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[Code S] Ro32 Group D: Whatever It Takes - S2 2015

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[Code S] Ro32 Group D: Whatever It Takes - S2 2015

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Graphics byshiroiusagi
May 6th, 2015 02:02 GMT
2015 GSL Season 1

SBENU GSL
Season 2 Code S



Whatever It Takes
INnoVation, Creator, Bomber, Panic

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Whatever It Takes


by Destructicon

After dominating the first round of Proleague while showing impressive and clutch play, (T)INnoVation seems to have entered a rough patch. The first chink in his armor appeared in the SSL S1 Challenger: after going up 2-0 against Stats, INnoVation wasn't able to close it out and lost 2-3. The chinks soon became cracks as INnoVation lost to Life in the Ro8 of the GSL and then Zest in the Ro8 of IEM. Even Proleague, the last bastion of INnoVation's might, was invaded—and as he stopped performing his spots became less secure. The worst part of this slide is that INnoVation isn't even suffering from some kind of unfavorable meta; rather it's his mechanics, his very identity, that is suffering. Against Life in the GSL and Losira in Proleague, INnoVation's mechanics were abysmal for his standards; his splits were non existent and his engagements poor. It was as if Dream had siphoned all of his elder's power for himself. INnoVation's TvZ woes have extended to his TvP as well, which is worrisome for the machine. Fortunately for him the protoss in this group aren't the most illustrious, so if he keeps his wits about him he still has a chance of advancing as long as he doesn't have another bad day.

You could say that (P)Creator has been in a massive slump since the launch of HotS, but that wouldn't be accurate. A slump implies a temporary pothole, but this almost looks like he's dug himself a grave. The HephaisToss, known for his trademark double forge styles and carefully crafted builds, was unable to adapt with the times. The new gateway-centric options, pioneered by sOs, Rain and StarDust offered protoss greater flexibility in both aggression and macro. Creator was unable to adapt quick enough; his defensive style was left in the dust as the protoss race steamed ahead. Initially he was able to keep his Code S status, but he was soon stuck in Code A and then in 2014 he fell to Code B. He has been unable to return, until now. The hardship of the last few months and the weight of PRIME on his shoulders changed Creator in ways we hadn't expected. He abandoned his safe macro play and embraced cheese, often surprising his much more accomplished KeSPA opponents in Proleague with blink all-ins, dark templars or immortal busts. It has been a long and painful journey of transformation but it seems to have finally payed off as Creator has qualified for both GSL and S2SL. Despite already being eliminated by Classic in S2SL, Creator triumphed over Soulkey, marking his Code S return after 742 days. Creator's chances are surprisingly good here, as both his terran opponents are in questionable form and Panic isn't the most accomplished of players.

There isn't much more to say regarding (T)Bomber than what we said last time. He seems to have gone rather inactive, not participating in any online cups and neglecting qualifiers. His most recent foray into the KeSPA Cup qualifier went poorly: he lost to PenguiN and then Zoun. Even before that he seemed to struggle, getting eliminated in rather unceremonious fashion by TY and YongHwa and then barely defeating Shine to return to Code S. If the trend continues Bomber could struggle in this GSL, but he should never be counted out. When on form Bomber is one of the best terrans in the world, capable of going toe to toe and defeating anyone with endless tides of marines. This group is also sufficiently volatile that with proper preparation Bomber could certainly make it out.

Choya has done wonders at revitalizing careers. He took a rag tag group of B-teamers, reformed MVP with them and helped half reach Code S. Whatever black magic Choya is using it seems to be working, and while Losira and YongHwa have been the most obvious beneficiaries, the rookies have also benefited. Flying under the radar for most has been (P)Panic. The old StarTale rookie always showed promise, qualifying for GSL a handful of times only to be sent reeling back to Code A or B. Recently though, Choya's voodoo has started to take hold, as Panic was sent out 3 times against TerrOr, Billowy and Flash and managed to defeat them all. Impressive as that may be, the Bo1 format of Proleague is a poor indicator of how a player will do in individual leagues. Thus the shock was even bigger when Panic managed to overcome Trap, someone rated much higher than he is, in a close 3-2 series. Panic looks better than ever, but Code S is a different beast. Even in a group of slumping veterans I don't give him much of a chance, but I still wouldn't be very surprised to see him cause some upsets.

Overall Thoughts and Predictions:
Despite not showing many results I peg Bomber as the favorite here. The past few months have merely been one of those cool down periods before he explodes back onto the scene stronger then ever. Next I expect Creator to make it, unless INnoVation has rediscovered his mojo. Without his mechanics, he won't go far in Code S, I expect Creator to be desperate enough to defeat him in PvT and Panic in a PvP. Expect this group to be dirty, because every single one will do whatever it takes to get by.

INnoVation < Creator
Bomber > Panic
Bomber > Creator
INnoVation < Panic
Creator > Panic

(T)Bomber and (P)Creator to advance.

Writers: Destructicon.
Editors: lichter.
Graphics: shiroiusagi.
Photo: GOMeXP.
Stats: Aligulac
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
May 06 2015 02:05 GMT
#2
Creator's PvT is merely decent, and that isn't enough to hold off Inno. Whether Bomber is good enough to succeed, that alone decides the tone of this group.
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EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
May 06 2015 02:05 GMT
#3
BLASPHEMY, INNO NO ADVANCE?

