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[Poll] Which mirror matchup is more fun to watch? - Page 2

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HewTheTitan
Profile Joined February 2015
Canada331 Posts
March 14 2015 23:11 GMT
#21
On March 15 2015 07:42 Apoteosis wrote:
Graphic description of a zvz:



please move this to the OP. It makes the thread worth reading.
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
March 14 2015 23:12 GMT
#22
On March 15 2015 07:42 Apoteosis wrote:
Graphic description of a zvz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S69rgaSicMM


Burst in laughs there ahahahaha.
:3
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
March 14 2015 23:13 GMT
#23
I'm probably even on TvT and PvP now. TvT hasn't been much fun lately, 1/1/1 into doom drops into gg. Haven't had any epic games like Flash vs Bbyong at Shoutcraft in awhile.

PvP has so many mindgames and when it's two top tier PvPers playing it can be fantastic.

I'm glad mutas are coming back into ZvZ more of late, but I still hate Roach wars.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 23:17:28
March 14 2015 23:16 GMT
#24
On March 15 2015 08:13 Phredxor wrote:
I'm probably even on TvT and PvP now. TvT hasn't been much fun lately, 1/1/1 into doom drops into gg. Haven't had any epic games like Flash vs Bbyong at Shoutcraft in awhile.

PvP has so many mindgames and when it's two top tier PvPers playing it can be fantastic.

I'm glad mutas are coming back into ZvZ more of late, but I still hate Roach wars.

Flash vs TaeJa at IEM Toronto was after Sandisk Shoutcraft, right? The game on Merry Go Round is very good. Also series like INno vs Cure (Code S semi) and Bomber vs Cure (I think at one of the Redbull events?) were better than what we currently get because more mech vs bio.
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KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
March 14 2015 23:17 GMT
#25
PvP has even too many mindgames... I suppose for a viewer it can be fun to see both players go insane trying to guess which tech his opponent is going for and whether or not he is expanding, but if you play it you fully realize how frustrating it is. Most games are decided by random factors more than skill. Midgame is better though than it was in WoL.
Voted for ZvZ because of that, it seems like it's the most balanced matchup of all 3.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 14 2015 23:19 GMT
#26
On March 15 2015 08:16 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 08:13 Phredxor wrote:
I'm probably even on TvT and PvP now. TvT hasn't been much fun lately, 1/1/1 into doom drops into gg. Haven't had any epic games like Flash vs Bbyong at Shoutcraft in awhile.

PvP has so many mindgames and when it's two top tier PvPers playing it can be fantastic.

I'm glad mutas are coming back into ZvZ more of late, but I still hate Roach wars.

Flash vs TaeJa at IEM Toronto was after Sandisk Shoutcraft, right? The game on Merry Go Round is very good. Also series like INno vs Cure (Code S semi) and Bomber vs Cure (I think at one of the Redbull events?) were better than what we currently get because more mech vs bio.

Marinelord vs ForGG happened last month I think.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
March 14 2015 23:25 GMT
#27
I used to really like tvt but then everyone realised how strong one base stuff and now its just hellions, mines, banshees and medivacs turboing around... marine tank vs marine tank or mech is still really good.
I would rather eat than see my children starve.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 14 2015 23:27 GMT
#28
On March 15 2015 08:19 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 08:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 15 2015 08:13 Phredxor wrote:
I'm probably even on TvT and PvP now. TvT hasn't been much fun lately, 1/1/1 into doom drops into gg. Haven't had any epic games like Flash vs Bbyong at Shoutcraft in awhile.

PvP has so many mindgames and when it's two top tier PvPers playing it can be fantastic.

I'm glad mutas are coming back into ZvZ more of late, but I still hate Roach wars.

Flash vs TaeJa at IEM Toronto was after Sandisk Shoutcraft, right? The game on Merry Go Round is very good. Also series like INno vs Cure (Code S semi) and Bomber vs Cure (I think at one of the Redbull events?) were better than what we currently get because more mech vs bio.

Marinelord vs ForGG happened last month I think.

Unfortunately didn't get to see it :/
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 14 2015 23:41 GMT
#29
On March 15 2015 08:27 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 08:19 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 15 2015 08:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 15 2015 08:13 Phredxor wrote:
I'm probably even on TvT and PvP now. TvT hasn't been much fun lately, 1/1/1 into doom drops into gg. Haven't had any epic games like Flash vs Bbyong at Shoutcraft in awhile.

