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2v2levels
Profile Joined December 2012
United States88 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-18 04:13:01
October 18 2015 03:41 GMT
#581
On October 03 2015 11:05 ProTech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 10:46 dAPhREAk wrote:
i havent seen you be the ass you were when we played in WoL, but i am not sure you have matured as your own stream thread shows.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/user-streams/202566-stream-protech?page=33#657

also, when you were last unfeatured, i remember you talking about how it was better for you money wise to not be featured. what happened there?


furthermore, things have changed quite a bit on my channel, and as per what teamliquid is looking for my channel is right up their ally, creating youtube content for people, and offering a high level educational channel, not to mention having the numbers required in both active paying subscribers and concurrent viewer count.


So you don't leave games at the start and backstab people based on them being hackers / cheaters anymore (which is basically everyone to you)?

Because I'm pretty sure you do.

Also, you aren't even good anymore. You've been playing gold league 2v2 players on smurfs and unranked for so long you've lost it all. It's a shame. There are many better players.
A jack of all trades is a master of none.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 20 2015 07:49 GMT
#582
Bad News

We've decided to unfeature and disable the streams of YoDa and B4. I think the reason is obvious. Any player caught in this matchfixing scandal and found guilty will have their stream disabled indefinitely.

Good News

A new featured stream! Mcanning, or Matt.C on TL. Grandmaster protoss, great commentary, and a really good guy. Definitely watch his stream if you wanna learn about protoss.

Other News

We will probably reassess other streamers (unfeatured, defeatured, or banned) as LotV comes around. We might also revisit featured stream requirements. We'll see how LotV affects numbers across the board.
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bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
October 20 2015 07:54 GMT
#583
You said "this" matchfixing scandal. Should this be interpreted as a policy that all matchfixers will be defeatured? Does this apply to BW as well?
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 20 2015 13:05 GMT
#584
This is only for SC2
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Dickbutt
Profile Joined May 2015
Korea (North)129 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 07:08:53
October 22 2015 07:07 GMT
#585
Feature Winter because he can say he's not botting

Ban B4 and YoDa for scandals

Don't ban BW streamers that did the same thing

k

EDIT: I'm not saying remove all of them, I'm saying keep them. The Winter thing is just bitching, but you can't ban B4 and YoDa for scandals and not ban the BW players cause they both did the same damn thing.
스타일, 스타트, 스베누!
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 07:21:35
October 22 2015 07:21 GMT
#586
On October 22 2015 16:07 Dickbutt wrote:
Feature Winter because he can say he's not botting

Ban B4 and YoDa for scandals

Don't ban BW streamers that did the same thing

k

EDIT: I'm not saying remove all of them, I'm saying keep them. The Winter thing is just bitching, but you can't ban B4 and YoDa for scandals and not ban the BW players cause they both did the same damn thing.


it's just beyond the scope of this thread so i didn't make a pronouncement on it. however, savior was unlisted when he started streaming; so yes he was banned. i believe the others were also unlisted, but that was from way back.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
October 22 2015 11:07 GMT
#587
On October 22 2015 16:07 Dickbutt wrote:
Feature Winter because he can say he's not botting

Ban B4 and YoDa for scandals

Don't ban BW streamers that did the same thing

k

EDIT: I'm not saying remove all of them, I'm saying keep them. The Winter thing is just bitching, but you can't ban B4 and YoDa for scandals and not ban the BW players cause they both did the same damn thing.


Are you comparing Alleged viewbot vs prooved match fixing ?
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Dickbutt
Profile Joined May 2015
Korea (North)129 Posts
October 22 2015 11:24 GMT
#588
On October 22 2015 20:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 16:07 Dickbutt wrote:
Feature Winter because he can say he's not botting

Ban B4 and YoDa for scandals

Don't ban BW streamers that did the same thing

k

EDIT: I'm not saying remove all of them, I'm saying keep them. The Winter thing is just bitching, but you can't ban B4 and YoDa for scandals and not ban the BW players cause they both did the same damn thing.


Are you comparing Alleged viewbot vs prooved match fixing ?

Thanks for reading the edit
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varsovie
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada326 Posts
October 22 2015 14:17 GMT
#589
On October 22 2015 16:07 Dickbutt wrote:
Feature Winter because he can say he's not botting

Ban B4 and YoDa for scandals

Don't ban BW streamers that did the same thing

k

EDIT: I'm not saying remove all of them, I'm saying keep them. The Winter thing is just bitching, but you can't ban B4 and YoDa for scandals and not ban the BW players cause they both did the same damn thing.




I do not think this makes (a good) precedence in any rate.
ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
October 22 2015 14:36 GMT
#590
Yes! I'm so glad Matt-C is featured. He so deserves it.
It's better aerodynamics for space. - Artosis
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 22 2015 14:42 GMT
#591
That will surely show them
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
October 22 2015 16:00 GMT
#592
good to see mcanning featured at any rate
Creator of sc2unmasked.com
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16086 Posts
October 22 2015 16:29 GMT
#593
On October 22 2015 20:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 16:07 Dickbutt wrote:
Feature Winter because he can say he's not botting

Ban B4 and YoDa for scandals

Don't ban BW streamers that did the same thing

k

EDIT: I'm not saying remove all of them, I'm saying keep them. The Winter thing is just bitching, but you can't ban B4 and YoDa for scandals and not ban the BW players cause they both did the same damn thing.


