need to be a scientist to do science I'd give you that. Some people became self-taught scientists but eventually you have to get peer-reviewed and be acknowledged.
It's like the amateur observers of space. They make really good work sometimes and discover new bodies, produce excellent images and some people are often seen commenting that they are even faster or better than professionals.
They are not.
Maybe that crushes your dreams and hopes towards anyone being able to do anything with a bit of will but that is how it is. An amateur can produce good work rather fast because they don't need to be peer-reviewed. In science discoveries need to be double checked, tested, and then again by a different team and that process takes time (usually several months, if you get lucky).
And I don't hate tabloid, they are what they are and often assume it completely. They exist to feed to curiosity of people about their favourite celebrity, I don't think anyone working there expects a pulitzer.
If you want examples you can check any of the "Trash Talk" videos of Richard (it's the actual title of the videos). He is more like a satirical journal if you don't like me comparing him to tabloids, except there are not those nice and funny caricature drawings to make up for the nonsense of the content.
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On September 05 2015 03:58 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 03:44 TRaFFiC wrote:On September 05 2015 03:25 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. So what. I have a masters in astrophysics. This doesn't make me a scientist until I produce peer reviewed valuable research. I also have some friends that went through the same process but each time barely passing and they really hardly know anything about physics, yet they have a degree. Pretty much the same can be done out of any formation and it's not because you are out of a journalist school that you are a journalist. Richard bases most of his work on hear-say and e-dramas and produces content comparable to celebrity tabloids like Closer; oh wait Closer is probably full of "real trained journalists" in your mind, because obviously they have a degree in journalism (do they?). Present me 10 videos of acknowledged journalists of official channels that post videos of themselves posting opinion based videos in which they literally tell people what to think and make several statement without any sources to be linked. I am not a hater on his work though, it's good that people like him are trying to create some kind of journalism for e-sports; it's just not there yet, there is still quite a road ahead for it to be comparable to professional journalism; starting with not insulting everyone you don't agree with, and presenting facts without judgement. You don't need a degree to be a scientist. Anyone can be a scientist. That's one of the most delusional things I have seen in a while. You don't need to be a scientist to do science I'd give you that. Some people became self-taught scientists but eventually you have to get peer-reviewed and be acknowledged. It's like the amateur observers of space. They make really good work sometimes and discover new bodies, produce excellent images and some people are often seen commenting that they are even faster or better than professionals. They are not. Maybe that crushes your dreams and hopes towards anyone being able to do anything with a bit of will but that is how it is. An amateur can produce good work rather fast because they don't need to be peer-reviewed. In science discoveries need to be double checked, tested, and then again by a different team and that process takes time (usually several months, if you get lucky).
Stating the obvious there. Of course, having a degree is the best way to go about doing pretty much anything. But if you are a brilliant scientist, a degree won't stop you from being successful. I see no rebuttal regarding your comments about RL's articles. You really shouldn't tarnish someone's reputation without backing it up. This would be shitty journalism!
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On September 05 2015 04:06 TRaFFiC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 03:58 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 03:44 TRaFFiC wrote:On September 05 2015 03:25 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. So what. I have a masters in astrophysics. This doesn't make me a scientist until I produce peer reviewed valuable research. I also have some friends that went through the same process but each time barely passing and they really hardly know anything about physics, yet they have a degree. Pretty much the same can be done out of any formation and it's not because you are out of a journalist school that you are a journalist. Richard bases most of his work on hear-say and e-dramas and produces content comparable to celebrity tabloids like Closer; oh wait Closer is probably full of "real trained journalists" in your mind, because obviously they have a degree in journalism (do they?). Present me 10 videos of acknowledged journalists of official channels that post videos of themselves posting opinion based videos in which they literally tell people what to think and make several statement without any sources to be linked. I am not a hater on his work though, it's good that people like him are trying to create some kind of journalism for e-sports; it's just not there yet, there is still quite a road ahead for it to be comparable to professional journalism; starting with not insulting everyone you don't agree with, and presenting facts without judgement. You don't need a degree to be a scientist. Anyone can be a scientist. That's one of the most delusional things I have seen in a while. You don't need to be a scientist to do science I'd give you that. Some people became self-taught scientists but eventually you have to get peer-reviewed and be acknowledged. It's like the amateur observers of space. They make really good work sometimes and discover new bodies, produce excellent images and some people are often seen commenting that they are even faster or better than professionals. They are not. Maybe that crushes your dreams and hopes towards anyone being able to do anything with a bit of will but that is how it is. An amateur can produce good work rather fast because they don't need to be peer-reviewed. In science discoveries need to be double checked, tested, and then again by a different team and that process takes time (usually several months, if you get lucky). Stating the obvious there. Of course, having a degree is the best way to go about doing pretty much anything. But if you are a brilliant scientist, a degree won't stop you from being successful. I see no rebuttal regarding your comments about RL's articles. You really shouldn't tarnish someone's reputation without backing it up. This would be shitty journalism!
With the notable difference that I never pretended to be a journalist myself, so it's OK if I suck at presenting info.