PvP has so many mindgames and when it's two top tier PvPers playing it can be fantastic.

I'm glad mutas are coming back into ZvZ more of late, but I still hate Roach wars.

Flash vs TaeJa at IEM Toronto was after Sandisk Shoutcraft, right? The game on Merry Go Round is very good. Also series like INno vs Cure (Code S semi) and Bomber vs Cure (I think at one of the Redbull events?) were better than what we currently get because more mech vs bio.

Marinelord vs ForGG happened last month I think.

Unfortunately didn't get to see it :/

Here it is.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 14 2015 23:45 GMT
#30
On March 15 2015 08:41 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 08:27 Elentos wrote:
On March 15 2015 08:19 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 15 2015 08:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 15 2015 08:13 Phredxor wrote:
I'm probably even on TvT and PvP now. TvT hasn't been much fun lately, 1/1/1 into doom drops into gg. Haven't had any epic games like Flash vs Bbyong at Shoutcraft in awhile.

PvP has so many mindgames and when it's two top tier PvPers playing it can be fantastic.

I'm glad mutas are coming back into ZvZ more of late, but I still hate Roach wars.

Flash vs TaeJa at IEM Toronto was after Sandisk Shoutcraft, right? The game on Merry Go Round is very good. Also series like INno vs Cure (Code S semi) and Bomber vs Cure (I think at one of the Redbull events?) were better than what we currently get because more mech vs bio.

Marinelord vs ForGG happened last month I think.

Unfortunately didn't get to see it :/

Here it is.

Thanks.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13991 Posts
March 14 2015 23:45 GMT
#31
On March 15 2015 07:57 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 07:52 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 15 2015 07:48 leny100 wrote:
You might as well make topic called "what race do you play".

I'm switching to zerg.


Wrong choice

better than pvp believe me...im shit at both but at least zerg is way easier to be good at, so i race switched
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SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
March 14 2015 23:51 GMT
#32
TvT > TvZ > PvP > TvP > PvZ = ZvZ
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9279 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 23:58:38
March 14 2015 23:56 GMT
#33
I didn't vote because it depends on multiple factors. If it was a bo5 final/semifinal with some interesting backstory I'd say TvT as long as at least one of the players doesn't mech every time. If it's a lot TvTs in a row I quickly lose interest and then it's really hard to follow what's going on because I feel like this match up needs constant attention from the viewer, otherwise it just looks chaotic. In other mirrors you will have much easier time catching up with the game but this can be my subjective feeling.

If I had to watch mirrors whole day I'd choose either PvP or ZvZ depending on current meta. I like Roach wars better than stargate rock-paper-scissors but Archon Immortal timings are more interesting than Swarm Hosts or huge muta flocks.
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starslayer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States696 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-15 00:06:27
March 15 2015 00:04 GMT
#34
well this is ez TVT = marine tank vs marine tank, mech vs mech, bio vs mech, or skyterran vs mech
pvp = lasers
zvz = roachs

so yea TVT all day

and since everyone's doing it TvZ>TvT>PvZ>PvP>TvP>ZvZ
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
March 15 2015 00:06 GMT
#35
TvT > PvP > ZvZ (mostly)
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 15 2015 00:16 GMT
#36
I recently switched to terran from zerg. I hope none of you people saying TvT is the best matchup are any of the same people who instantly leave when you get a TvT
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
March 15 2015 00:18 GMT
#37
On March 15 2015 09:04 starslayer wrote:
well this is ez TVT = marine tank vs marine tank, mech vs mech, bio vs mech, or skyterran vs mech
pvp = lasers
zvz = roachs

so yea TVT all day

and since everyone's doing it TvZ>TvT>PvZ>PvP>TvP>ZvZ

TvT explosive shells everywhere
PvP lasers
ZvZ poison poison poison
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-15 00:24:58
March 15 2015 00:24 GMT
#38
On March 15 2015 09:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
I recently switched to terran from zerg. I hope none of you people saying TvT is the best matchup are any of the same people who instantly leave when you get a TvT

TvT is shit to play, but I'd rather try than leave instantly <.<
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
March 15 2015 00:29 GMT
#39
TvT most fun to watch but most frustrating to play. mainly because i go bio everygame which is like autolose against mech fi u don't win before 15 min
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
March 15 2015 00:29 GMT
#40
PvP is the best mu

Mirrors: PvP > TvT > ZvZ
All mu: PvP > TvZ > PvT > TvT|PvZ > ZvZ
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
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