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On February 13 2015 08:29 EmoryToss17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 08:01 Grizvok wrote:On February 13 2015 05:22 EmoryToss17 wrote:
I don't understand the complexity here. This should be absurdly simple to resolve. The Esports gambling websites have got to be losing tons of money based on these guys throwing off 'the spread' by making large bets and always winning. Someone just needs to get in contact with them and have them implement a rule where betting stops ~15 minutes before the start of each match. The gambling sites themselves have MORE incentive to stop this than the SC2 community does.
It's an easy win-win for everyone involved. Tournaments no longer have to worry about Observers having ulterior motives, and gambling sites stop losing money. Easy peasy. Or is there something I'm missing here?
Also, can you imagine how pissed one of these guys would've been if they were trying to make money by safe-betting MMA vs. Dark game 1? What you don't understand is that the scammer(s) are also the bookies or at least that is what TotalBiscuit iterated earlier on in this thread. I thought about this, but then why would they have shut down the betting on a few recent matches on suspicion of match fixing? Or is that a completely different situation, where the people who were supposedly running THAT scam are seperate from the people who are running this scam?
they closed the betting on that proleague match because the websites algorithm detected an unusual movement in the bets. this situation is about korean sponsors who are funding these small tourneys and pestering players so that they can control their illegal betting (pinnacle is legal, the other stuff isn't) to their advantage. two different situations.
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On February 13 2015 08:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 08:29 EmoryToss17 wrote:On February 13 2015 08:01 Grizvok wrote:On February 13 2015 05:22 EmoryToss17 wrote:
I don't understand the complexity here. This should be absurdly simple to resolve. The Esports gambling websites have got to be losing tons of money based on these guys throwing off 'the spread' by making large bets and always winning. Someone just needs to get in contact with them and have them implement a rule where betting stops ~15 minutes before the start of each match. The gambling sites themselves have MORE incentive to stop this than the SC2 community does.
It's an easy win-win for everyone involved. Tournaments no longer have to worry about Observers having ulterior motives, and gambling sites stop losing money. Easy peasy. Or is there something I'm missing here?
Also, can you imagine how pissed one of these guys would've been if they were trying to make money by safe-betting MMA vs. Dark game 1? What you don't understand is that the scammer(s) are also the bookies or at least that is what TotalBiscuit iterated earlier on in this thread. I thought about this, but then why would they have shut down the betting on a few recent matches on suspicion of match fixing? Or is that a completely different situation, where the people who were supposedly running THAT scam are seperate from the people who are running this scam? they closed the betting on that proleague match because the websites algorithm detected an unusual movement in the bets. this situation is about korean sponsors who are funding these small tourneys and pestering players so that they can control their illegal betting (pinnacle is legal, the other stuff isn't) to their advantage. two different situations.
Gotcha. I was confused as to how this could relate to proleague, but I guess I just assumed it was all the same because it was about gambling. Thanks for clearing that up.
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On February 13 2015 08:29 EmoryToss17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 08:01 Grizvok wrote:On February 13 2015 05:22 EmoryToss17 wrote:
I don't understand the complexity here. This should be absurdly simple to resolve. The Esports gambling websites have got to be losing tons of money based on these guys throwing off 'the spread' by making large bets and always winning. Someone just needs to get in contact with them and have them implement a rule where betting stops ~15 minutes before the start of each match. The gambling sites themselves have MORE incentive to stop this than the SC2 community does.
It's an easy win-win for everyone involved. Tournaments no longer have to worry about Observers having ulterior motives, and gambling sites stop losing money. Easy peasy. Or is there something I'm missing here?
Also, can you imagine how pissed one of these guys would've been if they were trying to make money by safe-betting MMA vs. Dark game 1? What you don't understand is that the scammer(s) are also the bookies or at least that is what TotalBiscuit iterated earlier on in this thread. I thought about this, but then why would they have shut down the betting on a few recent matches on suspicion of match fixing? Or is that a completely different situation, where the people who were supposedly running THAT scam are seperate from the people who are running this scam?
You are just confusing stuff:
The people who voided bets on certain matches where Pinnacle, a very large, well known and very trusted betting cooperation, that is not just some small backjard buisness. Their detections system told em that the bets on the voided matches where highly suspicious thus leading Pinnacle to void the bets to protect their customers. (Note a that large betting company allways makes money due to the way betting works, they dont care who wins. If you want more information about this, read the other thread. There are alot of guys who described the situation very well)
In THIS situation, we have possible illegal betters who use illegal betting plattforms. (Note, all betting in korea is illegal). These persons sponsor small online cups, save themself a oberserver positions and enforce a large delay (10mins) to gain enough intel to savebet certain matches. They do not bet on big websites or well known betting places, these guys bet on possible illegal betting plattforms, some even performed by emself.
So these "scammers" are not only totally different to the people the people who voided suspicious bets on suspicious matches, the voiding company was no where near being a scam.