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On September 05 2015 04:08 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 04:06 TRaFFiC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 03:58 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 03:44 TRaFFiC wrote:On September 05 2015 03:25 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. So what. I have a masters in astrophysics. This doesn't make me a scientist until I produce peer reviewed valuable research. I also have some friends that went through the same process but each time barely passing and they really hardly know anything about physics, yet they have a degree. Pretty much the same can be done out of any formation and it's not because you are out of a journalist school that you are a journalist. Richard bases most of his work on hear-say and e-dramas and produces content comparable to celebrity tabloids like Closer; oh wait Closer is probably full of "real trained journalists" in your mind, because obviously they have a degree in journalism (do they?). Present me 10 videos of acknowledged journalists of official channels that post videos of themselves posting opinion based videos in which they literally tell people what to think and make several statement without any sources to be linked. I am not a hater on his work though, it's good that people like him are trying to create some kind of journalism for e-sports; it's just not there yet, there is still quite a road ahead for it to be comparable to professional journalism; starting with not insulting everyone you don't agree with, and presenting facts without judgement. You don't need a degree to be a scientist. Anyone can be a scientist. That's one of the most delusional things I have seen in a while. You don't need to be a scientist to do science I'd give you that. Some people became self-taught scientists but eventually you have to get peer-reviewed and be acknowledged. It's like the amateur observers of space. They make really good work sometimes and discover new bodies, produce excellent images and some people are often seen commenting that they are even faster or better than professionals. They are not. Maybe that crushes your dreams and hopes towards anyone being able to do anything with a bit of will but that is how it is. An amateur can produce good work rather fast because they don't need to be peer-reviewed. In science discoveries need to be double checked, tested, and then again by a different team and that process takes time (usually several months, if you get lucky). Stating the obvious there. Of course, having a degree is the best way to go about doing pretty much anything. But if you are a brilliant scientist, a degree won't stop you from being successful. I see no rebuttal regarding your comments about RL's articles. You really shouldn't tarnish someone's reputation without backing it up. This would be shitty journalism! With the notable difference that I never pretended to be a journalist myself, so it's OK if I suck at presenting info.
Random. Who is pretending to be a journalist? Are you insinuating RL is a pretend journalist? lol
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No I am not insinuating anything. I am pretty blunt most of the time so if you feel like i'm trying to imply something in between lines there is probably a misunderstanding. I am saying RL doesn't meet the standards of objectivity you can see in the "usual" channels of information and thus doesn't appear to me as a "professional" journalist. I put "" because obviously if he is making a living from it he is a professional by definition. But there is also an etiquette attached to journalism which he is lacking I think. At the same time that's just my opinion, nothing to get overly concerned about.
And what I just said is just true. I am no journalist. So none should really care if I don't relay information like a professional would.
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His dissenting opinions were like a breath of fresh air.
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I mean...yeh we are tl and we ate objective geniuses who know all about journalism,science , women , make 6 figures and still have 300apm...but this is a guy who is passionate about esports and he has gone through a really traumatic time it seems to me
Going to give him my support and wish him all the best rather than debate his journalism credentials In a dispassionate way.
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This thread is such a mess already (':
Best of luck to RL, not necessarily a fan of his work but well.
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so is he getting a real job finally
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Whenever I see this headline it makes me think he died, lol. "Richard lewis has ... "
On topic, he was writing some good articles. I wouldn't compare him to Thorin.
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On September 05 2015 02:56 Whoranzone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 01:53 NonY wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. It's a lot easier to get a degree in journalism than it is to be a good journalist. I haven't read a ton of his articles -- I think only three -- but all that I've read could be more clear and concise and contained poor reasoning. I think journalism is a field with very high standards but not the pay or job security to match and esports journalism has got to be even worse. Richard Lewis's work, to me, is like a well written forum post but rates as poor work for a professional journalist. Much of his audience only ever reads video game forums or writing with even lower standards than that so his work is the best work that they ever see. And he's often taking the side of the people, or taking up an argument that is righteous or will stir up controversy, which gains him popularity but does not mean his work is high quality. I have to guess that his mental health issues and the pressures and circumstances of the job must take their toll on his performance. Maybe his best work is quite good and in the right circumstances he could keep the quality of his work high. But from the sample I've seen, the quality of his work does not meet the standards that I look for from journalism. Can you imagine if I was the best SC2 player of the last five years? Because everyone better than me didn't play SC2? That's how I see it. But like The_Masked_Shrimp said, best of luck to him anyway. And if he did more good than bad, then that's better than nothing. Maybe it's my own personal failing as a reader that I can't get past his style of writing and reasoning to enjoy the good in his work. Don't think that's entirely fair - I read a lot of the supposedly better German press like the faz, sz, spiegel and so on and while it may be not en par it still doesn't read much different from the average column or opinion piece around here and I definitely believe that having critical work like his is better than just going with the circle jerk. I still consider him a goddamn hypocrite in many regards but a lot of his work seemed fine to me.
