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On June 10 2015 04:36 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:49 shid0x wrote:
The biggest news to me is that he was still playing starcraft II ahah.
Never even really liked the guy nor his so boring playstyle, i wonder if he can do well in hots. Thing is he hasn't been playing SC2. He's been playing Heroes competitively since closed Beta and maybe even longer. This isn't like Grubby or Huk streaming Heroes while they decide to take a break until LotV, this is a switch that's been a long time coming, same as with Vortix and Lucifron but with much less publicity.
I wonder if Grubby has made a decision on what to do in the future. He has pretty much become the big fish in a small pond as the most popular Heroes streamer. If he jumped back to LotV he'd have to start back at square 1 and transition his viewerbase back to SC2.
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On June 10 2015 04:36 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:00 Serimek wrote:On June 10 2015 02:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On June 10 2015 02:26 Mistakes wrote:
So much doom and gloom about SC2 in this thread. We're not doing that bad, you know that, right guys? Outside of Korea, yes we are  Considering SC2, I have the feeling we're not doing bad at all e-sport wise in France too. It looks the same in Germany, no ? France is big and full of competitive gaming fans, there's not a single esport game in which the French scene isn't strong.
DotA 2 is completely irrelevant in France.
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Well at least he's transitioning to an interesting MOBA. Hope he does well.
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Good bye to my favourite player of all time! Hope he will cast from time to time.
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I thought he wrote a retirement tweet long ago...? Maybe he just said he was taking a "break".
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NOOOOOO. Kind of not that surprising, though, but still sad.
Gl in Heroes, I might turn into Well Met's matches from time to time.
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11 years... that's more than my girlfriends age...
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On June 10 2015 04:55 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:36 Noocta wrote:On June 10 2015 03:00 Serimek wrote:On June 10 2015 02:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On June 10 2015 02:26 Mistakes wrote:
So much doom and gloom about SC2 in this thread. We're not doing that bad, you know that, right guys? Outside of Korea, yes we are Considering SC2, I have the feeling we're not doing bad at all e-sport wise in France too. It looks the same in Germany, no ? France is big and full of competitive gaming fans, there's not a single esport game in which the French scene isn't strong. DotA 2 is completely irrelevant in France.
Yeah, mostly the one missing. Forgot about it.
But we have lots of game going strong that aren't power houses in other countries.
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Wow....the end of an era indeed
I've been following him since the days of warcraft 3 competitive tournaments, WC3CL etc......
You wouldn't believe the enthusiasm around that game, it was actually possible to take big games and big tournaments from koreans in an RTS back then! So exciting.......
I even cheered for him during his SC2 career, had mouz as the team in my signaature for a long time thx to him, before they pulled the Dear BS. Maximum respect for Hasu...hope he can find success in this future gaming adventure.
PS: about the sc2 decline comments, the facts simply don't support it, i dont think. Viewership is way up again and big tournaments such as dreamhack Gfinity, etc are happening more and more often. That on top of the constantly moving grassroots movement - ESL scene, EPS in Germany, hell i was reading liquidpedia a few days ago about a tournament in central america (between guys in El Salvador and guys in Honduras no less!!!)
Of course, given the game's very high mechanical requirement at the very top level, and Europe's acessibility in big leagues to traveling Korean players and local Koreans (even after the forced migration back to KR), ''old'' European pros will continue to retire as they get older and cannot keep up with the korean macro/multitasking anymore, it's normal really. But as someone from Germany said, Showtime is coming up, Heromarine is coming up, and i don't think ForGG and Polt are going to stay here (in WCS) forever. The youngsters will carry this game on in Europe too!
I also agree to the commenters that doubt there's a future for HotS. Ok it's a matter of taste but i've watched a few matches on stream and it seems extremely boring when compared to Dota....or even LoL.
I don't play MOBA so i cant compare the playing experience, but from a spectators point of view i dunno if it can work.....
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On June 10 2015 04:42 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:36 Wuster wrote:On June 10 2015 03:49 shid0x wrote:
The biggest news to me is that he was still playing starcraft II ahah.
Never even really liked the guy nor his so boring playstyle, i wonder if he can do well in hots. Thing is he hasn't been playing SC2. He's been playing Heroes competitively since closed Beta and maybe even longer. This isn't like Grubby or Huk streaming Heroes while they decide to take a break until LotV, this is a switch that's been a long time coming, same as with Vortix and Lucifron but with much less publicity. I wonder if Grubby has made a decision on what to do in the future. He has pretty much become the big fish in a small pond as the most popular Heroes streamer. If he jumped back to LotV he'd have to start back at square 1 and transition his viewerbase back to SC2.
jesse cox has more viewers. he doesn't stream as regularly as grubby, but he consistently has 2500-3000 viewers while streaming hots compared to grubby's peak 2400-2600.
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On June 10 2015 06:58 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:42 Tenks wrote:On June 10 2015 04:36 Wuster wrote:On June 10 2015 03:49 shid0x wrote:
The biggest news to me is that he was still playing starcraft II ahah.
Never even really liked the guy nor his so boring playstyle, i wonder if he can do well in hots. Thing is he hasn't been playing SC2. He's been playing Heroes competitively since closed Beta and maybe even longer. This isn't like Grubby or Huk streaming Heroes while they decide to take a break until LotV, this is a switch that's been a long time coming, same as with Vortix and Lucifron but with much less publicity. I wonder if Grubby has made a decision on what to do in the future. He has pretty much become the big fish in a small pond as the most popular Heroes streamer. If he jumped back to LotV he'd have to start back at square 1 and transition his viewerbase back to SC2. jesse cox has more viewers. he doesn't stream as regularly as grubby, but he consistently has 2500-3000 viewers while streaming hots compared to grubby's peak 2400-2600.
