EPTStill prefer it the most out of all mirrors.
[Poll] Which mirror matchup is more fun to watch? - Page 4
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padiseal2
Austria721 Posts
Still prefer it the most out of all mirrors. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
ZvZ is only roaches, I think? PvP is whoever loses the coin flip between DTs, Blink and Detection, I guess? | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
1 base vs 1 base, while pvp on a big map always means a macro game, less common macro games on map that lesser, but still msc gives some huge depth to pvp, while tvt lacks of such core unit | ||
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dehydrogenaza
Poland122 Posts
"Knife fight" ZvZ > "old-style" macro TvT >>> modern PvP > modern "banshee/drops/bo win" TvT > modern Roach vs Roach. The unpopular (I guess) part is my deep love for the insane, micro-crazy ZvZs of yore (well they still happen every now and then, but not as often). I mean, *yes*, they are horribly frustrating to *play*, but I loved watching them and this question after all refers to *watching* so the choice is obvious for me... Apart from that, some of the most memorable games were TvTs, especially mech vs bio and to a (slightly) lesser extent mech vs mech. But I feel that nowadays those are gone as the meta shifted towards difficult to scout, yet deadly timings and semi-all-ins which usually end the game too quickly for any interesting positional play to unfold. In fact, I quite dislike TvTs now. Recent PvPs are surprisingly good, with a good mixture of strategic play, special tactics and straight out gorgonzola. As for the old PvPs I used to dislike them as most people, but now that I think about them, I start feeling nostalgic for the 4gate... ;-P | ||
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Alchemik
Poland7124 Posts
ZvZ because there's literally no randomness in the match-up, early game is scouting and micro-intensive, while the mid-game is basically everything else PvP can be pretty interesting lately and TvT always bores me | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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Elentos
55510 Posts
On March 15 2015 22:11 Heartland wrote: 24% of all TL accounts are DLO bots? 24% aren't interested in roach wars and liked TvT better when it wasn't 1-base bs into 2-base bs into doom drop  . | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
TvT - Seems really slow and boring and always seem to be decided with a banshee these days . . oh cant scan free kills guess u win then cos i didnt build that ebay, guess ill have to blind build struc next time Pvp - Can be really good if they do the exact same thing to each other or a micro type of fight to decide . . not the ball of toss tho, unlike zerg you seem to just beable to engage anywhere just make sure u focus the right stuff. . . . and have more stuff! | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
ZvZ has best earlygame, TvT best midgame, PvP best lategame. | ||
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Nezgar
Germany534 Posts
On March 15 2015 21:41 Ej_ wrote: ZvZ because there's no bullshit build order wins and your macro, army positioning and multitasking matter greatly. People seem to forget that we experienced a great deal of ZvZ build order losses in both SPL and WCS with even the players admitting that a lot of the times the opening will decide the early game - which is the part where you don't have any information about your enemy yet. The Carbot video of ZvZ explained pretty good why I dislike that matchup the most out of all. Oh, and the end of WoL still has me traumatized. TvT used to be great but all I'm seeing lately is 1 base bullshit with boosting speedvacs, widowmines and cloaked banshees. Reminds me a lot of PvP but without the huge selection of viable openings. Would've voted for TvT if it were still those long macro slugfests. "Oh, he boosted his whole army into his opponents main and now wins" is just not exciting anymore. Voted for PvP in the end due to its many mindgames, crazy tactics and the fact that even when it is proxy vs. proxy it still get extremely exciting because every unit counts and the micro potential is insane. PartinG vs. Classic at IEM Taipei is a good example of that. The games are always on a razor's edge the whole way through when 2 good players meet. I usually watch SC2 tournaments on my 2nd monitor while doing other stuff. A good way to judge how exciting a matchup for me is to take note how much time I spend watching my 2nd monitor. Apart from the first few minutes I constantly watch a PvP since it is so volatile, thus creating a lot of tension that leaves me at the edge of my seat. In TvT there are plenty of situations where I just don't watch my 2nd monitor at all for a couple minutes because players are just moving their stuff around the map or are building up their army and turtle. And well... I have taken a shower and cooked dinner during ZvZ games so I guess that tells the whole story. | ||
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Alchemik
Poland7124 Posts
On March 15 2015 23:57 Nezgar wrote: People seem to forget that we experienced a great deal of ZvZ build order losses in both SPL and WCS with even the players admitting that a lot of the times the opening will decide the early game - which is the part where you don't have any information about your enemy yet. Kane said it was random and there was no skill in the early game, yes. and then TLO called him out on Twitter and said he'd hold 7/10 times with the same opening and also PiG disagreed with Kane later on in an interview | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On March 15 2015 09:24 Elentos wrote: TvT is shit to play, but I'd rather try than leave instantly <.< On March 15 2015 21:42 bartus88 wrote: In terms of playing TvT is the worst by a looong shot. It is the only matchup in the game I truly despise to play. I'm surprised, tvt is one of my favourite matchups. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
The early game "randomness" is due to Zerg often goes hatch first, which isn't safe against everything on early game, and on 3 or 4 players maps a lucky scout can make a big difference. Pool 15, scouting, adaptating and you can deals with everything. If you watch pro level ZvZ it's a brain game, they skip things to be greedy or they bait agression, or hidd all-in. Everyone try to get a small advantage, take calculated risk. Casual players or people who doesn't play ZvZ at a correct level, just see some all-in beating someone, and imagine it's just random luck and can't be counter, or when someone has more roach, just say : "it's just suck, no gosu micro", without understanding why someone has more roachs. It's more a strategic show a pleasure for mind, rather than "entertaining MU, fun to watch". | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Biedrik
United States94 Posts
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KrOmander
United Kingdom78 Posts
On March 16 2015 00:56 Biedrik wrote: Nowadays, I think it's PvP. It makes me sad that so many people are still mentally stuck in WoL and ignore all the great PvP series we've had in the past year (herO vs. Rain, PartinG vs. Classic, herO vs. MC, etc.). The mind games are especially cool. More than most other MUs, you get to see the two players mentally wrestling with each other like in a game of poker. There's just so much strategy going on in a very visible way. I enjoy it a lot more than watching roaches puking at each other, or the constant doom/drop early game nonsense that has consumed TvT recently. I have not watched much PvP in the last six months or so, but when I was last watching the scene actively there was a lot of build order loses in PvP and end game battles were mostly lousy Collussi wars with both players scared shitless to take an engagement on. Has improved since WoL days so definitely agree there and I have seen some good PvP games with a lot of strategy going on. | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
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A_Scarecrow
Australia721 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On March 16 2015 01:14 rebuffering wrote: I love watching TvT the most. But man, i cannot stand playing TvT right now, its physically painful to play it. "Oh you doom dropped me while i was walking out of my natural?, gg". So gross. Play Goody Mech and spam turrets... It is true, playing TvT is extremly hard, because minimalst mistakes make you lose like you are waaaay below the skill of your enemy. But it is so entertaining to watch, even the 1-1-1 shenanigans | ||
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