I don't understand how it's unfair for me to give my opinion. But what really confuses me is that you proceed to follow my example and do a similar analysis as I did after you questioned if what I did was fair. Are you being critical of the way I went about the topic or not? Are you purposely being unfair too or purposely being a hypocrite or just accidentally doing one of those? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Maybe a parody of Lewis? haha
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On September 05 2015 09:27 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 02:56 Whoranzone wrote:On September 05 2015 01:53 NonY wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. It's a lot easier to get a degree in journalism than it is to be a good journalist. I haven't read a ton of his articles -- I think only three -- but all that I've read could be more clear and concise and contained poor reasoning. I think journalism is a field with very high standards but not the pay or job security to match and esports journalism has got to be even worse. Richard Lewis's work, to me, is like a well written forum post but rates as poor work for a professional journalist. Much of his audience only ever reads video game forums or writing with even lower standards than that so his work is the best work that they ever see. And he's often taking the side of the people, or taking up an argument that is righteous or will stir up controversy, which gains him popularity but does not mean his work is high quality. I have to guess that his mental health issues and the pressures and circumstances of the job must take their toll on his performance. Maybe his best work is quite good and in the right circumstances he could keep the quality of his work high. But from the sample I've seen, the quality of his work does not meet the standards that I look for from journalism. Can you imagine if I was the best SC2 player of the last five years? Because everyone better than me didn't play SC2? That's how I see it. But like The_Masked_Shrimp said, best of luck to him anyway. And if he did more good than bad, then that's better than nothing. Maybe it's my own personal failing as a reader that I can't get past his style of writing and reasoning to enjoy the good in his work. Don't think that's entirely fair - I read a lot of the supposedly better German press like the faz, sz, spiegel and so on and while it may be not en par it still doesn't read much different from the average column or opinion piece around here and I definitely believe that having critical work like his is better than just going with the circle jerk. I still consider him a goddamn hypocrite in many regards but a lot of his work seemed fine to me. I don't understand how it's unfair for me to give my opinion. But what really confuses me is that you proceed to follow my example and do a similar analysis as I did after you questioned if what I did was fair. Are you being critical of the way I went about the topic or not? Are you purposely being unfair too or purposely being a hypocrite or just accidentally doing one of those? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Maybe a parody of Lewis? haha
Oh come on, he obviously meant your opinion "wasn't entirely fair". You're the one who's purposely misinterpreting his opinion ("I don't think that's entirely fair..") and making it into something outrageous. Who's " purposely being unfair too or purposely being a hypocrite or just accidentally doing one of those?" now? You even got a little name calling in there. This is just ridiculous.
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Most degrees (almost all of them) have very little meaning. It's what you do with it afterwards what counts. So knock Journalism degrees all you want. Doesn't change shit-- it's no different than a philosophy degree.
In either case, I wish R.L. good luck.
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On September 06 2015 21:44 StarStruck wrote:
Most degrees (almost all of them) have very little meaning. It's what you do with it afterwards what counts. So knock Journalism degrees all you want. Doesn't change shit-- it's no different than a philosophy degree.
In either case, I wish R.L. good luck.
For sure that's why the average degree level student earns 12,000 pounds more a year than someone without it.
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On September 06 2015 22:49 Ovid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 21:44 StarStruck wrote:
Most degrees (almost all of them) have very little meaning. It's what you do with it afterwards what counts. So knock Journalism degrees all you want. Doesn't change shit-- it's no different than a philosophy degree.
In either case, I wish R.L. good luck. For sure that's why the average degree level student earns 12,000 pounds more a year than someone without it.
l-o-l. I think you missed the point. You can go to McDonalds and pretty much buy a degree; as long as you have the money. It's pretty fucking easy and even then people with degrees have a hard time finding jobs. Not only that, many of them don't even end up working in their field; hence, a degree is a degree and until you give it meaning it has none. What you do with it is entirely different. Some people go to grad school and look how we coin it around here. A pimple. No matter how much you know about your thesis. It's very small in comparison to the reality of everything else.
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On September 04 2015 22:39 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 22:31 Destructicon wrote:On September 04 2015 22:02 LongShot27 wrote:On September 04 2015 21:34 Roggay wrote:On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO They are the best thing that happened to csgo. I can't understand why people keep talking about them like that. Also, Richard mentionned that he was thinking about quitting his job to lead/create the player's union in csgo, something the players really need in order to stop being fucked over by everyone in the business. That guy is a hero. Because they talk shit and can't take shit, plain and simple. They may talk shit but they do, or at least Richard does, valuable journalism that benefits the community. And he has every right to be angry when idiots like the reddit mods impede him from doing his job and when ignorant fools talk shit about him doing his job properly. "Journalism is the business of lies."
Journalism is supposed to act as an informational source so people understand why stuff in a society happen, and this is important because anything from a state to a moderating forum would love to frame themselves in the most positive light, so as to not be an object one cannot trust. True journalism will, like Richard Lewis has done multiple times (as well as others), add more information so one can make a real opinion. During discussions, him and Thooorin do react fiercely, but their content is usually good.