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On February 13 2015 08:29 EmoryToss17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 08:01 Grizvok wrote:On February 13 2015 05:22 EmoryToss17 wrote:
I don't understand the complexity here. This should be absurdly simple to resolve. The Esports gambling websites have got to be losing tons of money based on these guys throwing off 'the spread' by making large bets and always winning. Someone just needs to get in contact with them and have them implement a rule where betting stops ~15 minutes before the start of each match. The gambling sites themselves have MORE incentive to stop this than the SC2 community does.
It's an easy win-win for everyone involved. Tournaments no longer have to worry about Observers having ulterior motives, and gambling sites stop losing money. Easy peasy. Or is there something I'm missing here?
Also, can you imagine how pissed one of these guys would've been if they were trying to make money by safe-betting MMA vs. Dark game 1? What you don't understand is that the scammer(s) are also the bookies or at least that is what TotalBiscuit iterated earlier on in this thread. I thought about this, but then why would they have shut down the betting on a few recent matches on suspicion of match fixing? Or is that a completely different situation, where the people who were supposedly running THAT scam are seperate from the people who are running this scam?
I honestly don't know much about the esports betting scene (it is actually hilarious to me that people bet on this) but I'm assuming there may be multiple websites to place bets on. I think the site Pinnacle that voided those bets a few weeks ago is probably legit in its dealings...I don't think they would come out with the information that they released regarding betting algorithms and would try to cooperate with Kespa if they knew about this scandal or about any other potential illegal bets. That's my opinion though. I just don't think it likely that the person involved with these illegal bets is trying to also fix matches...he was probably very comfortable with his betting scandal and didn't branch out. Personally I find the match fixing allegations to be sort of odd...a false positive on Pinnacles end.
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Germany913 Posts
Added statements of tournament organizers to the OP.
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The story is getting cold. If no further evidence or information is being released, I get the feeling things are going to be forgotten.
In fact, things forgotten seems to be a recurring theme in the SC2 scene, like promises to a young child that were never meant to be fulfilled (e.g. pizza anyone?)
I guess either this story is bigger than we could even realize, or Mr. Lewis takes his time with writing articles. At this point, it doesn't matter.
I am highly disappointed, in everything. Put down the pitchforks, and pick up the brooms everyone. Its time to start sweeping.
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Germany913 Posts
On February 17 2015 04:47 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
In fact, things forgotten seems to be a recurring theme in the SC2 scene, like promises to a young child that were never meant to be fulfilled (e.g. pizza anyone?)
I see what you did there 
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So are we still waiting for more information on these scandals? Like who was involved and what not?
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On February 19 2015 03:59 geokilla wrote:
So are we still waiting for more information on these scandals? Like who was involved and what not?
At this point I would assume it will just be swept under the rug like the San Dark incident
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On February 19 2015 05:07 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 03:59 geokilla wrote:
So are we still waiting for more information on these scandals? Like who was involved and what not? At this point I would assume it will just be swept under the rug like the San Dark incident
Meaning that both are a big deal but people like to ignore shit? Or you're being silly because nothing looked even slightly suspicious in San vs Dark.
I hope it's the latter.
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On February 19 2015 05:13 Mistakes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 05:07 Dodgin wrote:On February 19 2015 03:59 geokilla wrote:
So are we still waiting for more information on these scandals? Like who was involved and what not? At this point I would assume it will just be swept under the rug like the San Dark incident Meaning that both are a big deal but people like to ignore shit? Or you're being silly because nothing looked even slightly suspicious in San vs Dark. I hope it's the latter.
I never said San vs Dark was fixed, just that the incident was swept under the rug and no official comments were made.
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I wonder who the players are...
No one else interested in names? :o
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On February 19 2015 05:43 sharkie wrote:
I wonder who the players are...
No one else interested in names? :o
I'm interested, but It's probably not going to come out. Too much at risk for the accusers if they can't prove it.
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So what's happening with Richard Lewis' article? Is it coming, or?
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Well this whole thing started based on suspicion, not evidence. Without anything concrete, that goes beyond some tweets, this is really just the imagination of some influential sc2 personalities and that's all lol
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On February 19 2015 08:29 Deathstar wrote:
Well this whole thing started based on suspicion, not evidence. Without anything concrete, that goes beyond some tweets, this is really just the imagination of some influential sc2 personalities and that's all lol
Olivia sent the PROOFS to the guy from Daily Dot, not just random things.
Maybe Blizzard stopped them (they said it was more tha 6 months of investigation by Blizzard)
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I think the peculiarity of this event is that there is evidence of attempted illegal betting activity (MMA's facebook being the prime example) while there isn't much evidence of the actual stuff. We know that it's happening, but we don't know the extent of the activities nor apparently is there a way to pinpoint culprits (if there is, we on the spectating and gaming end don't have information on it).
We have a situation where we can raise a red flag, but we don't know who to give it to.
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On February 19 2015 07:23 Quakie wrote:
So what's happening with Richard Lewis' article? Is it coming, or?
Trademark soon.
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As one might imagine, thoroughness and accuracy are more important than speed in writing what is effectively an exposé.
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