HasuObs leaves Mouz, switches to Heroes

On June 10 2015 00:35 Iberville wrote:
Heroes probably fits his style and skill level more. This'll probably be his last game, though. If Heroes doesn't pan out, expect him to quit progaming.

On June 10 2015 00:36 nimdil wrote:
I have no faith in HotS.

On June 10 2015 00:37 JoeCool wrote:


Yeah, and after playing the beta for a couple of months, me neither.

his long career in SC2

On June 10 2015 00:52 Seifa wrote:
Smart choice to be honest. I spoke with a friend on the matter and Sc2's western scene is just on life support; it is too hard to keep a progamer career in this game if you are not in Korea, the money just isn't in the west for Starcraft and if you have no money to sustain yourself, you just have to leave or be a korean easy win because you can't even train properly.

I saw Grubby streaming Heroes, and it's working a lot better for him; i see him having a lot more fun and his viewership isn't that bad either. I can only expect more non-koreans to leave Sc2.

On June 10 2015 00:37 Mistakes wrote:


Yeah I'm kind of worried about it having a big pro scene, but from my experiences I have a lot more fun on Heroes than other MOBAs. Sad to see Hasu go, but he hasn't done anything in awhile. I wish him the best of luck with Heroes. ^^

On June 10 2015 00:36 nimdil wrote:
I have no faith in HotS.

On June 10 2015 03:37 SuperHofmann wrote:
He is playing Heroes in the team WELL MET with Socke. Maybe Socke will retire soon too?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/WELL_MET

On June 10 2015 03:49 shid0x wrote:
The biggest news to me is that he was still playing starcraft II ahah.

Never even really liked the guy nor his so boring playstyle, i wonder if he can do well in hots.

On June 10 2015 03:00 Serimek wrote:


Considering SC2, I have the feeling we're not doing bad at all e-sport wise in France too. It looks the same in Germany, no ?

On June 10 2015 04:36 Wuster wrote:


Thing is he hasn't been playing SC2. He's been playing Heroes competitively since closed Beta and maybe even longer. This isn't like Grubby or Huk streaming Heroes while they decide to take a break until LotV, this is a switch that's been a long time coming, same as with Vortix and Lucifron but with much less publicity.

On June 10 2015 04:36 Noocta wrote:


France is big and full of competitive gaming fans, there's not a single esport game in which the French scene isn't strong.

On June 10 2015 04:55 Boucot wrote:

DotA 2 is completely irrelevant in France.

On June 10 2015 04:42 Tenks wrote:


I wonder if Grubby has made a decision on what to do in the future. He has pretty much become the big fish in a small pond as the most popular Heroes streamer. If he jumped back to LotV he'd have to start back at square 1 and transition his viewerbase back to SC2.

On June 10 2015 06:58 Tanzklaue wrote:

jesse cox has more viewers. he doesn't stream as regularly as grubby, but he consistently has 2500-3000 viewers while streaming hots compared to grubby's peak 2400-2600.

On June 10 2015 01:27 Cazimirbzh wrote:
XD and what word will you use for God?
Also what he's going to do when Heroes is dead too(3years top)? Overwatch ?




It's maybe consider hard with a western gamer pov, but for the rest of the world, athlete carriers have always been hard. Also dont worry about Heroes as soon as blizzard will try to manage it, it'll be a epic fail.

Sc2 is on life support since blizzard started wcs/twitch so...no money except blibli money.
The situation in france is a good example millenium which was the big team and broadcaster of sc2 was slowly dethroned by ogaming.There was the drama because twitch= no money. Now OG(with twitch) is the number one broadcaster and millenium will propably close the sc2 section or keep only 3 lowcost players as soon as forgg leaves

If an average player is gone for six months and go back to do amazing thinks it's can be a comeback, otherwise you can consider him skilldead. I think a lot of western sc2 players will switch to Heroes. Blizzard is so tricky some times to give hope when there's none.

and because italy, :p VASA!!!! WE LOVE YOU !!! COME BACK !!

edit: 11 years and 200 days with the same team. That's nice.
Heromarine last chance, next season before mousesports sc2 section is close?

On June 10 2015 06:39 rafaliusz wrote:
11 years... that's more than my girlfriends age...