If you can't see that, it's pretty sad. Biased journalism can spin the truth, but I don't really feel a lot of bias from their part. They have criticized everyone and highlighted good parts about every community, more or less.
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On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO
"They dish out punishment left and right" And I here thought it was LoL and CSGO n00bs that hate them for doing a good job, but apprently BW players can be as n00b.
It's funny how many people shit on Thorin and Richard Lewis for showing us what the eSports scene is actually like. We can't live in fantasy forever.
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On September 05 2015 01:53 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. It's a lot easier to get a degree in journalism than it is to be a good journalist. I haven't read a ton of his articles -- I think only three -- but all that I've read could be more clear and concise and contained poor reasoning. I think journalism is a field with very high standards but not the pay or job security to match and esports journalism has got to be even worse. Richard Lewis's work, to me, is like a well written forum post but rates as poor work for a professional journalist. Much of his audience only ever reads video game forums or writing with even lower standards than that so his work is the best work that they ever see. And he's often taking the side of the people, or taking up an argument that is righteous or will stir up controversy, which gains him popularity but does not mean his work is high quality. I have to guess that his mental health issues and the pressures and circumstances of the job must take their toll on his performance. Maybe his best work is quite good and in the right circumstances he could keep the quality of his work high. But from the sample I've seen, the quality of his work does not meet the standards that I look for from journalism. Can you imagine if I was the best SC2 player of the last five years? Because everyone better than me didn't play SC2? That's how I see it. But like The_Masked_Shrimp said, best of luck to him anyway. And if he did more good than bad, then that's better than nothing. Maybe it's my own personal failing as a reader that I can't get past his style of writing and reasoning to enjoy the good in his work.
I doubt you'd be saying a progamer was never good if this was a send-off post for a progamer. Your post smells a bit like esports revenge against RL.
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On September 07 2015 01:28 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 01:53 NonY wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. It's a lot easier to get a degree in journalism than it is to be a good journalist. I haven't read a ton of his articles -- I think only three -- but all that I've read could be more clear and concise and contained poor reasoning. I think journalism is a field with very high standards but not the pay or job security to match and esports journalism has got to be even worse. Richard Lewis's work, to me, is like a well written forum post but rates as poor work for a professional journalist. Much of his audience only ever reads video game forums or writing with even lower standards than that so his work is the best work that they ever see. And he's often taking the side of the people, or taking up an argument that is righteous or will stir up controversy, which gains him popularity but does not mean his work is high quality. I have to guess that his mental health issues and the pressures and circumstances of the job must take their toll on his performance. Maybe his best work is quite good and in the right circumstances he could keep the quality of his work high. But from the sample I've seen, the quality of his work does not meet the standards that I look for from journalism. Can you imagine if I was the best SC2 player of the last five years? Because everyone better than me didn't play SC2? That's how I see it. But like The_Masked_Shrimp said, best of luck to him anyway. And if he did more good than bad, then that's better than nothing. Maybe it's my own personal failing as a reader that I can't get past his style of writing and reasoning to enjoy the good in his work. I doubt you'd be saying a progamer was never good if this was a send-off post for a progamer. Your post smells a bit like esports revenge against RL.
Pfft, we do that all the time
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On September 06 2015 17:49 helvete wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:27 NonY wrote:On September 05 2015 02:56 Whoranzone wrote:On September 05 2015 01:53 NonY wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. It's a lot easier to get a degree in journalism than it is to be a good journalist. I haven't read a ton of his articles -- I think only three -- but all that I've read could be more clear and concise and contained poor reasoning. I think journalism is a field with very high standards but not the pay or job security to match and esports journalism has got to be even worse. Richard Lewis's work, to me, is like a well written forum post but rates as poor work for a professional journalist. Much of his audience only ever reads video game forums or writing with even lower standards than that so his work is the best work that they ever see. And he's often taking the side of the people, or taking up an argument that is righteous or will stir up controversy, which gains him popularity but does not mean his work is high quality. I have to guess that his mental health issues and the pressures and circumstances of the job must take their toll on his performance. Maybe his best work is quite good and in the right circumstances he could keep the quality of his work high. But from the sample I've seen, the quality of his work does not meet the standards that I look for from journalism. Can you imagine if I was the best SC2 player of the last five years? Because everyone better than me didn't play SC2? That's how I see it. But like The_Masked_Shrimp said, best of luck to him anyway. And if he did more good than bad, then that's better than nothing. Maybe it's my own personal failing as a reader that I can't get past his style of writing and reasoning to enjoy the good in his work. Don't think that's entirely fair - I read a lot of the supposedly better German press like the faz, sz, spiegel and so on and while it may be not en par it still doesn't read much different from the average column or opinion piece around here and I definitely believe that having critical work like his is better than just going with the circle jerk. I still consider him a goddamn hypocrite in many regards but a lot of his work seemed fine to me. I don't understand how it's unfair for me to give my opinion. But what really confuses me is that you proceed to follow my example and do a similar analysis as I did after you questioned if what I did was fair. Are you being critical of the way I went about the topic or not? Are you purposely being unfair too or purposely being a hypocrite or just accidentally doing one of those? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Maybe a parody of Lewis? haha Oh come on, he obviously meant your opinion "wasn't entirely fair". You're the one who's purposely misinterpreting his opinion ("I don't think that's entirely fair..") and making it into something outrageous. Who's " purposely being unfair too or purposely being a hypocrite or just accidentally doing one of those?" now? You even got a little name calling in there. This is just ridiculous.
