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On March 03 2015 04:19 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 04:14 Shtanjel wrote:Cool, hopefully I won't be matched with a former master who has apparently the same skill as a gold-league scrub (me) anymore  Hahahahaha, I played an unranked game for the first time in ages and as a former master, I felt really bad because of what a trounce it was. Definitely a problem.
Leagues in unranked ladder matter even less than leagues in regular ladder. The problem isn't whatever league icon someone has. The problem is if the system is improperly matching people's MMR, and by extension, trying to figure out a way to possibly deal with smurfs or people tanking their rating.
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Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.
Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.
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On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.
Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good.
This so much. Leagues will always create issues and shit. A pure number doesn't lie and is precise.
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And cheaters can cheat still who need good mmr when barcode cheater is in 1 from 3 games....
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Removing MMR decay is wonderful news for me as it means that team games are actually playable again.
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On March 03 2015 04:32 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.
Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good. This so much. Leagues will always create issues and shit. A pure number doesn't lie and is precise.
Additionally you could have separate Elo ratings for all the matchups.
My TvZ could be 2000, my TvT 1900 and my TvP 2100.
My PvT would be 1100 .
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On March 03 2015 04:32 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.
Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good. This so much. Leagues will always create issues and shit. A pure number doesn't lie and is precise.
my wet dream
i'd ladder just to look at those four numbers
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I'm not sure mmr decay has to totally go, but certainly be reduced, or capped at a lower total (you only get so much worse from not playing for a while)
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At last. I hope I get that masters icon again ^^
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On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.
Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.
quoted because it's pure common sense.
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On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.
Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.
I mean, this is basically what MMR is, no? It's just hidden. I don't really mind either way if it's hidden or not, I just want it to be accurate, and it sounds like they've potentially identified ways to make it more accurate.
Leagues are just a more visual/feel good way of measuring progress. Having just a number feels a lot more...clinical.
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On March 03 2015 05:22 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.
Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM. I mean, this is basically what MMR is, no? It's just hidden. I don't really mind either way if it's hidden or not, I just want it to be accurate, and it sounds like they've potentially identified ways to make it more accurate.
But why would you hid it?
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On March 03 2015 05:23 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 05:22 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.
Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM. I mean, this is basically what MMR is, no? It's just hidden. I don't really mind either way if it's hidden or not, I just want it to be accurate, and it sounds like they've potentially identified ways to make it more accurate. But why would you hid it?
Because in the end it doesn't matter what number/league/place you are, what matters is actually improving your play?
I mean, it doesn't bother me either way, but I can see why you would choose to hide the rating.
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On March 03 2015 05:33 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 05:23 OtherWorld wrote:On March 03 2015 05:22 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.
Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM. I mean, this is basically what MMR is, no? It's just hidden. I don't really mind either way if it's hidden or not, I just want it to be accurate, and it sounds like they've potentially identified ways to make it more accurate. But why would you hid it? Because in the end it doesn't matter what number/league/place you are, what matters is actually improving your play? I mean, it doesn't bother me either way, but I can see why you would choose to hide the rating.
Hmm yeah but having it showed would allow for, for example, more precise choices in practice partners.
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On March 03 2015 05:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
At last. I hope I get that masters icon again ^^
so many people will be dissapointed after the changes
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On March 03 2015 05:35 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 05:33 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 03 2015 05:23 OtherWorld wrote:On March 03 2015 05:22 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.
Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM. I mean, this is basically what MMR is, no? It's just hidden. I don't really mind either way if it's hidden or not, I just want it to be accurate, and it sounds like they've potentially identified ways to make it more accurate. But why would you hid it? Because in the end it doesn't matter what number/league/place you are, what matters is actually improving your play? I mean, it doesn't bother me either way, but I can see why you would choose to hide the rating. Hmm yeah but having it showed would allow for, for example, more precise choices in practice partners.
This is probably the single best reason I've ever heard in favor of showing the rating.
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I opened the stream of iNcontroL and i saw Diamond vs Grand Master.
Yeah. Things needs to be done.
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On March 03 2015 04:32 RHoudini wrote:
Just get rid of this whole league business.
I'd rather just have an Elo rating.
Much more transparent, much easier to understand.
Like in chess, 1400 is rather bad, 2000 is rather good, 2400 is very good, 2600 is GM.
ELO ranking system is much more fair and robust. I like this idea...
Seé ELO in Age of Empires, community ranking system: http://aoe3.jpcommunity.com/rating2/
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On March 03 2015 04:14 Shtanjel wrote:Cool, hopefully I won't be matched with a former master who has apparently the same skill as a gold-league scrub (me) anymore
Being a former master (though only skill-wise diamond atm) player in MMR decay pits I feel bad when I get matched up against someone who just outright loses to my first push. Neither one of us had fun.
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EPT
