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WhenRaxFly
Profile Joined April 2015
45 Posts
June 06 2015 16:18 GMT
#41
It seems that only Terrans have the problem, all the top Terrans have had problems with this - Flash, MVP, Boxer, Taeja, Maru. The moral is play protoss or LoL ^^
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 16:25:32
June 06 2015 16:23 GMT
#42
On June 06 2015 15:58 OtherWorld wrote:
That scar is huge for something made in the 21st century. Does anyone know what precisely he was being operated for? (I'm also interested in how playing SC 10+ hours/day can damage the arm, while I can see that it can easily damage wrists or shoulders/back I fail to imagine how for the arm)

As for the article, it's decent, nor very good nor very bad.


medial and/or lateral epicondylitis is possible playing this much.
the tendon attaches to the humerus in the elbow joint.
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i recall Boxer having shoulder problems.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 06 2015 16:54 GMT
#43
dang if this guy thinks video games are dangerous wait until he hears about sports
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 18:35:04
June 06 2015 18:30 GMT
#44
On June 07 2015 00:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 00:46 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Lol at all the nerd tears ITT. Gaming is unhealthy. Playing real sports is healthy. Get over it.

High level sport is just as good as high level gaming at breaking your body and making you an ugly old man -probably even worse, I'd rather be 50 year old Flash than 50 year old Gatlin, and no that's not because I know even 50 year old Flash would be infinitely more skilled than me ^^

But to be completely fair physical sports are good at breaking your body precisely because they're physical, which means that they are expected to potentially damage your body, while eSports are not expected to be physical. The injuries you get from traditional sports are mostly either muscular or resulting from shocks (fractures or brain injuries) [edit : I guess injuries consequential to doping are valid too], while what most pro players get (afaik) are injuries related to the repetition of a movement, similar to what factory workers get. Thus I'm unsure if the comparison is valid.
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
June 06 2015 19:12 GMT
#45
On June 07 2015 03:30 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 00:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On June 07 2015 00:46 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Lol at all the nerd tears ITT. Gaming is unhealthy. Playing real sports is healthy. Get over it.

High level sport is just as good as high level gaming at breaking your body and making you an ugly old man -probably even worse, I'd rather be 50 year old Flash than 50 year old Gatlin, and no that's not because I know even 50 year old Flash would be infinitely more skilled than me ^^

But to be completely fair physical sports are good at breaking your body precisely because they're physical, which means that they are expected to potentially damage your body, while eSports are not expected to be physical. The injuries you get from traditional sports are mostly either muscular or resulting from shocks (fractures or brain injuries) [edit : I guess injuries consequential to doping are valid too], while what most pro players get (afaik) are injuries related to the repetition of a movement, similar to what factory workers get. Thus I'm unsure if the comparison is valid.


Playing a game in which you move your arm the same way over and over for a living should be expected to produce the problems associated with moving your arm the same way over and over.

Just as much as boxing should be expected to produce the problems associated with getting punched.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 06 2015 19:16 GMT
#46
On June 07 2015 00:46 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Lol at all the nerd tears ITT. Gaming is unhealthy. Playing real sports is healthy. Get over it.


Why are you here?
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NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
June 06 2015 19:23 GMT
#47
On June 07 2015 04:16 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 00:46 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Lol at all the nerd tears ITT. Gaming is unhealthy. Playing real sports is healthy. Get over it.


Why are you here?

you can do other stuff on teamliquid.net than to just be in denial
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
June 06 2015 20:24 GMT
#48
i thought it was pretty insightful. RSI can completely destroy a career and they don't have college education or anything to fall back on like most athletes. they are completely invested into progaming but it doesn't last long.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 06 2015 21:05 GMT
#49
On June 07 2015 04:23 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 04:16 Caihead wrote:
On June 07 2015 00:46 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Lol at all the nerd tears ITT. Gaming is unhealthy. Playing real sports is healthy. Get over it.


Why are you here?

you can do other stuff on teamliquid.net than to just be in denial

Pretty edgy bro. I'm sure concussions and steroids are way healthier than RSI.
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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
June 07 2015 00:13 GMT
#50
Slashdot article comments might be interesting. Our bias here as starcraft fans is a little bit counterbalanced by these other nerds.

http://games.slashdot.org/story/15/06/06/215213/the-real-scars-of-korean-gaming
Garbels
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria653 Posts
June 07 2015 00:21 GMT
#51
On June 07 2015 03:30 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 00:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On June 07 2015 00:46 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Lol at all the nerd tears ITT. Gaming is unhealthy. Playing real sports is healthy. Get over it.

