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[Poll] Which mirror matchup is more fun to watch?

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SamuelGreen
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden292 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 22:44:33
March 14 2015 22:21 GMT
#1
Okay, so I and a friend had a discussion about what matchups were the best and most popular among the community.

From reading threads and listening to casts I had the impression that a certain mirror is more liked than the others by the community, but he was of the opinion that I am wrong!

So, to settle this I wanted to make a little poll and see: what matchup does people like seeing more? This is even more relevant since we will have PvP in IEM, TvT in NSSL and maybe another PvP in GSL!

Endless sieging tanks?

Laser wars?

Swarmhosts vs swarmhosts?

I want to have a discussion, but also vote in this poll.

Poll: Most fun mirror?

TvT (368)
 
64%

Pvp (130)
 
22%

ZvZ (81)
 
14%

579 total votes

Your vote: Most fun mirror?

(Vote): TvT
(Vote): Pvp
(Vote): ZvZ




ps. I did search for this but I did not find anything relevant, so if I missed some recent poll, my bad.

Edit. Changed a bit of text.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
March 14 2015 22:26 GMT
#2
I find Zerg vs Zerg to be the most stable, but I think TvT has the most depth to it. So, I like TvT the most.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 22:31:08
March 14 2015 22:30 GMT
#3
Currently? The average TvT and PvP are about even, but TvT has the potential to rival TvZ for the best matchup in sc2.

Only sOs vs Zest has come close to that in terms of PvP.

ZvZ is currently the weakest matchup, but still very underrated. It seems to be on the ups lately with more players using mutas again. I doubt it'll recover its WoL luster again though.

TvT > PvP > ZvZ
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 22:34:39
March 14 2015 22:32 GMT
#4
PvP when Zest in his prime plays it is a wonderful thing, especially against the likes of $O$ and Rain who were practically even with him, so I might vote for that. TvT is annoying currently. If neither player dies to early aggression, one will go for a doom drop and either make or break. If more people went mech in TvT (which was exceedingly more common last year <.<), it can get much better, but it's not happening right now.

And ZvZ, well, I don't like looking at it (visual distaste, is all), but it's not bad <.<.

EDIT: Also, as a Terran, I take great liking to Protosses doing Protoss bullshit to other Protosses.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
SamuelGreen
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden292 Posts
March 14 2015 22:33 GMT
#5
I'm not going to give my opinion this early but it's interesting reading your opinions! Although, it would be optimal if all had equal distributions of players liking them!
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 14 2015 22:34 GMT
#6
Not this again. + Show Spoiler +
TvT best mirror
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
March 14 2015 22:35 GMT
#7
As a random player:
To watch and to play are complete opposites for me. Tvt most fun to watch, Zvz most fun to play, Pvp in the middle of both.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
March 14 2015 22:38 GMT
#8
In general, anything with Terran is more exciting to watch.
T P Z sagi
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
March 14 2015 22:41 GMT
#9
dat TL community bias
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Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 22:42:44
March 14 2015 22:42 GMT
#10
ZvZ obviously
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
March 14 2015 22:42 GMT
#11
Poll threads are agaisnt TL rules arent they?
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
March 14 2015 22:42 GMT
#12
Graphic description of a zvz:

Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
SamuelGreen
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden292 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 22:45:13
March 14 2015 22:43 GMT
#13
I am so sorry, tbf, I thought I had read the rules but I must have missed that (when I searched for threads I founds some so I just assumed they were allowed). I'll remake it into a discussion, with a poll added :-)

Edit - If a mod could change [P] to [D] (for discussion or something)
leny100
Profile Joined May 2012
20 Posts
March 14 2015 22:48 GMT
#14
You might as well make topic called "what race do you play".
How appropriate. You fight like a cow.
SamuelGreen
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden292 Posts
March 14 2015 22:49 GMT
#15
On March 15 2015 07:48 leny100 wrote:
You might as well make topic called "what race do you play".


Do you think so? Because judging from the votes then, veeeery few players play protoss and zerg.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 14 2015 22:52 GMT
#16
On March 15 2015 07:48 leny100 wrote:
You might as well make topic called "what race do you play".

I'm switching to zerg.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
March 14 2015 22:54 GMT
#17
Unnecessary poll completely.
We all know which is the best.
Freelancer veteran
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
March 14 2015 22:57 GMT
#18
TvT, though it's a lot less interesting than it was in WoL.
In Somnis Veritas
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
March 14 2015 22:57 GMT
#19
On March 15 2015 07:52 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:48 leny100 wrote:
You might as well make topic called "what race do you play".

I'm switching to zerg.


Wrong choice
rip passion
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
March 14 2015 23:05 GMT
#20
For me it is:
TvT: Players usually go dirty in early game bringing action very fast, but the game ususally goes up to the mid game, because even with a disadvantage, one dirty engagement can bring you on top. Marine tank fights are freaking fast and freaking deadly bringing a chess like siege and unsiege movment chaos. Also with the use of mech and Hellbetblurb on Bio, the TvT brings the fun up.

Behind TvT, we have PvP. Game gets dirty right after both dropped their core. You see a 2 gate fast expand nowhere this time, it is stargate, blink or just 3 gates and the games go quick. For me it is very pleasend to see a protoss die to protoss early shenanigans, but the games are usually to quick. When one player took high amount of damage, there is no way of comeback and game is over. Also stalkers snowball really hard, so once someone has a certain amount of stalkers more then his enemy, the game is usually over. When the PvP comes to a macrogame, the game can be great. Its not LASERZZZZWARZZZ only, using stormdrops, archons, phoenix and tempest makes the game interesting. And i love to see how one of the protoss guys micros his colossos so bad, that his enemy wrecks him in a fight like nothing.

Behind all this, waaaaays behind, we have ZvZ. ZvZ has a small timing window for great action, it is called the ling-bling-dance. There are games where both partys say "no aggression till roaches" or when someone has a solid 2base 2queen+evo chambers wall, ZvZ becomes boring as fuck and startes into the roach war. Roaches are slow, they have high hp to damage ratio and their fights take ages and allways the attacking players loses them if he has not 30+ supply lead. And when someplayer teches, like mutas or infestors, he usually gets overroached while sporecrawlers are fucking op against muta. I mean 45 damage with one shot? This kills muta so hard and 2 base mutas take ages to kill roaches which wreck you base in that time. Or the other player just gets hydras, spores are to strong anyway.

To sum it up for me:
TvZ>TvT>PvP>PvZ>TvP>ZvZ.

And I do not play SC II anymore, i watch it all day.
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