Thats funny because right now Grubby has 3k viewers in heroes.
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To be fair, Hasu's team has done quite well in this season of ESL Major.
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On June 10 2015 01:27 Cazimirbzh wrote: XD and what word will you use for God? Also what he's going to do when Heroes is dead too(3years top)? Overwatch ? Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 00:52 Seifa wrote:
Smart choice to be honest. I spoke with a friend on the matter and Sc2's western scene is just on life support; it is too hard to keep a progamer career in this game if you are not in Korea, the money just isn't in the west for Starcraft and if you have no money to sustain yourself, you just have to leave or be a korean easy win because you can't even train properly.
I saw Grubby streaming Heroes, and it's working a lot better for him; i see him having a lot more fun and his viewership isn't that bad either. I can only expect more non-koreans to leave Sc2. It's maybe consider hard with a western gamer pov, but for the rest of the world, athlete carriers have always been hard. Also dont worry about Heroes as soon as blizzard will try to manage it, it'll be a epic fail. Sc2 is on life support since blizzard started wcs/twitch so...no money except blibli money. The situation in france is a good example millenium which was the big team and broadcaster of sc2 was slowly dethroned by ogaming.There was the drama because twitch= no money. Now OG(with twitch) is the number one broadcaster and millenium will propably close the sc2 section or keep only 3 lowcost players as soon as forgg leaves If an average player is gone for six months and go back to do amazing thinks it's can be a comeback, otherwise you can consider him skilldead. I think a lot of western sc2 players will switch to Heroes. Blizzard is so tricky some times to give hope when there's none. and because italy, :p VASA!!!! WE LOVE YOU !!! COME BACK !! edit: 11 years and 200 days with the same team. That's nice. Heromarine last chance, next season before mousesports sc2 section is close?
I don't see how you can draw that conclusion. The problem was that SC2 early on was simply overhyped. Yes - the game more or less initiated global esport revolution via streaming, the problem is that IGN and NASL overinvested in it. In the end of the day, people prefered LoL and the viewership never validated the investment. NASL went out of business, IGN decided to discontinue IPL, MLG eventually canclled their interest in sSC2. The NA collapsed. Europe stood strong for a time.
When Blizzard stepped in, it was more to try to salvage the situation. Perhaps they didn't act fast enough and strong enough. The 2012 WCS was really a way to do something cool. I still question the decision to have Global Finals in China but I don't think it really changed that much - though tournament as fantastic as 2012 WCS EU Continentals could help at the time.. At 2013, KeSPA was present in the scene in force. They kind of pushed a lot of talents overseas. Blizzard for two years tried to be fair before they drove Koreans back to Korea - but at this point the foreign scene was lost. Does anyone even remember Grubby Line? No non-korean player would be above it now. With Stephano and NaNiwa retired, Liquid is the only team left with europeans strong enough to really challenge really good Koreans repeatedly and there are no NA players who can do that and since Scarlett retired - there are no American (NA or SA) players who can do that. If LotV won't level playing field a bit, SC2 will end up like SC:BW
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It does sorta fit him. Almost like HotS first came out Grubby insta-switched
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Eleven years on mouz and a six time EPS Champion. You'll be missed, good luck in heroes!
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On June 10 2015 00:36 nimdil wrote:
I have no faith in HotS.
Which one? After all, he's leaving HotS to go play HotS...
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11 years is insane! RIP to a great Protoss foreigner! See you in Heroes!
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On June 10 2015 06:54 Hassan_RO wrote:
Wow....the end of an era indeed
I've been following him since the days of warcraft 3 competitive tournaments, WC3CL etc......
You wouldn't believe the enthusiasm around that game, it was actually possible to take big games and big tournaments from koreans in an RTS back then! So exciting.......
I even cheered for him during his SC2 career, had mouz as the team in my signaature for a long time thx to him, before they pulled the Dear BS. Maximum respect for Hasu...hope he can find success in this future gaming adventure.
PS: about the sc2 decline comments, the facts simply don't support it, i dont think. Viewership is way up again and big tournaments such as dreamhack Gfinity, etc are happening more and more often. That on top of the constantly moving grassroots movement - ESL scene, EPS in Germany, hell i was reading liquidpedia a few days ago about a tournament in central america (between guys in El Salvador and guys in Honduras no less!!!)
Of course, given the game's very high mechanical requirement at the very top level, and Europe's acessibility in big leagues to traveling Korean players and local Koreans (even after the forced migration back to KR), ''old'' European pros will continue to retire as they get older and cannot keep up with the korean macro/multitasking anymore, it's normal really. But as someone from Germany said, Showtime is coming up, Heromarine is coming up, and i don't think ForGG and Polt are going to stay here (in WCS) forever. The youngsters will carry this game on in Europe too!
I also agree to the commenters that doubt there's a future for HotS. Ok it's a matter of taste but i've watched a few matches on stream and it seems extremely boring when compared to Dota....or even LoL.
I don't play MOBA so i cant compare the playing experience, but from a spectators point of view i dunno if it can work.....
If anything, HotS is far more spectator-friendly that a DotA or LoL match. There is a lot more action that starts a lot more quickly, the games are shorter, and there are a variety of objectives that are 1) easy to understand and 2) make the games diverse.
I'm excited to see HasuObs play HotS. I always liked watching him play SC2 and I hope he does well in HotS.
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