High level sport is just as good as high level gaming at breaking your body and making you an ugly old man -probably even worse, I'd rather be 50 year old Flash than 50 year old Gatlin, and no that's not because I know even 50 year old Flash would be infinitely more skilled than me ^^

But to be completely fair physical sports are good at breaking your body precisely because they're physical, which means that they are expected to potentially damage your body, while eSports are not expected to be physical. The injuries you get from traditional sports are mostly either muscular or resulting from shocks (fractures or brain injuries) [edit : I guess injuries consequential to doping are valid too], while what most pro players get (afaik) are injuries related to the repetition of a movement, similar to what factory workers get. Thus I'm unsure if the comparison is valid.


Overuse injuries are very common in physical sports even at very young age. Golfers elbow, tennis elbow, running knee and so on. Probably far more common than acute injuries.
Roadog
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1670 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 00:43:10
June 07 2015 00:25 GMT
#52
On June 07 2015 05:24 Terranist wrote:
they don't have college education or anything to fall back on like most athletes

Heh, not American Football. Due to the money (corruption) in College Football academic standards for the players is close to zero; it doesn't matter if you're dumb as bricks, if you can play football you can get pretty much a free pass through college

And since most NFL players bomb out of the league in 5 years or fewer, not only do you end up still dumb and unemployed, you end up concussed, and without a real college education

In hockey most players don't go to college and go straight to the minor leagues or NHL after age 18.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 00:45:16
June 07 2015 00:38 GMT
#53
On June 07 2015 09:25 Roadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 05:24 Terranist wrote:
they don't have college education or anything to fall back on like most athletes

Heh, not American Football. Due to the money (corruption) in College Football academic standards for the players is close to zero; it doesn't matter if you're dumb as bricks, if you can play football you can get pretty much a free pass through college

And since most NFL players bomb out of the league in 5 years or fewer, not only do you end up still dumb and unemployed, you end up concussed, and without a real college education


I think your greatly overestimating how fraudulent educations for athletes are. most of them still get degrees so they still have something to fall back on. plus considering most know their not going to go professional I'm sure there are a few that take it seriously. admittedly graduation rates are about 20 percent lower overall than normal students but over half of them still get degrees. so the options are there if an athlete cares enough about it.
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KrOmander
Profile Joined August 2014
United Kingdom78 Posts
June 07 2015 00:43 GMT
#54
On June 07 2015 09:25 Roadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 05:24 Terranist wrote:
they don't have college education or anything to fall back on like most athletes

Heh, not American Football. Due to the money (corruption) in College Football academic standards for the players is close to zero; it doesn't matter if you're dumb as bricks, if you can play football you can get pretty much a free pass through college

And since most NFL players bomb out of the league in 5 years or fewer, not only do you end up still dumb and unemployed, you end up concussed, and without a real college education


I am not that over familiar with American football, but wouldn't 5 years in the NFL generate more income than an average college graduate makes in a lifetime?
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
June 07 2015 02:04 GMT
#55
On June 07 2015 09:43 KrOmander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 09:25 Roadog wrote:
On June 07 2015 05:24 Terranist wrote:
they don't have college education or anything to fall back on like most athletes

Heh, not American Football. Due to the money (corruption) in College Football academic standards for the players is close to zero; it doesn't matter if you're dumb as bricks, if you can play football you can get pretty much a free pass through college

And since most NFL players bomb out of the league in 5 years or fewer, not only do you end up still dumb and unemployed, you end up concussed, and without a real college education


I am not that over familiar with American football, but wouldn't 5 years in the NFL generate more income than an average college graduate makes in a lifetime?

They'd probably blow most of it considering the culture, at least Korean progamers tend to save what they make beyond shouting their friends chicken/pizza.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 02:45:01
June 07 2015 02:41 GMT
#56
On June 07 2015 09:43 KrOmander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 09:25 Roadog wrote:
On June 07 2015 05:24 Terranist wrote:
they don't have college education or anything to fall back on like most athletes

Heh, not American Football. Due to the money (corruption) in College Football academic standards for the players is close to zero; it doesn't matter if you're dumb as bricks, if you can play football you can get pretty much a free pass through college

And since most NFL players bomb out of the league in 5 years or fewer, not only do you end up still dumb and unemployed, you end up concussed, and without a real college education


I am not that over familiar with American football, but wouldn't 5 years in the NFL generate more income than an average college graduate makes in a lifetime?



pro athletes in general have a difficult time dealing with finances. the nfl average minimum salary for active roster is (by year) 435,000 510,000 585,000 and 745,000 so 2.275 million dollars. generally however you can be cut at any time and many people don't even make it 5 years. so quite a bit of money but prob not enough to retire on especially for a 30 year old. the problem is a lot of people don't plan for being out after 5 years so they spend their money then when it dries up their spending habits continue and they don't have any new income.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
June 07 2015 03:24 GMT
#57
On June 07 2015 11:41 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 09:43 KrOmander wrote:
On June 07 2015 09:25 Roadog wrote:
On June 07 2015 05:24 Terranist wrote:
they don't have college education or anything to fall back on like most athletes

