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StarCraft II Ladder Update -- March 2, 2015 - Page 2

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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 19:25:38
March 02 2015 19:25 GMT
#21
On March 03 2015 04:19 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 04:14 Shtanjel wrote:
Cool, hopefully I won't be matched with a former master who has apparently the same skill as a gold-league scrub (me) anymore

Hahahahaha, I played an unranked game for the first time in ages and as a former master, I felt really bad because of what a trounce it was. Definitely a problem.

Leagues in unranked ladder matter even less than leagues in regular ladder. The problem isn't whatever league icon someone has. The problem is if the system is improperly matching people's MMR, and by extension, trying to figure out a way to possibly deal with smurfs or people tanking their rating.
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fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
March 02 2015 19:29 GMT
#22
I like, I like a lot.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3632 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 19:32:48
March 02 2015 19:32 GMT
#23
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.

Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 02 2015 19:32 GMT
#24
On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.

Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good.

This so much. Leagues will always create issues and shit. A pure number doesn't lie and is precise.
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CamoPillbox
Profile Joined April 2012
Czech Republic229 Posts
March 02 2015 19:36 GMT
#25
And cheaters can cheat still who need good mmr when barcode cheater is in 1 from 3 games....
Czech Terran(Hots) player
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16129 Posts
March 02 2015 19:46 GMT
#26
Removing MMR decay is wonderful news for me as it means that team games are actually playable again.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3632 Posts
March 02 2015 19:47 GMT
#27
On March 03 2015 04:32 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.

Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good.

This so much. Leagues will always create issues and shit. A pure number doesn't lie and is precise.

Additionally you could have separate Elo ratings for all the matchups.
My TvZ could be 2000, my TvT 1900 and my TvP 2100.
My PvT would be 1100 .
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 02 2015 19:50 GMT
#28
On March 03 2015 04:32 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.

Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good.

This so much. Leagues will always create issues and shit. A pure number doesn't lie and is precise.


my wet dream

i'd ladder just to look at those four numbers
maru lover forever
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 19:55:13
March 02 2015 19:53 GMT
#29
nvm
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
March 02 2015 20:04 GMT
#30
I'm not sure mmr decay has to totally go, but certainly be reduced, or capped at a lower total (you only get so much worse from not playing for a while)
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 20:21:25
March 02 2015 20:20 GMT
#31
At last. I hope I get that masters icon again ^^

EDIT :
On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.

Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.

quoted because it's pure common sense.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 20:23:27
March 02 2015 20:22 GMT
#32
On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.

Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.

I mean, this is basically what MMR is, no? It's just hidden. I don't really mind either way if it's hidden or not, I just want it to be accurate, and it sounds like they've potentially identified ways to make it more accurate.

Leagues are just a more visual/feel good way of measuring progress. Having just a number feels a lot more...clinical.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 02 2015 20:23 GMT
#33
On March 03 2015 05:22 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.

Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.

I mean, this is basically what MMR is, no? It's just hidden. I don't really mind either way if it's hidden or not, I just want it to be accurate, and it sounds like they've potentially identified ways to make it more accurate.

But why would you hid it?
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
March 02 2015 20:33 GMT
#34
On March 03 2015 05:23 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 05:22 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.

Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.

I mean, this is basically what MMR is, no? It's just hidden. I don't really mind either way if it's hidden or not, I just want it to be accurate, and it sounds like they've potentially identified ways to make it more accurate.

But why would you hid it?

Because in the end it doesn't matter what number/league/place you are, what matters is actually improving your play?

I mean, it doesn't bother me either way, but I can see why you would choose to hide the rating.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 02 2015 20:35 GMT
#35
On March 03 2015 05:33 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 05:23 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 03 2015 05:22 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.

Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.

I mean, this is basically what MMR is, no? It's just hidden. I don't really mind either way if it's hidden or not, I just want it to be accurate, and it sounds like they've potentially identified ways to make it more accurate.

But why would you hid it?

Because in the end it doesn't matter what number/league/place you are, what matters is actually improving your play?

I mean, it doesn't bother me either way, but I can see why you would choose to hide the rating.

Hmm yeah but having it showed would allow for, for example, more precise choices in practice partners.
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Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
March 02 2015 20:35 GMT
#36
On March 03 2015 05:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
At last. I hope I get that masters icon again ^^


so many people will be dissapointed after the changes
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
March 02 2015 20:40 GMT
#37
On March 03 2015 05:35 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 05:33 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 03 2015 05:23 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 03 2015 05:22 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.

Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.

I mean, this is basically what MMR is, no? It's just hidden. I don't really mind either way if it's hidden or not, I just want it to be accurate, and it sounds like they've potentially identified ways to make it more accurate.

But why would you hid it?

Because in the end it doesn't matter what number/league/place you are, what matters is actually improving your play?

I mean, it doesn't bother me either way, but I can see why you would choose to hide the rating.

Hmm yeah but having it showed would allow for, for example, more precise choices in practice partners.

This is probably the single best reason I've ever heard in favor of showing the rating.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 02 2015 20:45 GMT
#38
I opened the stream of iNcontroL and i saw Diamond vs Grand Master.

Yeah. Things needs to be done.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
sdnnvs
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil33 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 20:50:31
March 02 2015 20:45 GMT
#39
On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.

Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.


ELO ranking system is much more fair and robust. I like this idea...

Seé ELO in Age of Empires, community ranking system: http://aoe3.jpcommunity.com/rating2/
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 20:48:01
March 02 2015 20:47 GMT
#40
On March 03 2015 04:14 Shtanjel wrote:
Cool, hopefully I won't be matched with a former master who has apparently the same skill as a gold-league scrub (me) anymore



Being a former master (though only skill-wise diamond atm) player in MMR decay pits I feel bad when I get matched up against someone who just outright loses to my first push. Neither one of us had fun.
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