I honestly have no idea what you're getting at either. Opinions aren't attempts at being fair. Either you present evidence and interpret it competently, which is fair, or you take a shortcut and just give an opinion or judgment, which isn't demonstrating fairness (though it could be a fair judgment and you just haven't bothered to prove it). I read some of Lewis's work. I read other kinds of writing. I judged Lewis's writing to be of lower quality. He did the same process and judged Lewis's work to be about the same quality. But what I did wasn't fair and what he did was fair? I think neither of us are demonstrating fairness but he brings up fairness like some kind of rhetorical device. And because he's being positive and I'm being negative it may seem like I've done something wrong when in fact we did the same thing.
In fact you'll get an UNFAIR representation of opinions when people self-censor because their ENTIRELY FAIR judgment turned out to be negative and they don't want to be negative. If anything, I'm the one balancing the scales because I'm willing to be viewed as a bad guy when my analysis ends in something negative. It is UNFAIR that the guy saying negative things is pressured into justifying opinions with more work than the people saying positive things have to show.
These are the exact kind of issues that Lewis understands poorly so I'm not surprised that supporters of Lewis would brazenly show their ignorance, just like him. And no, that wasn't a fair thing to say.
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On September 07 2015 00:04 hoby2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO "They dish out punishment left and right" And I here thought it was LoL and CSGO n00bs that hate them for doing a good job, but apprently BW players can be as n00b. It's funny how many people shit on Thorin and Richard Lewis for showing us what the eSports scene is actually like. We can't live in fantasy forever.
I never played Brood War ... But if anything the fact that guys like these can stay in the industry tells us a lot about the quality we, the public, have come to expect : shitty, insulting, slurs-filled drama.
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On September 05 2015 03:44 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 03:25 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. So what. I have a masters in astrophysics. This doesn't make me a scientist until I produce peer reviewed valuable research. I also have some friends that went through the same process but each time barely passing and they really hardly know anything about physics, yet they have a degree. Pretty much the same can be done out of any formation and it's not because you are out of a journalist school that you are a journalist. Richard bases most of his work on hear-say and e-dramas and produces content comparable to celebrity tabloids like Closer; oh wait Closer is probably full of "real trained journalists" in your mind, because obviously they have a degree in journalism (do they?). Present me 10 videos of acknowledged journalists of official channels that post videos of themselves posting opinion based videos in which they literally tell people what to think and make several statement without any sources to be linked. I am not a hater on his work though, it's good that people like him are trying to create some kind of journalism for e-sports; it's just not there yet, there is still quite a road ahead for it to be comparable to professional journalism; starting with not insulting everyone you don't agree with, and presenting facts without judgement. You don't need a degree to be a scientist. Anyone can be a scientist. I'm not going to blindly support RL, but the claims you are making seem outrageous. Which articles specifically were based on hearsay? Did it end up being true? Comparing his stuff to the tabloids makes you sound like a hater. A lot of what you call "E-drama" is relevant to the scene.
Please name 1 brilliant scientist from the past 50 years who doesn't have a degree.
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Was Thorin doing shit way back then? Because I sure as hell don't remember him. I heard R.L. was doing other stuff. Not Thorin.
On the Summoner's Insight with Monte and Thorin. They made a good point: just start doing stuff. If you get getting feedback on what you're doing and then content gets views then you're well on your way.
So many bitter people. You people give them views and responses. Ofc they're going to stick around. ._.
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On September 05 2015 09:27 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 02:56 Whoranzone wrote:On September 05 2015 01:53 NonY wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. It's a lot easier to get a degree in journalism than it is to be a good journalist. I haven't read a ton of his articles -- I think only three -- but all that I've read could be more clear and concise and contained poor reasoning. I think journalism is a field with very high standards but not the pay or job security to match and esports journalism has got to be even worse. Richard Lewis's work, to me, is like a well written forum post but rates as poor work for a professional journalist. Much of his audience only ever reads video game forums or writing with even lower standards than that so his work is the best work that they ever see. And he's often taking the side of the people, or taking up an argument that is righteous or will stir up controversy, which gains him popularity but does not mean his work is high quality. I have to guess that his mental health issues and the pressures and circumstances of the job must take their toll on his performance. Maybe his best work is quite good and in the right circumstances he could keep the quality of his work high. But from the sample I've seen, the quality of his work does not meet the standards that I look for from journalism. Can you imagine if I was the best SC2 player of the last five years? Because everyone better than me didn't play SC2? That's how I see it. But like The_Masked_Shrimp said, best of luck to him anyway. And if he did more good than bad, then that's better than nothing. Maybe it's my own personal failing as a reader that I can't get past his style of writing and reasoning to enjoy the good in his work. Don't think that's entirely fair - I read a lot of the supposedly better German press like the faz, sz, spiegel and so on and while it may be not en par it still doesn't read much different from the average column or opinion piece around here and I definitely believe that having critical work like his is better than just going with the circle jerk. I still consider him a goddamn hypocrite in many regards but a lot of his work seemed fine to me. I don't understand how it's unfair for me to give my opinion. But what really confuses me is that you proceed to follow my example and do a similar analysis as I did after you questioned if what I did was fair. Are you being critical of the way I went about the topic or not? Are you purposely being unfair too or purposely being a hypocrite or just accidentally doing one of those? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Maybe a parody of Lewis? haha
Well I don't really feel our posts are too similar as we obviously have different opinions on the quality of his articles as I find there is quite a margin between it being maybe not exactly en par and simply poor.