Heh, not American Football. Due to the money (corruption) in College Football academic standards for the players is close to zero; it doesn't matter if you're dumb as bricks, if you can play football you can get pretty much a free pass through college

And since most NFL players bomb out of the league in 5 years or fewer, not only do you end up still dumb and unemployed, you end up concussed, and without a real college education


I am not that over familiar with American football, but wouldn't 5 years in the NFL generate more income than an average college graduate makes in a lifetime?



pro athletes in general have a difficult time dealing with finances. the nfl average minimum salary for active roster is (by year) 435,000 510,000 585,000 and 745,000 so 2.275 million dollars. generally however you can be cut at any time and many people don't even make it 5 years. so quite a bit of money but prob not enough to retire on especially for a 30 year old. the problem is a lot of people don't plan for being out after 5 years so they spend their money then when it dries up their spending habits continue and they don't have any new income.

The other problem is the vultures. Many come from "economically challenged upbringings." If they ever make it primetime, every relative, casual acquaintance, and sadly, their closest friends and family, come out of the woodwork and hit them up for money, gifts, fundings, etc. There was one NFL player whose mother demanded 1 million dollars because she's the one who gave birth to him. Yowza.
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 07 2015 03:26 GMT
#58
On June 06 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 15:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On June 06 2015 13:42 stuchiu wrote:
I wonder why they always use this story.

because flash?


No I mean the mainstream esports flow chart: You can compete off games and make money? Insert random team/pro without any context on why anyone should care as example of people competing for money. Go into how gaming is probably dangerous for you. The End.


This was my thought as well, didn't they do this exact story about Mvp in like 2011? And again about WCG in maybe 2013?

On June 06 2015 20:23 Teoita wrote:
Meanwhile in 'murka, retired NFL players are just fine amirite

What a misinformed article.


The NFL not only injures your body but the body of your wife from what we have seen in the last year, at least gaming is just one person.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 03:38:09
June 07 2015 03:37 GMT
#59
On June 07 2015 12:24 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 11:41 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On June 07 2015 09:43 KrOmander wrote:
On June 07 2015 09:25 Roadog wrote:
On June 07 2015 05:24 Terranist wrote:
they don't have college education or anything to fall back on like most athletes

Heh, not American Football. Due to the money (corruption) in College Football academic standards for the players is close to zero; it doesn't matter if you're dumb as bricks, if you can play football you can get pretty much a free pass through college

And since most NFL players bomb out of the league in 5 years or fewer, not only do you end up still dumb and unemployed, you end up concussed, and without a real college education


I am not that over familiar with American football, but wouldn't 5 years in the NFL generate more income than an average college graduate makes in a lifetime?



pro athletes in general have a difficult time dealing with finances. the nfl average minimum salary for active roster is (by year) 435,000 510,000 585,000 and 745,000 so 2.275 million dollars. generally however you can be cut at any time and many people don't even make it 5 years. so quite a bit of money but prob not enough to retire on especially for a 30 year old. the problem is a lot of people don't plan for being out after 5 years so they spend their money then when it dries up their spending habits continue and they don't have any new income.

The other problem is the vultures. Many come from "economically challenged upbringings." If they ever make it primetime, every relative, casual acquaintance, and sadly, their closest friends and family, come out of the woodwork and hit them up for money, gifts, fundings, etc. There was one NFL player whose mother demanded 1 million dollars because she's the one who gave birth to him. Yowza.


yeah. plus these guys are super competitive and will sometimes invest the money in a buisness they know nothing about. ESPN had a really good 30 for 30 about athletes and money issues

http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=broke (not the actual film unfortunately but the page that talks about it.)

quick quote from it.
"According to a 2009 Sports Illustrated article, 60 percent of former NBA players are broke within five years of retirement. By the time they have been retired for two years, 78% of former NFL players have gone bankrupt or are under financial stress. "
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 04:29:39
June 07 2015 04:18 GMT
#60
I was kind enough to send him an email, warning him that were other sports... sports where people used their entire bodies, and suffered far worse injuries. I warned him there is a even a sport where people punch each other in the face for entertainment.

I also told him that while the top SC2 players may stay up late at night and that seems like a serious problem, Michael Jordan used to stay up late at night in the gym in his quest to become the best. I prayed that he doesn't stay up too late one night writing an article, as that'd surely be a sign of a problem, not dedication to his job. Because going above and beyond like Flash and Michael Jordan did, and then becoming the best is surely a problem.

Or that could be why I've never heard of David Lee, because he isn't the best at what he does.

If you guys also want to pass along advice to him, his email is: dave.lee@bbc.co.uk
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