On June 11 2015 02:10 Tigi wrote:
First of all huge thanks to HasuObs for his awesomeness. Easily my favorite esport competetor ever. His combination of kindness while still having the abilitie to troll along with his passion and intelligence remain umatched to me.
To the people that think HotS won't become an esport: You people clearly have no idea what you're talking about xD. I don't really mean i offensive tho because i see why it MIGHT look like this from a perspective from someone who doesn't really spent time with the game yet. Whether or not one likes it is obviously a personal thing, but from a esport perspective the arguments were really inapropiate:
1. The twitch numbers are doing awesome! People didn't consider that the game is only out for a single week and rarely a game has such high viewers after that. People might compare to HS in beta, however in HS blizz gave the streamers a much,really,very higher significant amount of giveaway stuff! Over the past month the constant viewership on twitch has doubled and will grow alot in the months to come when the first BIG events start happening (and Blizcon ofc).
2. That the game is not suited for viewers is really wrong and the opposite is actually true. The games last for a much better time for esport (20min ~), the actions kicks in MUCH faster, much more diversity due to different maps, much easier to follow the strategic choices of talents as opposed to items.
3. People who think this game is too easy, just didn't play it long enough/with enough thought. It is pretty easy to feel godlike in this game thats true especially since there are SO many really noobs :D, but thats not the case. Maybe some people think they already mastered the game and whenever they loss it is due to bad teammats, but in reality there is a lot to this game which those kind of people just don't consider. So its more of a mindset problem really. In HotS you can think so much more about comps, having to consider the map, than in other mobas. There is tons of diversity. Also what normal people dont realize when they play is how well the rotations can be timed on all of the different maps, but that ofc requires to learn the timings of the maps and the timings when you can rotate in the beginnning without missing a single creep on your lane, etc etc...

On June 11 2015 02:15 sharkie wrote:
I can't understand how people think HotS can't make it big when LoL did it...

On June 11 2015 04:04 Footler wrote:

Because they played 5 games of HotS, noticed they couldn't last hit their way ahead of their opponent and decided it was an easy baby game.

On June 11 2015 04:12 xyzz wrote:

Or it's because LoL and Dota are incredible games in their own right, and worldwide leaders of E-Sports. TI5 for Dota2 this summer will have over 15 million dollars in prize pool. The players in the winning team will all be multimillionaires. That's unprecedented in E-Sports (except already previously in Dota).

And of course the fact that Heroes is a dumbed down version of both games, intended for less competitive people. The fact anyone would want to try to make it in Heroes is simply because they expect the competition to be so weak that they can cash in on any early promo tournament money because noone knows what they are doing.

On June 11 2015 04:12 xyzz wrote:

Or it's because LoL and Dota are incredible games in their own right, and worldwide leaders of E-Sports. TI5 for Dota2 this summer will have over 15 million dollars in prize pool. The players in the winning team will all be multimillionaires. That's unprecedented in E-Sports (except already previously in Dota) if we consider tournament winnings.

And of course the fact that Heroes is a dumbed down version of both games, intended for less competitive people. The fact anyone would want to try to make it in Heroes is simply because they expect the competition to be so weak that they can cash in on any early promo tournament money because noone knows what they are doing.

On June 11 2015 17:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I don't understand why pros keep switching to Heroes.

Like why not choose Dota or League? They are both very well developed, have a lot more money in them.... I just literally don't see any reason, is it really only because they are Blizzard fanboys?

From the little exposure I've had to the game, and as a fan of Dota (so I'm sure I'll have a bit of bias), I don't know of one thing that Heroes has, that Dota doesn't.

On June 11 2015 17:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I don't understand why pros keep switching to Heroes.

Like why not choose Dota or League? They are both very well developed, have a lot more money in them.... I just literally don't see any reason, is it really only because they are Blizzard fanboys?

From the little exposure I've had to the game, and as a fan of Dota (so I'm sure I'll have a bit of bias), I don't know of one thing that Heroes has, that Dota doesn't.

On June 11 2015 17:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I don't understand why pros keep switching to Heroes.

Like why not choose Dota or League? They are both very well developed, have a lot more money in them.... I just literally don't see any reason, is it really only because they are Blizzard fanboys?