If there isn't that's my bad I suppose and I should have been more clear since I don't perceive a majority of his articles to be poor or bad but again overall not really that different from online publications and columns in our established media over here and I am not referring to tabloids but I admit maybe I am just lacking the linguistic capabilities to grasp the very notable difference there. Just to get this out of the way I am not claiming he's producing only Pulitzer worthy content but to simply put the general notion poor below his work appears unfair to me especially based on the claim that the general standard of journalism obviously excluding trash like tabloids would be vastly superior.
Having an opinion though obviously is perfectly fine though I just didn’t agree with it.
Likewise my comment about him being a hypocrite wasn't really aimed at his work but what some posts on the first page already hinted at but I don't believe that's the right place to go into detail in that regard. Absolute impartiality might be a desirable trait but picking sides, having a personal opinion or bias isn't at all limited to esport publications.
Well not that this argument matters but since I missed to wish good luck anyways…
On September 07 2015 05:38 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 00:04 hoby2000 wrote:On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO "They dish out punishment left and right" And I here thought it was LoL and CSGO n00bs that hate them for doing a good job, but apprently BW players can be as n00b. It's funny how many people shit on Thorin and Richard Lewis for showing us what the eSports scene is actually like. We can't live in fantasy forever. I never played Brood War ... But if anything the fact that guys like these can stay in the industry tells us a lot about the quality we, the public, have come to expect : shitty, insulting, slurs-filled drama.
the notion that something like thorin's reflections series is just shitty, insulting, slurs-filled drama especially as opposed to "quality" interviews conducted by other organizations gave me actually a mild chuckle.
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the notion that something like thorin's reflections series is just shitty, insulting, slurs-filled drama especially as opposed to "quality" interviews conducted by other organizations gave me actually a mild chuckle.
You can't expect people to actually know anything before opening their mouth, that is just unreasonable. They feel very strongly and that is enough regardless of reality.
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unfortunate that richard had to to miss the latest crusade against riot opportunity. spectatefaker such injustice
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Regardless of how you feel about the man, a lot of stories are just not going to breakable to various communities after this and "e-journalists" in general that value their livelihood will tread a lot more carefully. Some important people will be clicking their heels over this I think.
I mean, he didn't do Murdoch-phonetapping investigative stuff, but at least people with things to say that they knew would reflect badly on the people with power knew they could go to him and, through him, others.
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On September 07 2015 03:43 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 17:49 helvete wrote:On September 05 2015 09:27 NonY wrote:On September 05 2015 02:56 Whoranzone wrote:On September 05 2015 01:53 NonY wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. It's a lot easier to get a degree in journalism than it is to be a good journalist. I haven't read a ton of his articles -- I think only three -- but all that I've read could be more clear and concise and contained poor reasoning. I think journalism is a field with very high standards but not the pay or job security to match and esports journalism has got to be even worse. Richard Lewis's work, to me, is like a well written forum post but rates as poor work for a professional journalist. Much of his audience only ever reads video game forums or writing with even lower standards than that so his work is the best work that they ever see. And he's often taking the side of the people, or taking up an argument that is righteous or will stir up controversy, which gains him popularity but does not mean his work is high quality. I have to guess that his mental health issues and the pressures and circumstances of the job must take their toll on his performance. Maybe his best work is quite good and in the right circumstances he could keep the quality of his work high. But from the sample I've seen, the quality of his work does not meet the standards that I look for from journalism. Can you imagine if I was the best SC2 player of the last five years? Because everyone better than me didn't play SC2? That's how I see it. But like The_Masked_Shrimp said, best of luck to him anyway. And if he did more good than bad, then that's better than nothing. Maybe it's my own personal failing as a reader that I can't get past his style of writing and reasoning to enjoy the good in his work. Don't think that's entirely fair - I read a lot of the supposedly better German press like the faz, sz, spiegel and so on and while it may be not en par it still doesn't read much different from the average column or opinion piece around here and I definitely believe that having critical work like his is better than just going with the circle jerk. I still consider him a goddamn hypocrite in many regards but a lot of his work seemed fine to me. I don't understand how it's unfair for me to give my opinion. But what really confuses me is that you proceed to follow my example and do a similar analysis as I did after you questioned if what I did was fair. Are you being critical of the way I went about the topic or not? Are you purposely being unfair too or purposely being a hypocrite or just accidentally doing one of those? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Maybe a parody of Lewis? haha Oh come on, he obviously meant your opinion "wasn't entirely fair". You're the one who's purposely misinterpreting his opinion ("I don't think that's entirely fair..") and making it into something outrageous. Who's " purposely being unfair too or purposely being a hypocrite or just accidentally doing one of those?" now? You even got a little name calling in there. This is just ridiculous. I honestly have no idea what you're getting at either. Opinions aren't attempts at being fair. Either you present evidence and interpret it competently, which is fair, or you take a shortcut and just give an opinion or judgment, which isn't demonstrating fairness (though it could be a fair judgment and you just haven't bothered to prove it). I read some of Lewis's work. I read other kinds of writing. I judged Lewis's writing to be of lower quality. He did the same process and judged Lewis's work to be about the same quality. But what I did wasn't fair and what he did was fair? I think neither of us are demonstrating fairness but he brings up fairness like some kind of rhetorical device. And because he's being positive and I'm being negative it may seem like I've done something wrong when in fact we did the same thing. In fact you'll get an UNFAIR representation of opinions when people self-censor because their ENTIRELY FAIR judgment turned out to be negative and they don't want to be negative. If anything, I'm the one balancing the scales because I'm willing to be viewed as a bad guy when my analysis ends in something negative. It is UNFAIR that the guy saying negative things is pressured into justifying opinions with more work than the people saying positive things have to show. These are the exact kind of issues that Lewis understands poorly so I'm not surprised that supporters of Lewis would brazenly show their ignorance, just like him. And no, that wasn't a fair thing to say.
Nony's posts always impress the heck out of me. How smart are you dood?
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I wish both parties the best of luck!
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On September 07 2015 07:06 Whoranzone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:38 Otolia wrote:On September 07 2015 00:04 hoby2000 wrote:On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO "They dish out punishment left and right" And I here thought it was LoL and CSGO n00bs that hate them for doing a good job, but apprently BW players can be as n00b. It's funny how many people shit on Thorin and Richard Lewis for showing us what the eSports scene is actually like. We can't live in fantasy forever. I never played Brood War ... But if anything the fact that guys like these can stay in the industry tells us a lot about the quality we, the public, have come to expect : shitty, insulting, slurs-filled drama. the notion that something like thorin's reflections series is just shitty, insulting, slurs-filled drama especially as opposed to "quality" interviews conducted by other organizations gave me actually a mild chuckle.
It is cherry season again ? Thank god they at least try to do their job ! However the toxicity they foster far outweighs the production they have.
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On September 05 2015 01:53 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. Can you imagine if I was the best SC2 player of the last five years?
no
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On September 07 2015 06:58 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 03:44 TRaFFiC wrote:On September 05 2015 03:25 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. So what. I have a masters in astrophysics. This doesn't make me a scientist until I produce peer reviewed valuable research. I also have some friends that went through the same process but each time barely passing and they really hardly know anything about physics, yet they have a degree. Pretty much the same can be done out of any formation and it's not because you are out of a journalist school that you are a journalist. Richard bases most of his work on hear-say and e-dramas and produces content comparable to celebrity tabloids like Closer; oh wait Closer is probably full of "real trained journalists" in your mind, because obviously they have a degree in journalism (do they?). Present me 10 videos of acknowledged journalists of official channels that post videos of themselves posting opinion based videos in which they literally tell people what to think and make several statement without any sources to be linked. I am not a hater on his work though, it's good that people like him are trying to create some kind of journalism for e-sports; it's just not there yet, there is still quite a road ahead for it to be comparable to professional journalism; starting with not insulting everyone you don't agree with, and presenting facts without judgement. You don't need a degree to be a scientist. Anyone can be a scientist. I'm not going to blindly support RL, but the claims you are making seem outrageous. Which articles specifically were based on hearsay? Did it end up being true? Comparing his stuff to the tabloids makes you sound like a hater. A lot of what you call "E-drama" is relevant to the scene. Please name 1 brilliant scientist from the past 50 years who doesn't have a degree.
I can do much better than that, though you'd probably deny their "greatness." As it turns out most of these guys start off without a degree, but end up getting several degrees anyway after they become famous/successful.
There are plenty of talented people in the world who don't need formal schooling to come up with incredible stuff.
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Whatever happened to "anybody can be a scientist"?
How quickly Traffic does a U turn lol.
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On September 08 2015 20:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Whatever happened to "anybody can be a scientist"?
How quickly Traffic does a U turn lol.
I just did some science just now. I put a fruit fly trap with just vinegar and they ate it right up without dying. So I altered my experiment, added dish soap to the vinegar and this allowed them to drown and die. So yeah, anyone can be a scientist.
