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HorstSchlemmer
Germany114 Posts
http://heroes.ingame.de/news/interview-mit-hasuobs-von-well-met-es-wird-eine-europaeische-organisation/ He says he left mouz and socke left xmg because they are going to announce their new organisation really soon. It's going to be an european team. the other stuff is mostly about heroes, so idk if it's relevant here. | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On June 12 2015 02:12 HorstSchlemmer wrote: German Interview with Hasuobs after he left mouz: http://heroes.ingame.de/news/interview-mit-hasuobs-von-well-met-es-wird-eine-europaeische-organisation/ He says he left mouz and socke left xmg because they are going to announce their new organisation really soon. It's going to be an european team. the other stuff is mostly about heroes, so idk if it's relevant here. It's ROCCAT. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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mTwRINE
Germany318 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 12 2015 02:25 Tenks wrote: Yep, Well Met turned into Roccat. Good for them. I saw the announcement that Socke was leaving XMG and was just thinking Socke and Hasuobs play on the same Heroes team, why would they both leave their current teams unless something was going to happen with their Heroes team... Good for them indeed, Well Met is one of the better EU teams from what I recall too. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 11 2015 22:17 StarVe wrote: because the pros in those games are already good new game, everybody starts with a clean slate If that's the reason, it's very upsetting. We wont want to ever just want one MOBA to unite the community. Instead, there will be lazy people who refuse to catch-up to the rest by playing a bit, and will always go to the new MOBA. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
Not to mention that Heroes is pretty different from traditional MOBA's. When Grubby started streaming it he specifically talked about how he never really liked Dota despite being such a big WC3 guy, but Heroes felt pretty fun to him. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On June 12 2015 03:51 FiWiFaKi wrote: If that's the reason, it's very upsetting. We wont want to ever just want one MOBA to unite the community. Instead, there will be lazy people who refuse to catch-up to the rest by playing a bit, and will always go to the new MOBA. Or they actually enjoy playing the game? Outside of a few people playing a game professionally is a feat of passion not for huge material gain. If they don't like playing League or DOTA they could just get real jobs and make the same cash and also hate going to work as well. | ||
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Cazimirbzh
334 Posts
On June 10 2015 07:58 nimdil wrote: I don't see how you can draw that conclusion. The problem was that SC2 early on was simply overhyped. Yes - the game more or less initiated global esport revolution via streaming, the problem is that IGN and NASL overinvested in it. In the end of the day, people prefered LoL and the viewership never validated the investment. NASL went out of business, IGN decided to discontinue IPL, MLG eventually canclled their interest in sSC2. The NA collapsed. Europe stood strong for a time. When Blizzard stepped in, it was more to try to salvage the situation. Perhaps they didn't act fast enough and strong enough. The 2012 WCS was really a way to do something cool. I still question the decision to have Global Finals in China but I don't think it really changed that much - though tournament as fantastic as 2012 WCS EU Continentals could help at the time.. At 2013, KeSPA was present in the scene in force. They kind of pushed a lot of talents overseas. Blizzard for two years tried to be fair before they drove Koreans back to Korea - but at this point the foreign scene was lost. Does anyone even remember Grubby Line? No non-korean player would be above it now. With Stephano and NaNiwa retired, Liquid is the only team left with europeans strong enough to really challenge really good Koreans repeatedly and there are no NA players who can do that and since Scarlett retired - there are no American (NA or SA) players who can do that. If LotV won't level playing field a bit, SC2 will end up like SC:BW I dont think it was that overhyped maybe a bit in the usa but that didnt really have any effect compare to b.net gui and the constant patching. Lol and Dota are a lot more stable for casual players. NA collapsed just for that. Situation in europe is different because national scenes all together make a lot of pple and they have some national tournaments where maybe one or more finalists will be top EU :p skill boost ^^ GO4 and Zotac helped a lot too. Even if some pple didnt realise that when kespa was in the boat, the level will be a harder, harder than esf. But the decision to make twitch leading broadcaster is utterly wrong. It sent a message : "door closed!". GSL situation is a good example :p Now majority of "pro" in sc2 can live through donation only, nor more by adds. It's all the video player. The new rulz for wcs with are good for some national scenes, 2 sea and especially 2 SA. copa america is great and can allow for more opportunities. But if they want to bring back pple, blibli must first finish the game(social tools too ) then step back(twitch nonsense too^^) and cash in. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 12 2015 04:18 Tenks wrote: Or they actually enjoy playing the game? Outside of a few people playing a game professionally is a feat of passion not for huge material gain. If they don't like playing League or DOTA they could just get real jobs and make the same cash and also hate going to work as well. I think most people are blind haters. Just like when League started overtaking Starcraft as an esport, nobody on teamliquid liked League - calling it a no skill game, low skill cap, whatever else. Then I've read a League forum once, and people hated on Dota for the weirdest reasons, like they never tried it.... And some Dota players feel more elite just because there is no last-hitting in League, or something silly. It's very possible, like the post above yours mentioned about Grubby just not liking Dota, but liking Heroes. But I think if everyone switching to Heroes actually tried Dota 2 (or maybe League), I'm sure the overall sentiment would be more-or-less indifferent, maybe even Dota favored (due to having to pay to have all heroes initially?)... I dunno, I feel like it needlessly fragments the communities, when neither game is really much superior to another. Just like the thing I'd always hear from my friends: "To decide to play Dota or League, play the one that more of your friends play" is the thing I'd hear all the time... And adding another game into the equation is just so wasteful. | ||
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Footler
United States560 Posts
On June 12 2015 04:35 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think most people are blind haters. Just like when League started overtaking Starcraft as an esport, nobody on teamliquid liked League - calling it a no skill game, low skill cap, whatever else. Then I've read a League forum once, and people hated on Dota for the weirdest reasons, like they never tried it.... And some Dota players feel more elite just because there is no last-hitting in League, or something silly. It's very possible, like the post above yours mentioned about Grubby just not liking Dota, but liking Heroes. But I think if everyone switching to Heroes actually tried Dota 2 (or maybe League), I'm sure the overall sentiment would be more-or-less indifferent, maybe even Dota favored (due to having to pay to have all heroes initially?)... I dunno, I feel like it needlessly fragments the communities, when neither game is really much superior to another. Just like the thing I'd always hear from my friends: "To decide to play Dota or League, play the one that more of your friends play" is the thing I'd hear all the time... And adding another game into the equation is just so wasteful. I think the best thing to do is play the games you have fun on and then try to convince others to play with you. Friends tried to convince me to play Dota2 but I simply did not enjoy it at all. I eventually tried League and didn't like it either. I later tried Smite and had fun with it because of it's non Conquest(3 lane) modes. Heroes alpha came along and I had fun with it almost instantly. I really hope Blizzard releases the map editor soon so that we can see what the community can create. Look how much influence the SC2 map making community had. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On June 12 2015 04:35 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think most people are blind haters. Just like when League started overtaking Starcraft as an esport, nobody on teamliquid liked League - calling it a no skill game, low skill cap, whatever else. Then I've read a League forum once, and people hated on Dota for the weirdest reasons, like they never tried it.... And some Dota players feel more elite just because there is no last-hitting in League, or something silly. It's very possible, like the post above yours mentioned about Grubby just not liking Dota, but liking Heroes. But I think if everyone switching to Heroes actually tried Dota 2 (or maybe League), I'm sure the overall sentiment would be more-or-less indifferent, maybe even Dota favored (due to having to pay to have all heroes initially?)... I dunno, I feel like it needlessly fragments the communities, when neither game is really much superior to another. Just like the thing I'd always hear from my friends: "To decide to play Dota or League, play the one that more of your friends play" is the thing I'd hear all the time... And adding another game into the equation is just so wasteful. Tried Dota, didn't like it at all. Tried Heroes, and absolutely love it. Turns out, different people like different stuff, who would've thunk. Now, could you please read the first paragraph of your own post and stop hating on Heroes in this thread? It gets tiresome and doesn't do Hasu justice. Not everybody playing Heroes needs to be told that he needs to man up and play Dota/Lol because your friends said so. Thank you. | ||
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