Are you comparing Alleged viewbot vs prooved match fixing ?

Isn't it basically the same? getting undeserved money through cheating?
I know there isn't any hard evidence that winter botted himself and thus he can't be punished (like MK) but if he did it would be equally bad as match fixing.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
October 23 2015 00:46 GMT
#594
On October 23 2015 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 20:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 22 2015 16:07 Dickbutt wrote:
Feature Winter because he can say he's not botting

Ban B4 and YoDa for scandals

Don't ban BW streamers that did the same thing

k

EDIT: I'm not saying remove all of them, I'm saying keep them. The Winter thing is just bitching, but you can't ban B4 and YoDa for scandals and not ban the BW players cause they both did the same damn thing.


Are you comparing Alleged viewbot vs prooved match fixing ?

Isn't it basically the same? getting undeserved money through cheating?
I know there isn't any hard evidence that winter botted himself and thus he can't be punished (like MK) but if he did it would be equally bad as match fixing.

The main problem with match fixing isn't that the players get money. The problem is that the integrity of the games is compromised, and viewers wont know if a player is losing because they are crap or because they are paid to. Which discourages viewers and kills E-SPORTS and the world as we know it.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-23 08:51:48
October 23 2015 08:49 GMT
#595
On October 23 2015 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 20:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 22 2015 16:07 Dickbutt wrote:
Feature Winter because he can say he's not botting

Ban B4 and YoDa for scandals

Don't ban BW streamers that did the same thing

k

EDIT: I'm not saying remove all of them, I'm saying keep them. The Winter thing is just bitching, but you can't ban B4 and YoDa for scandals and not ban the BW players cause they both did the same damn thing.


Are you comparing Alleged viewbot vs prooved match fixing ?

Isn't it basically the same? getting undeserved money through cheating?
I know there isn't any hard evidence that winter botted himself and thus he can't be punished (like MK) but if he did it would be equally bad as match fixing.


Well depends on how you look at it but having "fake viewers" just boost you up. When you watch a tournament or a stream you don't really care 'cause you go full screen and watch. It's like you watch a movie and the channel said : "There was 4 millions people watching" while in truth you were the only one. But you did watch so in the end there's no impact.

While i don't agree that botting is a good thing and if it was truly the case i would agree with a ban.

Matchfixing doesn't include a streamer but a player. Someone with a fan base, people come and pay to watch them play. Be it the price of the ticket or the price you pay to come to the studio. And it's not like it's a small issue since there is organized crime behind it and legal matters that can put you into jail.

So in the end it's like comparing a con man to a band of organized thief. (Or if you want a more goofy comparison it's like comparing a woman with makeup with extreme photoshop) That's why i don't like the comparison. But maybe it's just me.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States491 Posts
November 15 2015 15:00 GMT
#596
On October 23 2015 01:29 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 20:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 22 2015 16:07 Dickbutt wrote:
Feature Winter because he can say he's not botting

Ban B4 and YoDa for scandals

Don't ban BW streamers that did the same thing

k

EDIT: I'm not saying remove all of them, I'm saying keep them. The Winter thing is just bitching, but you can't ban B4 and YoDa for scandals and not ban the BW players cause they both did the same damn thing.


Are you comparing Alleged viewbot vs prooved match fixing ?

Isn't it basically the same? getting undeserved money through cheating?
I know there isn't any hard evidence that winter botted himself and thus he can't be punished (like MK) but if he did it would be equally bad as match fixing.



There is no proof or evidence that winter used a bot on his channel. If there were, he would have been banned. Proof includes actual transactions from the player to the bot vendor ( search EggySC2 for how a person gets banned on twitch for view botting ) If you don't piss off the vendor there is literally no way you can prove that person was in fact viewbotting their channel.

People don't donate based on viewer count, they donate based on the content.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3533 Posts
December 03 2015 17:05 GMT
#597
Can we get Firecake featured? he's streaming right now.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 18:16:39
January 11 2016 18:16 GMT
#598
Any reconsidering the decision to feature Winter given new evidence of continued wrongdoing?
Creator of sc2unmasked.com
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 11 2016 18:18 GMT
#599
The evidence we've seen more or less conclusively shows he has a legitimate viewer base above our threshold. It's beyond our scope to determine whether he's viewbotting or not given we know that there is a (very) sizeable legitimate viewership. If Twitch or Blizzard were to take action, we would as well. Really, determining the truth of the matter is a burden that twitch should assume not TL.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States491 Posts
January 13 2016 01:43 GMT
#600
Name: ProTech www.twitch.tv/protech
Achievements: PTSL Season #2 Champion / Rank 1 Ladder champion 15+ seasons 2v2 AT / RT
Average Viewership: 200 ~ 500
Paying Subscribers: 210
Followers: 23,086
Channel Views: 25,784,033
Time Broadcast: 20,217 hours over a stretch of 6 years.

Requesting a featured slot, thanks.

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