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On September 08 2015 21:36 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 20:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Whatever happened to "anybody can be a scientist"?
How quickly Traffic does a U turn lol. I just did some science just now. I put a fruit fly trap with just vinegar and they ate it right up without dying. So I altered my experiment, added dish soap to the vinegar and this allowed them to drown and die. So yeah, anyone can be a scientist.
What you mean to say is that anyone can be a scientist AND a 4th grader. Kudos, you've proven that true at the very least 
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On September 07 2015 20:49 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 07:06 Whoranzone wrote:On September 07 2015 05:38 Otolia wrote:On September 07 2015 00:04 hoby2000 wrote:On September 04 2015 19:49 Otolia wrote:
Never liked him or Thorin for that matter. They both dish out punishment left and right but whine like little bitches whenever someone retaliates.
I'm glad they both moved on from SC2, though I still have to suffer their idiosyncrasies in CS:GO "They dish out punishment left and right" And I here thought it was LoL and CSGO n00bs that hate them for doing a good job, but apprently BW players can be as n00b. It's funny how many people shit on Thorin and Richard Lewis for showing us what the eSports scene is actually like. We can't live in fantasy forever. I never played Brood War ... But if anything the fact that guys like these can stay in the industry tells us a lot about the quality we, the public, have come to expect : shitty, insulting, slurs-filled drama. the notion that something like thorin's reflections series is just shitty, insulting, slurs-filled drama especially as opposed to "quality" interviews conducted by other organizations gave me actually a mild chuckle. It is cherry season again ? Thank god they at least try to do their job ! However the toxicity they foster far outweighs the production they have.
That cherry season where I suppose your twitter and youtube comment section conduct outweighs everything else ?
I guess I lack the twitter/twitch/dankmeme/youtubecomments/whatever affinity to see it that way. At the end of the day I don't really think it's important that given their personalities they'd likely not end being the best buddies of yours or mine for that matter but that toxicity comment there of yours seems just an exaggeration. But then again I remember some broken baguette incident maybe that was a bit hard to swallow.
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On September 08 2015 21:36 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 20:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Whatever happened to "anybody can be a scientist"?
How quickly Traffic does a U turn lol. I just did some science just now. I put a fruit fly trap with just vinegar and they ate it right up without dying. So I altered my experiment, added dish soap to the vinegar and this allowed them to drown and die. So yeah, anyone can be a scientist.
lol you need to chill
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On September 08 2015 19:32 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:58 argonautdice wrote:On September 05 2015 03:44 TRaFFiC wrote:On September 05 2015 03:25 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On September 05 2015 00:51 nkr wrote:On September 04 2015 23:11 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I will always be amazed how in e-sports the commentators and "journalists" (it's quite unrespectful to real trained journalists to call yourself that just because you opened a twitter account and started posting stuff on it) receive so much attention, even more than players sometimes. It just shows how e-sports have been mismanaged and didn't take a proper example from established sports league. I guess this happens when your average manager in the field is below 30 years old (when it started).
Best of luck to him anyway. He has a degree. Please educate yourself. So what. I have a masters in astrophysics. This doesn't make me a scientist until I produce peer reviewed valuable research. I also have some friends that went through the same process but each time barely passing and they really hardly know anything about physics, yet they have a degree. Pretty much the same can be done out of any formation and it's not because you are out of a journalist school that you are a journalist. Richard bases most of his work on hear-say and e-dramas and produces content comparable to celebrity tabloids like Closer; oh wait Closer is probably full of "real trained journalists" in your mind, because obviously they have a degree in journalism (do they?). Present me 10 videos of acknowledged journalists of official channels that post videos of themselves posting opinion based videos in which they literally tell people what to think and make several statement without any sources to be linked. I am not a hater on his work though, it's good that people like him are trying to create some kind of journalism for e-sports; it's just not there yet, there is still quite a road ahead for it to be comparable to professional journalism; starting with not insulting everyone you don't agree with, and presenting facts without judgement. You don't need a degree to be a scientist. Anyone can be a scientist. I'm not going to blindly support RL, but the claims you are making seem outrageous. Which articles specifically were based on hearsay? Did it end up being true? Comparing his stuff to the tabloids makes you sound like a hater. A lot of what you call "E-drama" is relevant to the scene. Please name 1 brilliant scientist from the past 50 years who doesn't have a degree. I can do much better than that, though you'd probably deny their "greatness." As it turns out most of these guys start off without a degree, but end up getting several degrees anyway after they become famous/successful. There are plenty of talented people in the world who don't need formal schooling to come up with incredible stuff.
Yes, anyone can be a scientist - but have to be incredibly motivated and bright to do so. Thought I would post a link instead of just spouting - you know guys evidence > speculation/opinions. It tends to end childish arguments before they have a chance to start.
High School Student finds a possible cancer cure
I am pretty sure a high school student doesn't have a degree, and that sounds like science to me.
On topic : recently watched a few of the videos he made on the riot/reddit fiasco they were well presented and informative. A great watch for those who haven't seen them.
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