Seriously though, Creator might be in good form as his matches against Soulkey were decent, but I honestly don't see him beating Inno in PvT.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
May 06 2015 02:10 GMT
#4
Lol Creator will not beat Innovation.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 06 2015 02:14 GMT
#5
Inno will just kill Creator with scv pulls I think
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covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
May 06 2015 02:16 GMT
#6
Innovation to lose to everyone? WOOT!!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 06 2015 02:18 GMT
#7
Wow, Bogus going down to Creator AND Panic? I dunno Kev..
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 06 2015 02:20 GMT
#8
On May 06 2015 11:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Wow, Bogus going down to Creator AND Panic? I dunno Kev..

Panic 100% win rate vs Innovation in tournaments. gg I'd be scared if I was an inno fan
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
May 06 2015 02:28 GMT
#9
me was thinking Inno and Panic, and more now that I read TL predictions
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
May 06 2015 02:28 GMT
#10
On May 06 2015 11:20 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 11:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Wow, Bogus going down to Creator AND Panic? I dunno Kev..

Panic 100% win rate vs Innovation in tournaments. gg I'd be scared if I was an inno fan


You could almost say that you'd be panicking
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 06 2015 02:37 GMT
#11
On May 06 2015 11:28 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 11:20 Shellshock wrote:
On May 06 2015 11:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Wow, Bogus going down to Creator AND Panic? I dunno Kev..

Panic 100% win rate vs Innovation in tournaments. gg I'd be scared if I was an inno fan


You could almost say that you'd be panicking


booooooo this is why i don't let you write jokes
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Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
May 06 2015 02:46 GMT
#12
I really want to see what Bomber's TvP looks like these days. Innovation is seeming more and more like the Bomber of old lately; sometimes he plays on fire and wrecks everyone and you wonder why you ever doubted him, then sometimes he makes really silly decisions and loses. I'd be surprised to see him fall out vs Creator and Panic though.
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wstubzi
Profile Joined February 2015
New Zealand224 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-06 03:52:40
May 06 2015 02:50 GMT
#13
Ridiculous. I actually think it's disrespectful to not predict INno to not advance. This is GSL, he always does good in GSL. He has proved himself far enough to warrant this prediction to be seen as nothing more than a joke. Just because he has dropped some games recently you predict this? what nonsense. You should be ashamed.
AKAvg
Profile Joined April 2014
Brazil298 Posts
May 06 2015 03:01 GMT
#14
On May 06 2015 11:50 wstubzi wrote:
Ridiculous. I actually think it's disrespectful to not predict INno to not advance. This he GSL, he always does good in GSL. He has proved himself far enough to warrant this prediction to be seen as nothing more than a joke. Just because he has dropped some games recently you predict this? what nonsense. You should be ashamed as a StarCraft fan.


I take you're a INnoVation fan .

Yes he did prove himself, there was a time he was on top of nearly everyone, but most of that was abusing the pre nerf hellbat.
I can see he going through and winning against Panic and Creator, but still far form granted.
Year, he won GSL, but so did Sniper...
Roadog
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1670 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-06 04:27:25
May 06 2015 03:48 GMT
#15
I think Inno will blow up Creator with mines and SCVs. I know Bo1s aren't great indicators of skill, but just 2 months ago Creator was blown up in back-to-back weeks by mines by Inno and Flash.






He hasn't played a televised game against Terran since. I'm still not convinced Creator's form PvT is much better than what he showed in those games.

On May 06 2015 13:18 AxiomBlurr wrote:
yeah Creator beating Inno here is unlikely I feel. But I will be rooting for the ForgeToss for sure!


Yes; despite what I've said I'll be cheering for Creator too ^^

I haven't heard of "HephaisToss" before. Clever.
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wstubzi
Profile Joined February 2015
New Zealand224 Posts
May 06 2015 03:56 GMT
#16
On May 06 2015 12:01 AKAvg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 11:50 wstubzi wrote:
Ridiculous. I actually think it's disrespectful to not predict INno to not advance. This he GSL, he always does good in GSL. He has proved himself far enough to warrant this prediction to be seen as nothing more than a joke. Just because he has dropped some games recently you predict this? what nonsense. You should be ashamed as a StarCraft fan.


I take you're a INnoVation fan .

Yes he did prove himself, there was a time he was on top of nearly everyone, but most of that was abusing the pre nerf hellbat.
I can see he going through and winning against Panic and Creator, but still far form granted.
Year, he won GSL, but so did Sniper...


Honestly I'm not that big of a fan of INno, I like to watch more exciting players.
Not too long ago people were still calling him the best Terran in the world.
Why someone would predict Panic to beat him is beyond me. Even Creator is quite the stretch.
So he lost some games to Stats and Byul recently, and perhaps a few other players. These guys are on top of the world at the moment too, it's understandable he will have losses. I feel he has proved himself faaar more than the likes of Panic though...
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
May 06 2015 04:18 GMT
#17
yeah Creator beating Inno here is unlikely I feel. But I will be rooting for the ForgeToss for sure!
MoonyD
Profile Joined December 2013
Australia191 Posts
May 06 2015 04:44 GMT
#18
Can't imagine Creator beating Innovation given how poorly he has been performing when it comes to defending against mine drops and multi-prong attacks.

Will be interested to see how far Panic can make it this season. It's always refreshing to see a new player make it to Code S Ro32.
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Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
May 06 2015 04:47 GMT
#19
ok... what... Bomber > Innovation? i dont think so...
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tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
May 06 2015 04:52 GMT
#20
If innovation makes doesn't make it out I will be surprised
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