From the little exposure I've had to the game, and as a fan of Dota (so I'm sure I'll have a bit of bias), I don't know of one thing that Heroes has, that Dota doesn't.

On June 11 2015 22:17 StarVe wrote:

because the pros in those games are already good
new game, everybody starts with a clean slate

On June 11 2015 22:32 maartendq wrote:

I wonder whether we'll see the same thing happening as we saw with SC2: pros no longer relevant in the proscene of an older game migrating to a new game where their mechanical skill will keep them afloat for a couple of months, right until other people catch up and eventually push them into irrelevance again.

It happened with quite a few of them back around 2010 and 2011.

On June 12 2015 02:25 Tenks wrote:
Yep, Well Met turned into Roccat. Good for them.

On June 12 2015 03:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:


If that's the reason, it's very upsetting.

We wont want to ever just want one MOBA to unite the community. Instead, there will be lazy people who refuse to catch-up to the rest by playing a bit, and will always go to the new MOBA.

On June 10 2015 07:58 nimdil wrote:

I don't see how you can draw that conclusion. The problem was that SC2 early on was simply overhyped. Yes - the game more or less initiated global esport revolution via streaming, the problem is that IGN and NASL overinvested in it. In the end of the day, people prefered LoL and the viewership never validated the investment. NASL went out of business, IGN decided to discontinue IPL, MLG eventually canclled their interest in sSC2. The NA collapsed. Europe stood strong for a time.
When Blizzard stepped in, it was more to try to salvage the situation. Perhaps they didn't act fast enough and strong enough. The 2012 WCS was really a way to do something cool. I still question the decision to have Global Finals in China but I don't think it really changed that much - though tournament as fantastic as 2012 WCS EU Continentals could help at the time.. At 2013, KeSPA was present in the scene in force. They kind of pushed a lot of talents overseas. Blizzard for two years tried to be fair before they drove Koreans back to Korea - but at this point the foreign scene was lost. Does anyone even remember Grubby Line? No non-korean player would be above it now. With Stephano and NaNiwa retired, Liquid is the only team left with europeans strong enough to really challenge really good Koreans repeatedly and there are no NA players who can do that and since Scarlett retired - there are no American (NA or SA) players who can do that. If LotV won't level playing field a bit, SC2 will end up like SC:BW

On June 12 2015 04:35 FiWiFaKi wrote:


I think most people are blind haters. Just like when League started overtaking Starcraft as an esport, nobody on teamliquid liked League - calling it a no skill game, low skill cap, whatever else. Then I've read a League forum once, and people hated on Dota for the weirdest reasons, like they never tried it.... And some Dota players feel more elite just because there is no last-hitting in League, or something silly.

It's very possible, like the post above yours mentioned about Grubby just not liking Dota, but liking Heroes. But I think if everyone switching to Heroes actually tried Dota 2 (or maybe League), I'm sure the overall sentiment would be more-or-less indifferent, maybe even Dota favored (due to having to pay to have all heroes initially?)...

I dunno, I feel like it needlessly fragments the communities, when neither game is really much superior to another. Just like the thing I'd always hear from my friends: "To decide to play Dota or League, play the one that more of your friends play" is the thing I'd hear all the time... And adding another game into the equation is just so wasteful.

On June 12 2015 04:35 FiWiFaKi wrote:


I think most people are blind haters. Just like when League started overtaking Starcraft as an esport, nobody on teamliquid liked League - calling it a no skill game, low skill cap, whatever else. Then I've read a League forum once, and people hated on Dota for the weirdest reasons, like they never tried it.... And some Dota players feel more elite just because there is no last-hitting in League, or something silly.

It's very possible, like the post above yours mentioned about Grubby just not liking Dota, but liking Heroes. But I think if everyone switching to Heroes actually tried Dota 2 (or maybe League), I'm sure the overall sentiment would be more-or-less indifferent, maybe even Dota favored (due to having to pay to have all heroes initially?)...

I dunno, I feel like it needlessly fragments the communities, when neither game is really much superior to another. Just like the thing I'd always hear from my friends: "To decide to play Dota or League, play the one that more of your friends play" is the thing I'd hear all the time... And adding another game into the equation is just so wasteful.